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2014 Team Needs - Updates

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
My locks:

QB- Kap, and Gabbert
RB- Gore, Hunter, Lattimore
FB- Miller
WR- Boldin, Crabs, Patton, and Osgood
TE- Vernon and Vance
C- Kilgore
OG- Iupati, and Boone
OT- Staley, and Davis
DE- Justin, Ray Mac, and Tank
NT- Dorsey, and Ian
OLB- Aldon, Brooks, Lemonier, and Skuta
ILB- Willis, Bowman(PUP), and Wilhoite
CB- Cully and Brock
S- Reid, Bethea, and Spillman
ST- McDermott, Dawson, and Lee

Likely to make team.

RB James
OG Looney
OT Martin
ILB Moody
CB Wright
S Ventrone

I'll have a new report on how much we can have come September in cap room, coming up tomorrow or Wednesday.

Good list AB! Balanced and I can't find any folks I would add as locks. The only thing that could knock one of these guys off the list would be a high draft pick (like a true NT or a CB) who would make someone expendable.

I like Pasodoc's notion that Gabbert may be used as trade bait as well though.
^^^

And just to reiterate, of the 43 AB already ID'd as making the 53, we have monster competition already...even before the 6 picks in the top 100 and 11 picks overall. Now THIS is a deep roster:

Before we even consider how many 2014 draftees will make the 53, 46, etc. take a look at all these players who are expected to make huge jumps this year and compete for starting positions (by positions):

DB's:
Cox, Perrish - Will PC be this year's version of TB?
Cook, Chris - Will be competing for an outside CB position to back up Culliver/Brock/Wright and will also be a "press" CB which is a shift in philosophy for us
Morris, Darryl - Will be competing with a slot CB in this year's draft for a starting role
Wright, Eric - Already the #3 and will have a full off season to hit the ground running
Spillman, C.J. - An excellent ST but also may fit the "FS" role well which is important in today's game (vs. the SS role); SS and FS are interchangeable in our 3-4

DL:
Williams, Ian - Welcome back kid. Now you get to face a starting competition with Dorsey and split time with him
Dial, Quinton - Already got some field-time last year, will know the defense and can continue to grow under Tomsula this year. Let's watch the growth
Okoye, Lawrence - Expected to make a big jump this off season
Carradine, Tank - High expectations for this man and he's hungry
Jerod-Eddie, Tony - Played very well last year and may even push Dobbs off the roster
Dobbs, Demarcus - Tendered but may not even make the team with our depth!

LB:
Fleming, Darius (ILB?) - May be looked to move inside but came out of college as a pass rush specialist. And we haven't given up on him yet which says something, right?
Lemonier, Corey - Already a great start last year and will be expected to step up even more this year
Moody, Nick - The FO liked this kid and with Bowman out, he'll be leaned on heavily to step up this off season
Skuta, Dan - Is already our #3 OLB and very good ST and will only get better; can also play inside if needed
Wilhoite, Michael - Played well for Willis and now, we expect him to play great for Bowman esp. with a full off season to develop "knowing" he'll be the starter

QB:
Gabbert, Blaine - Will be expected to becoome a viable backup this year (trade bait?)

FB:
Debniak, Alex (Released)
- Was looking like the backup to Miller in the pre season until he got hurt and went on I.R. Watch this one closely! We needed a true backup FB badly last year

OL:
Martin, Jonathan
- Game on Snyder!
Kilgore, Daniel (2nd year/1st-year starter) - Already slated to be our starting C and compete with Looney
Looney, Joe - Played well at RG in spot-duty last year and is expected to make big strides. Iupati, look out!
Seymour, Ryan - Heard good things about this guy at the end of last year
Bykowski, Carter - Meh; dude looked horrible last off season and I doubt he'd beat out Marquardt and Martin and Snyder but don't underestimate growth
Marquardt, Luke - Already heard great things about his progress late last year; prototypical H/W/S

RB:
Hampton, Jewel - Love this guy; could surprise everyone while Lattimore gets his playing-game/legs back; will get lots of carries this off season again
Hunter, Kendall - Underused, as always
James, LaMichael - Underused, as always
Lattimore, Marcus - We all have big hopes for Marcus!

TE's:
Carrier, Derek - Same here; watch out Celek! We could have our next H-back, Delanie Walker
Celek, Garrett - Is going to have a heck of a time making the team this year
McDonald, Vance - Coaches already said they plan to incorporate him more into the passing game!

WR's:
Baldwin, Jon - Is expected to make big strides like Wright with a full off season and some experience in our system. This is his last shot but will have huge competition thanks to the draft/depth
Patton, Quinton - Man, is this guy hungry or what? Currently the #3 and may be worked into the slot more. If not, he'll have to work hard against a blue-chip X or Z WR

ST:
Schmidt, Colton (Andy had a poor year last year by his standards) - Will push Andy this year again
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 22, 2014 at 4:43 PM ]
^^^^
These last 2 posts really put into perspective how deep our roster is. Anyone who thinks "the window is closing" needs to read this.
The window is not closing for this team but IMO the roster is too deep at certain positions (RB) and not near deep enough at other positions. (CB,WR,OL). What bothers me is that we're shallow at the same positions season after season. Finally got some depth along the DL though.
Originally posted by NinerG94:
The window is not closing for this team but IMO the roster is too deep at certain positions (RB) and not near deep enough at other positions. (CB,WR,OL). What bothers me is that we're shallow at the same positions season after season. Finally got some depth along the DL though.

Yeah, I see the CB spot like our WR spot. We already have the starters there in Brock and Culliver. Wright and Morris (like Patton) have been developing for a year in our system/terminology and will have an entire off season to develop for the first time as potential starters or for increased playing time this year. And like the WR position, a rookie CB/WR is going to have a hell of a hard time unseating #2 & #3 Culliver/Wright (outside) or Morris (slot CB) and Patton as the #3.

Naturally, the OL is pretty set as well with Staley, Davis, Boone, Iupati and Kilgore. Marquardt. Martin, Snyder and Bykowski is going to be a fun battle to watch for a backup role and Looney/Seymour have also trained as a C/G all of last year and seem to be quality OL with lots of upside.

So going back to my original point, this is a draft where we can focus on "quality" over quantity. These 6 picks in the top 100 are going to have to be blue-chip players to unseat any of these players not only for the 53, but (active) 46 and actual playing time (this year).
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 25, 2014 at 9:18 AM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
do you think signing some cheap vet as backer or a corner will be done, if its done, after june first? i am thinking by then we would have had the draft, maybe a mini camp and the coaches would have a decent idea of what the team looks like? and will have a titch more money than we do now

Looking at the transaction history, Baalke will pick up a "meh" veteran DB FA signing around a month before the draft and another two or so after the draft. And at least one of them will really pay off big for us.

Here you go cciowa (here is one of these "meh" signings):

Matt Maiocco ‏@MaioccoCSN 34s 49ers and CB Perrish Cox have agreed to terms on one-year deal, source said.

Will PC become this year's TB?
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 25, 2014 at 10:10 AM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
do you think signing some cheap vet as backer or a corner will be done, if its done, after june first? i am thinking by then we would have had the draft, maybe a mini camp and the coaches would have a decent idea of what the team looks like? and will have a titch more money than we do now

Looking at the transaction history, Baalke will pick up a "meh" veteran DB FA signing around a month before the draft and another two or so after the draft. And at least one of them will really pay off big for us.

Here you go cciowa (here is one of these "meh" signings):

Matt Maiocco ‏@MaioccoCSN 34s 49ers and CB Perrish Cox have agreed to terms on one-year deal, source said.

Will PC become this year's TB?
sure am glad they did this. am glad they got him and never looked at bringing back rogers. he is a good fit with us on the field and in the locker room. with the kids we draft,, i think it will be really fun to see the competition in the secondary
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
do you think signing some cheap vet as backer or a corner will be done, if its done, after june first? i am thinking by then we would have had the draft, maybe a mini camp and the coaches would have a decent idea of what the team looks like? and will have a titch more money than we do now

Looking at the transaction history, Baalke will pick up a "meh" veteran DB FA signing around a month before the draft and another two or so after the draft. And at least one of them will really pay off big for us.

Here you go cciowa (here is one of these "meh" signings):

Matt Maiocco ‏@MaioccoCSN 34s 49ers and CB Perrish Cox have agreed to terms on one-year deal, source said.

Will PC become this year's TB?
sure am glad they did this. am glad they got him and never looked at bringing back rogers. he is a good fit with us on the field and in the locker room. with the kids we draft,, i think it will be really fun to see the competition in the secondary

He's only 27 years old too and the continuity of playing in OUR defense means he'll hit the ground running this year with a full off season...added competition with a chance to push for a nickle spot and more PT. Quality signing. Man, this CB battle is going to be fun to watch develop (like WR).
NC between your and AB's list of locks, it is pretty obvious this will be a different kind of draft for Trent, something he has not really done before...namely move up and be drafting for starters THIS YR, as virtually anyone else is going to be a useless pick if drafted to improve our depth. FA has been used to do that, and with our last two drafts, we really aren't in a position (IMO) to improve on depth. Ergo, I think it very possible trent uses every pick he can muster to make blockbuster moves into the top 10, then top 20, then top 25-30. He has never blown picks before to move us up dramatically, but doing anything else with the CBs, Ss, and WRs in first 3 rds, especially rd 1 in top 5-8, is where we will have to be to nail down a true shut down corner starter, S, WR. But as noted before, I can see him go CB CB with first two picks and I could see him get one in top 8 and the other in top 15, and another pick in in top 20. Remember, for the teams drafting high, we can dangle Gabbert as part of the move up switch with another team.

Looking at your list and ABs locks, drafting backups will be like throwing the pick away. I also see a potential bunch of these picks esp, late ones, bundled into a 3rd, maybe even a 2nd for next yr, ie, 4 late picks for a 2015 3rd. Otherwise, how does Trent justify drafting for depth, when we already have it across the board...except CB, WR, S, QB...and I am serious about Gabbert being part of our draft plan.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
NC between your and AB's list of locks, it is pretty obvious this will be a different kind of draft for Trent, something he has not really done before...namely move up and be drafting for starters THIS YR, as virtually anyone else is going to be a useless pick if drafted to improve our depth. FA has been used to do that, and with our last two drafts, we really aren't in a position (IMO) to improve on depth. Ergo, I think it very possible trent uses every pick he can muster to make blockbuster moves into the top 10, then top 20, then top 25-30. He has never blown picks before to move us up dramatically, but doing anything else with the CBs, Ss, and WRs in first 3 rds, especially rd 1 in top 5-8, is where we will have to be to nail down a true shut down corner starter, S, WR. But as noted before, I can see him go CB CB with first two picks and I could see him get one in top 8 and the other in top 15, and another pick in in top 20. Remember, for the teams drafting high, we can dangle Gabbert as part of the move up switch with another team.

Looking at your list and ABs locks, drafting backups will be like throwing the pick away. I also see a potential bunch of these picks esp, late ones, bundled into a 3rd, maybe even a 2nd for next yr, ie, 4 late picks for a 2015 3rd. Otherwise, how does Trent justify drafting for depth, when we already have it across the board...except CB, WR, S, QB...and I am serious about Gabbert being part of our draft plan.

Yeah, no doubt with 6 picks within the first 100 is ideal. And no doubt, we'll see some focus on "quality" this year (like the Reid pick last year). That said, given how many teams nabbed CB's and WR's in FA, we could also stay pat as well. Many great CB's and WR's are going to fall to us. In fact, unless we're trading up for Gilbert or Evans, the only position we'd need to move to is for a top S to groom as a starter in two years. My guess is we'll see one trade up, one or two trade backs (for picks next year) and most staying pat. And you're right, it's going to be very difficult to make this team esp. with so many first or second-year players coming into the mix and getting real snaps (healthy) or taking that next big step in development in year 2. Baalke is going to have fun this draft...most players he wants he can get by just staying pat thanks to the moves made in FA and the depth at the 2 positions we need in CB & WR!

PS: Harbaugh needs a year to develop Gabbert before consider using him as trade-bait. Then again, while I think we may have tried with Haralson, I doubt we use a player as part of a trade-package for a draft pick. But I'm all for it if it works.
Originally posted by NinerG94:
The window is not closing for this team but IMO the roster is too deep at certain positions (RB) and not near deep enough at other positions. (CB,WR,OL). What bothers me is that we're shallow at the same positions season after season. Finally got some depth along the DL though.

Always the case with the 53 roster limit! Aggravating but is what it is. I agree about the fierce competition at DL and the lack thereof at OL, WR, and CB...though we may be pleasantly surprised. Also, we must consider the number of injuries that crop up every year...depth can disappear in a flash.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
NC between your and AB's list of locks, it is pretty obvious this will be a different kind of draft for Trent, something he has not really done before...namely move up and be drafting for starters THIS YR, as virtually anyone else is going to be a useless pick if drafted to improve our depth. FA has been used to do that, and with our last two drafts, we really aren't in a position (IMO) to improve on depth. Ergo, I think it very possible trent uses every pick he can muster to make blockbuster moves into the top 10, then top 20, then top 25-30. He has never blown picks before to move us up dramatically, but doing anything else with the CBs, Ss, and WRs in first 3 rds, especially rd 1 in top 5-8, is where we will have to be to nail down a true shut down corner starter, S, WR. But as noted before, I can see him go CB CB with first two picks and I could see him get one in top 8 and the other in top 15, and another pick in in top 20. Remember, for the teams drafting high, we can dangle Gabbert as part of the move up switch with another team.

Looking at your list and ABs locks, drafting backups will be like throwing the pick away. I also see a potential bunch of these picks esp, late ones, bundled into a 3rd, maybe even a 2nd for next yr, ie, 4 late picks for a 2015 3rd. Otherwise, how does Trent justify drafting for depth, when we already have it across the board...except CB, WR, S, QB...and I am serious about Gabbert being part of our draft plan.

Yeah, no doubt with 6 picks within the first 100 is ideal. And no doubt, we'll see some focus on "quality" this year (like the Reid pick last year). That said, given how many teams nabbed CB's and WR's in FA, we could also stay pat as well. Many great CB's and WR's are going to fall to us. In fact, unless we're trading up for Gilbert or Evans, the only position we'd need to move to is for a top S to groom as a starter in two years. My guess is we'll see one trade up, one or two trade backs (for picks next year) and most staying pat. And you're right, it's going to be very difficult to make this team esp. with so many first or second-year players coming into the mix and getting real snaps (healthy) or taking that next big step in development in year 2. Baalke is going to have fun this draft...most players he wants he can get by just staying pat thanks to the moves made in FA and the depth at the 2 positions we need in CB & WR!

PS: Harbaugh needs a year to develop Gabbert before consider using him as trade-bait. Then again, while I think we may have tried with Haralson, I doubt we use a player as part of a trade-package for a draft pick. But I'm all for it if it works.

I thought they would trade up a lot last year for fewer, better picks but they did much less of that than I had thought possible...still, they managed to bring in a ton of really good players--Reid, McDonald, Patton, and Lemonier all demonstrated that they belong in the NFL. Moody, Dial and Morris (UFA) showed enough to encourage a view of bright futures. Carradine and Lattimore may be better than any of these other guys once healthy. I didn't see that many spots open last year...but with injuries and whatnot, they are still here.

Now add six guys in the top 3 rounds? I plan to leave my TV off when cut down day comes this year because I will not want to watch other teams scavaging our waiver list.
As he had in the past, Harbaugh spoke highly of receiver Quinton Patton and noted that the then rookie made an impact last season despite dealing with a broken finger in training camp and then a broken foot that cost him eight games during the season. But Harbaugh also made it clear that the team is looking to augment the position and give Colin Kaepernick a better No. 3 option. He said Kaepernick's inability to spread the ball around, especially early last season, was largely due to his receiving corps.

What's he looking for? "A No. 3 receiver, a third guy that can get open, make plays, another option for the quarterback


Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/03/harbaugh-notes-coach-to-scout-qbs-fales-carr-says-49ers-seeking-no-3-wr.html#storylink=cpy
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Always the case with the 53 roster limit! Aggravating but is what it is. I agree about the fierce competition at DL and the lack thereof at OL, WR, and CB...though we may be pleasantly surprised. Also, we must consider the number of injuries that crop up every year...depth can disappear in a flash.


I thought they would trade up a lot last year for fewer, better picks but they did much less of that than I had thought possible...still, they managed to bring in a ton of really good players--Reid, McDonald, Patton, and Lemonier all demonstrated that they belong in the NFL. Moody, Dial and Morris (UFA) showed enough to encourage a view of bright futures. Carradine and Lattimore may be better than any of these other guys once healthy. I didn't see that many spots open last year...but with injuries and whatnot, they are still here.

Now add six guys in the top 3 rounds? I plan to leave my TV off when cut down day comes this year because I will not want to watch other teams scavaging our waiver list.
Seriously. Last year was my last year of having my dark horse players make the roster (and being right). This year, I don't think they'll have a chance.
Originally posted by 49er_Rider:
As he had in the past, Harbaugh spoke highly of receiver Quinton Patton and noted that the then rookie made an impact last season despite dealing with a broken finger in training camp and then a broken foot that cost him eight games during the season. But Harbaugh also made it clear that the team is looking to augment the position and give Colin Kaepernick a better No. 3 option. He said Kaepernick's inability to spread the ball around, especially early last season, was largely due to his receiving corps.

What's he looking for? "A No. 3 receiver, a third guy that can get open, make plays, another option for the quarterback


Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/03/harbaugh-notes-coach-to-scout-qbs-fales-carr-says-49ers-seeking-no-3-wr.html#storylink=cpy

Given we only run 3 WR sets 20% of the time (lowest in the NFL), whoever this #3 is, he's going to have to be VERY special to take McDonald or VD (or both) and an outlet off the field like Miller or Hunter/James. Or we'll see a big shift in offensive philosophy which I highly doubt.
I figured as such...who's out there as a cheaper, older wiley FA veteran:

The 49ers are interested in adding a bargain free agent for depth, the source said. It is not known if the 49ers have engaged in any talks with free agents. And the club could also look to add depth at inside linebacker in the May 8-10 draft.

Outside linebacker Ahmad Brooks saw some action at inside linebacker in goal-line situations at inside linebacker in the playoff game against the Carolina Panthers, but 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh said there has not been much thought about moving him inside while Bowman is out of action.

"He's an outside guy," Harbaugh said.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/bowman-rehabs-49ers-look-add-linebacker-depth