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What talent have the 49ers really added in the past couple years?

Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Our biggest problem with developing young receivers is Kapernick. Kap doesn't look to get our young receivers the ball. Kapernick stares down and force the ball to certain receivers. With Harbaugh being a former QB I can't believe he put up with this from Kap.

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I've made this argument in other places .....

It's not a talent issue.

Here's an example; Seattle took someone we deemed couldn't even crack the 4th WR and made him an effective starter and WON a Super Bowl with a bunch of no-name receivers. The whole "we need more talent to win" is IMHO, settled as our rivals hoist the Lombardi. It's just too obvious. And we're saying next year will be better because we have Lattimore? Come on guys. Even Gore in his prime didn't take over games against really good opponents ALONE. This offense has taken a huge step back and hasn't evolved. You can't expect to run the same thing every year and not think the rest of the NFL is going to catch up - and I'm talking about the RUNNING GAME.

You have an incredible personnel GM stocking this roster with talent, drafting BPA but it doesn't matter if you're trying to stick those players in schemes that either limits their opportunities or doesn't help them develop. I hope Harbaugh watched the Super Bowl so he can see how our rivals are winning. If we start next season with the same 'ol approach, it would have been the most squandered chances of attaining a Super Bowl by a team in quite some time. It takes a VERY long time to create the type of roster we have. There IS a window folks and I think it's open for 1 maybe 2 seasons more.
They've gotten almost 0 contributions (minus Reid) from the last 2 drafts, which is incredibly hard to do. People overrate the talent on this team - it's a very talented team, but there are plenty of spots for players to contribute.
Originally posted by Touchdown49ers2014:
Interesting fact:

Chris Culliver picked by San Francisco 49ers in third round of 2011 draft

Richard Sherman drafted by Seattle Seahawks in fifth round of 2011 draft
This illustrates how the draft is somewhat of a crapshoot.

If Seattle thought so highly of Sherman, why would they wait until the 5th round the draft him? They obviously thought he had potential, but if they thought it was one-of-the-best-corners-in-football talented, you think they'd risk waiting until the 5th to pick him up?

Hindsight is 20/20.
Two cents -

The draft is one of two avenues to add talent. When I look at team changes as a whole (free agency) I'd say the 49ers have done well. Laminer, Skuta, Whitner, Rogers (1st year)....... have been solid additions.

Teams are not built just through the draft (80's mentality). I believe the 49ers have done quite well with adding new talent, better than the majority of other teams. But, when your team is fielded by a lot of good players, you're not going to see the type of draft impact you'ed expect from a lower tier team.

My expectation for next year is to see a couple of guys from last years draft play semi regularly with a peppering of free agent additions doing the same.
Originally posted by dhp318:
They've gotten almost 0 contributions (minus Reid) from the last 2 drafts, which is incredibly hard to do. People overrate the talent on this team - it's a very talented team, but there are plenty of spots for players to contribute.
Usually a drafted player should be evaluated after two years as a starter at the earliest...now, you come along and want to judge the last year's draft and the one before???
as a side note: we found a starting FS last year who replaced Goldson without any quality loss.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
You saw Ricardo Lockette who was in TC and preseason with US. He supposedly couldn't crack the starting lineup in SF.

Huh? He caught 5 balls all year for Seattle, bringing his career total to a whopping 7 receptions.
Originally posted by Geeked:
Teams are not built just through the draft (80's mentality). I believe the 49ers have done quite well with adding new talent, better than the majority of other teams. But, when your team is fielded by a lot of good players, you're not going to see the type of draft impact you'ed expect from a lower tier team.
Very good post, imo.

Just for the guys who don't understand what Geeked just said:
we have high quality almost all over the field. If you want to get an upgrade at any of these positions, you have to draft in the top10-15 in general.
Originally posted by OrlandoNiner:
A good point especially on the free agency front.

I think it just speaks to the lack of killer instinct of this coaching/management staff. Seattle is out there filling in the pieces with both draft picks and taking chances on big free agents, and it got them a championship. Kind of like how they played 100% through the 4th quarter in this game and were putting up big points. Meanwhile we play it cheap, kick field goals all the time, and get conservative the moment we get a lead.

I think we have to admit it - the Seahawks manned up and had the killer instinct, we did not. They now have a ring for it and we're just "good" but not "good enough." We need to step it up unless we want to be the Eagles of this decade. Draft picks and playing it cheap will keep us competitive for a long time, but it won't get us rings. Especially not now that Seattle is one of the youngest teams in the NFL and could be a pending dynasty.

One thing you fail to mention is that Seattle cashed in when their core players are making less than 1 million each. Wilson is going to command top dollar and so will Sherman since he is the best corner in the game right now. They have a little window of opportunity but once these guys get new contracts, they are going to lose a few of their key players. That's what makes building a dynasty so tough nowadays.
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Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by Geeked:
Teams are not built just through the draft (80's mentality). I believe the 49ers have done quite well with adding new talent, better than the majority of other teams. But, when your team is fielded by a lot of good players, you're not going to see the type of draft impact you'ed expect from a lower tier team.
Very good post, imo.

Just for the guys who don't understand what Geeked just said:
we have high quality almost all over the field. If you want to get an upgrade at any of these positions, you have to draft in the top10-15 in general.


I agree and disagree with this. It's certainly true for some position groups, but I look at the AJ Jenkins pick (and I had high hopes for him right up to the point he was traded), his trade counterpart Baldwin and our starting Cornerbacks. I also think the same of our Oline - Kilgore had a good pre-season and then was dropped for Goodwin who has been inconsistent all year. I am not sure it's been worth playing Snyder as backup guard rather than Looney either. Has Celek really justified his spot as 3rd TE over Carrier? We've literally run Gore into the ground this year and barely used Hunter or LMJ.

I think sometimes the coaches put too much faith in experience of the likes of Rogers, Snyder, Goodwin or Williams when we would have been better off getting experience for our younger draft guys. Look at Marcus Cooper for KC for example, or how many guys were raided from our practice squad to go onto the rosters of other teams.

We don't really know what we have in a lot of the young players we've drafted and can only hope the coaches do, but we there is that risk that we stunt development by not exposing/playing them.

I concede though that there could be a good development plan in place that we start to see the gains of this year. What will tell me how the coaches think is the play time we see McDonald, Tank, Patton and Lattimore getting. If they barely play any snaps or are seldom used/targetted I will have my doubts that the coaches can develop players.
[ Edited by Buchy on Feb 3, 2014 at 8:22 AM ]
Aside from a franchise qb, sack machine, pro bowl safety and a solid long snapper for the next 15 years I guess nothing. They should all be fired and we can start over. I heard jim hostler is available.
Originally posted by Buchy:
I think sometimes the coaches put too much faith in experience of the likes of Rogers, Snyder, Goodwin or Williams when we would have been better off getting experience for our younger draft guys. Look at Marcus Cooper for KC for example, or how many guys were raided from our practice squad to go onto the rosters of other teams.
Sorry but I have to throw up every time I read something about youngster over experience. Same sh... I have to read on soccer boards. This is not the playstation.

IF you are a title contender, you cannot afford to let start inexperienced youngsters just for their development. you play to win and you usually know what you can expect of a veteran because his up- and downside limits are already known and usually close to each other.
Contrary to that, a rookie could play lights out or crap completely up (Cully at SB).

Experience is so damn underrated whereas the huge variance in a rookie performance is simply not on the radar of a lot of people.
This is how good teams operate.

People complain because younger players aren't contributing...but they aren't contributing because its a good team. Right now, how many positions on the field would be upgraded greatly by a draft pick? WR? Maybe? CB?

When there aren't open spots there isn't alot of opportunity.

When the 49ers HAVE looked to upgrade at a particular position, they have mostly been successful.

O-Line? Lets double dip in 1st round for Davis and Iupati (prior to Harbaugh, but it was Baalke doing the drafting). That worked out. Spikes getting old? Lets go get his replacement in round 3....Navorro Bowman. We really need a pass rusher? Lets draft a guy who is #1 all time in sacks per game. QB? We'll wait till round 2 and take a guy who might be the most physically gifted player at that position in the NFL.

While were at it, lets take an excelent change of pace back (Hunter), future starters at corner and center (Culliver and Kilgore), and a starting FB (Miller).

I think we can agree that 2012 wasn't a great year drafting for the 49ers, but people forget they raded a number of picks for picks in 2013. Still, there are decent players in that 2012 draft in LMJ and Joe Looney.

Oh crap. We lost out Pro Bowl Safety. Whatever will we do? Oh...lets just select a guy in the first round who is BETTER than his predecessor and making about a quarter as much. While we're at it, lets take possible replacements for Justin Smith and Frank Gore much later than they would be selected otherwise because they are injured and we don't need them right away anyway. Lets also take on of the most physically gifted TEs in the draft and teach him how to black in his rookie year.

Free Agents? Are you kidding? The 49ers have made stars out of players nobody else wanted in Free Agency. Small contracts, bit play. Some of those guys didn't work out, but they were on minimim contracts anyway.

Whitner. Rogers. Dorsey. Moss. Goodwin. All had an impact with very small salaries.

Sure, you can say they got nothing with Braylon Edwards, Nnamdi, and a few otheres....but they also risked NOTHING to get those guys.
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How can anyone say teams arent built thru the draft? And how can you really say you need a top 10 pick to make an impact? Look at all the defense starters Seattle drafted in the late rounds:

Kam Chancellor 5th round pick
Richard Serman 5th round pick
Walter Thurmond 4th round pick
KJ Wright 4th round pick
Malcolm Smith 7th round pick
Byron Maxwell 6th round pick


it's all about drafting players with certain skillset and intangibles that can be coached up to fit your system.
[ Edited by pfizz on Feb 3, 2014 at 8:59 AM ]
Originally posted by pfizz:
How can anyone say teams arent built thru the draft? And how can you really say you need a top 10 pick to make an impact? Look at all the defense starters Seattle drafted in the late rounds:

Kam Chancellor 5th round pick
Richard Serman 5th round pick
Walter Thurmond 4th round pick
KJ Wright 4th round pick
Malcolm Smith 7th round pick
Byron Maxwell 6th round pick


it's all about drafting players with certain skillset and intangibles that can be coached up to fit your system.
I said that if you want to upgrade any starter position, you have to look at the top10 of the draft because almost every starter is of very high quality.

that's true imo.
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