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What talent have the 49ers really added in the past couple years?

Outside of Kap, Aldon Smith, Reid and Boldin what have they added thats made a big impact in the past few years?

Seems like they wasted a lot of draft picks and signed a lot of players like Moss and Manningham that did nothing.

I mean if you look at the Niners D for example, seems like most of the good core players (Willis, Bowman, Brooks, Whitner) arent they all products of the McCloughan, Mike Nolan and Singletary regime?

So who really should get credit for the Niners defense? McCloughan, Nolan, Singletary or Baalke, Harbaugh and Fangio???
They missed a lot in recent years IMO. Most of the talent was SEVERAL years ago.


BUT......... This is what happens to a MATURE TEAM. We are better now and we pick much, much later. We used to pick in the top 10 many years. That's how you get Aldon Smith and Vernon Davis and Crabtree. Top 10 guys. We don't pick that high anymore. There is less talent very late in the 1st round. You have to get a little lucky. And we haven't lately. Or trade way up which gives up tons of picks.
49ers have drafted talent. Its just that they don't know how to use the talent they drafted. Its always Gore, Crabs and now Boldin. Our coaches have failed miserably of introducing our young guys into the gameplane and impactfulness. They never gave AJJ a shot (even though I believe he sucks). And now Baldwin wasn't given a fair shot alongside LMJ and Vance Macdonald. And Tank (I hated the pick that early) was drafted hurt and may never be what they thought he'd be. I think its Roman's fault on offense and Baalke's fault.
Recruiting talent and having talent are completely different from utilizing talent.
We are getting more from the group than those guys ever could. Notice Dingleberry and 'no clue' Nolan are not HC's anywhere else?
Kudos goes to Harbaugh. But McCloughan's fingerprints are all over this team. He knew what he was doing.
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
49ers have drafted talent. Its just that they don't know how to use the talent they drafted. Its always Gore, Crabs and now Boldin. Our coaches have failed miserably of introducing our young guys into the gameplane and impactfulness. They never gave AJJ a shot (even though I believe he sucks). And now Baldwin wasn't given a fair shot alongside LMJ and Vance Macdonald. And Tank (I hated the pick that early) was drafted hurt and may never be what they thought he'd be. I think its Roman's fault on offense and Baalke's fault.

You saw Ricardo Lockette who was in TC and preseason with US. He supposedly couldn't crack the starting lineup in SF.
Originally posted by Touchdown49ers2014:
Outside of Kap, Aldon Smith, Reid and Boldin what have they added thats made a big impact in the past few years?

Seems like they wasted a lot of draft picks and signed a lot of players like Moss and Manningham that did nothing.

I mean if you look at the Niners D for example, seems like most of the good core players (Willis, Bowman, Brooks, Whitner) arent they all products of the McCloughan, Mike Nolan and Singletary regime?

So who really should get credit for the Niners defense? McCloughan, Nolan, Singletary or Baalke, Harbaugh and Fangio???

A good point especially on the free agency front.

I think it just speaks to the lack of killer instinct of this coaching/management staff. Seattle is out there filling in the pieces with both draft picks and taking chances on big free agents, and it got them a championship. Kind of like how they played 100% through the 4th quarter in this game and were putting up big points. Meanwhile we play it cheap, kick field goals all the time, and get conservative the moment we get a lead.

I think we have to admit it - the Seahawks manned up and had the killer instinct, we did not. They now have a ring for it and we're just "good" but not "good enough." We need to step it up unless we want to be the Eagles of this decade. Draft picks and playing it cheap will keep us competitive for a long time, but it won't get us rings. Especially not now that Seattle is one of the youngest teams in the NFL and could be a pending dynasty.
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Nolan should get credit for this Defense.He pretty built it with Mccloughan.He was just in over his head with coaching duties which is where Harbaugh excels
Originally posted by Touchdown49ers2014:
Outside of Kap, Aldon Smith, Reid and Boldin what have they added thats made a big impact in the past few years?

Seems like they wasted a lot of draft picks and signed a lot of players like Moss and Manningham that did nothing.

I mean if you look at the Niners D for example, seems like most of the good core players (Willis, Bowman, Brooks, Whitner) arent they all products of the McCloughan, Mike Nolan and Singletary regime?

So who really should get credit for the Niners defense? McCloughan, Nolan, Singletary or Baalke, Harbaugh and Fangio???

woah there buckaroo

if you inherit a team wtih good defensive players you dont have to add a lot lol

Harbaugh added Whitner, by the way. I'd say Dorsey was an improvement, maybe not an impact player though, so there's that.

Even if harb didnt add people, the defense definitely got better once his planning took over. please dont tell me youre actually suggesting that the singletary, nolan etc years of coaching were better.
We're doing a good job bringing in talent recently. 2012 was a complete waste, but 2010 and 2011 were incredible. 2013 brought us Eric Reid. We're fine.
Originally posted by OrlandoNiner:
Originally posted by Touchdown49ers2014:
Outside of Kap, Aldon Smith, Reid and Boldin what have they added thats made a big impact in the past few years?

Seems like they wasted a lot of draft picks and signed a lot of players like Moss and Manningham that did nothing.

I mean if you look at the Niners D for example, seems like most of the good core players (Willis, Bowman, Brooks, Whitner) arent they all products of the McCloughan, Mike Nolan and Singletary regime?

So who really should get credit for the Niners defense? McCloughan, Nolan, Singletary or Baalke, Harbaugh and Fangio???

A good point especially on the free agency front.

I think it just speaks to the lack of killer instinct of this coaching/management staff. Seattle is out there filling in the pieces with both draft picks and taking chances on big free agents, and it got them a championship. Kind of like how they played 100% through the 4th quarter in this game and were putting up big points. Meanwhile we play it cheap, kick field goals all the time, and get conservative the moment we get a lead.

I think we have to admit it - the Seahawks manned up and had the killer instinct, we did not. They now have a ring for it and we're just "good" but not "good enough." We need to step it up unless we want to be the Eagles of this decade. Draft picks and playing it cheap will keep us competitive for a long time, but it won't get us rings. Especially not now that Seattle is one of the youngest teams in the NFL and could be a pending dynasty.

We kind of are the Eagles. You realize we went to 3 NFC Championship games already and came away with NOTHING. They went to 4 of them and came away with nothing. Like us they slid through to the Super Bowl once. And get nothing there either. We are the Eagles.
Lol @ this question. Aldon is a premiere pass rusher, Kap is a franchise QB, Reid stepped on the field and became a pro bowler immediately, and Boldin was the only reason we had any kind of passing game all year.

Let's not forget about Glenn Dorsey, Bruce Miller, Kendall Hunter, and Chris Culliver. Miller, Hunter, and Culliver were big time players in our success over the past few years. Unfortunately, injuries side tracked all three. Dorsey was HUGE this year after Ian Williams went down.

Also an honorable mention goes to Vance McDonald and Quentin Patton. For a team that does not feature rookie players on offense, they both showed flashes that they will have strong futures. We never thought we would be able to replace Delanie in the run game, and McDonald stepped up. Now we just need him to be used in the passing game. Patton got hurt this year, but the guy basically got Kyle Williams and AJ Jenkins off the team (positives in my book)

Four new starters (including 2 pro bowlers), 4 solid role players, and a few young and promising guys who contributed right away. There are about 30 teams in the league that would love what the Niners have done, and that doesn't even include the guys like Tank, Dial, Lattimore, and Ian Williams seeing the field. They all might flop, but they could also eventually take over and become starters.
[ Edited by TheRatMan13 on Feb 2, 2014 at 8:54 PM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We kind of are the Eagles. You realize we went to 3 NFC Championship games already and came away with NOTHING. They went to 4 of them and came away with nothing. Like us they slid through to the Super Bowl once. And get nothing there either. We are the Eagles.

At this point, yes. But there is still much history yet to be written. Our run is not over yet.
Kap
Aldon Smith
Reid
Boldin
Carlos Rogers
Culliver
Hunter
Miller
Dorsey
Ian Williams
Lemonier
Brooks (became a starter)
Ray McDonald (became a starter)
Brock (became a starter)
Brown (became a starter)
Boone (became a starter)
Bowman (became a starter)

Plus:
Lattimore
Carradine


So that's 19 players, that are either starters or major contributors / future contributors to our team, found in the last three years.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We kind of are the Eagles. You realize we went to 3 NFC Championship games already and came away with NOTHING. They went to 4 of them and came away with nothing. Like us they slid through to the Super Bowl once. And get nothing there either. We are the Eagles.


And you are the cuckoo.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We kind of are the Eagles. You realize we went to 3 NFC Championship games already and came away with NOTHING. They went to 4 of them and came away with nothing. Like us they slid through to the Super Bowl once. And get nothing there either. We are the Eagles.

Very true, but the good news is we still have a 2 year window if this team chooses to take advantage of it.

The Eagles had a few years left too, but lost out on that after McNabb went down in 2005 with the broken leg; he was never the same again and the team became even more conservative in its approach than it already was. So they basically just floated around for 3-4 more years until the floor gave out in 2009.

That's us if we don't decide to wake the hell up and get that killer instinct. We can either be good enough to get ticket sales and primetime games here and there, or we can be good enough to win a championship now, even at the cost of losing out on as long of a "run" as far as having a good record goes. Eagles or Seahawks. The team must choose.
[ Edited by OrlandoNiner on Feb 2, 2014 at 8:56 PM ]