Originally posted by crake49:
"QB: Steve Young-If you look past the whole "clutch" hype, Young was the better QB, and it's not even debatable. When you're picking your QB, you're looking for the top guy to run a great offense, not some legend of, "hey, he mentioned John Candy in the stands and led a game winning SB drive." You have to GET to the SB first. Young was held back from more rings by flawed 49ers teams in the 90s."
When you start with a half-baked take like this, it's hard to take anything else you lay out seriously. Clutch is not hype. Clutch is clutch. You only get called that when you win games in the clutch. It's not some mystical concept. Young's arm was a bit stronger and he was a faster runner. But, for most of his career, he really wasn't at Montana's level in terms of seeing the field, staying calm in the pocket, finding receivers and understanding defenses. You ridicule Garcia's "happy feet." I've got news for you - Young had a huge case of "happy feet" for the first 7 or 8 years he was on the team. People around here would have been slamming Young all through the 91, 92 and 93 season. And, those teams were not "flawed." They featured powerful run defenses, real good secondaries, great receivers, real good running backs and a Hall of Fame QB.
You have absolutely, utterly, NO CLUE what you are talking about.
Young was better in every single statistical category than Montana. He is the most accurate QB to ever play professional football. His intermediate and deep ball is as good as you will ever see. He was a "pass maker." In terms of passing talent, he effortlessly made the types of throws other QBs strain themselves trying and failing to make, effortlessly putting it in the perfect spot for the completion.
Montana's "clutchness" would not have been a factor if he hadn't usually been part of the reason his teams were behind in the first place. The 49ers had scored just 13 points against a mediocre Bengals defense in Super Bowl XXIII. He also required Louis Billiups to drop an INT in order to find Jerry Rice for his first TD pass of the game.
Young wasn't lacking in the ability to be clutch himself. His throw to Owens in the 99 wild card game was better than any throw Montana ever made in his entire career. Watch that throw again. There are FIVE guys in the vicinity of the throw...Young's throw was the only way that pass could ever be completed. Brett Fave's reaction to it was, "you have GOT to be kidding me. They've got the only guy in the game who could make that pass other than me."
It's not Young's fault the 1993 and 1998 defenses were terrible. It's not Young's fault the 1995 team's top ranked defense was shredded by Favre, and that he had only one healthy weapon on offense (Rice). It's not Young's fault Grbac lost the 96 wildcard game to the Packers.
Young can take some of the blame in 1992 and 1997, but 1992 was a team loss based on key mistakes against one of the greatest teams of all-time, the 1992 Cowboys, and 1997 was an offense ultimately lacking in weapons with a rusty Hearst unable to get anything going on the ground coming back from the collarbone injury and a young Terrell Owens being the only real weapon in the passing game (Brent Jones was playing his final game and was badly beat up, and J.J. Stokes was a mediocre WR).
Young most certainly did NOT have happy feet. Jesus Christ...you don't know what happy feet are. Young had perfect pocket mechanics. In his younger years he had a tendency to try to do too much himself and would run rather than going through his progressions. That's not happy feet - happy feet is when you don't set your feet and have no pocket presence, creating pressure that isn't there and sacking yourself/getting yourself hit.
THIS is happy feet: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/jorvin/garciaskittish_0001.wmv
Young from 1992-1998 was as good as any QB to have played the game...at least in the last 35 years.
And I love how you again show your lack of knowledge in insisting those teams weren't flawed.
The 1991 49ers had multiple players hurt, including Steve Young missing several games himself.
The 1992 49ers' secondary was Eric Davis when he was one of the worst corners in football, Dave Whittmore, and atrocious first round bust Dana Hall. There's a reason Alvin Harper is coasting to the end of the 49ers' chances at the end of the NFCC game...I'd go back and watch if you need a reminder.
The 1993 49ers' defense was just terrible as a whole. They couldn't stop Dallas if their lives depended on it. Michael Carter had retired. Kevan f*gan's career was over after the back injury. Pierce Holt was in Atlanta. Keena Turner had long since retired. Charles Haley was on the other sideline. Matt Millen was long retired. Jeff Fuller and Chet Brooks were retired. Ronnie Lott, overrated though he was, was on the Jets. A young Merton Hanks was the only bright spot on that defense.
The 1995 49ers' defense was excellent during the regular season, but Favre cut through them like a hot knife through butter in the postseason. Again, go back and watch the game. They had ZERO running game - Derek Loville and Adam Walker were the backfield. Brent Jones was playing with torn ligaments in his knee...had popped on a knee brace. John Taylor was playing his final game and was beat up and ineffective. J.J. Stokes was a bust.
The 1996 49ers...Young played only one series against GB before it became clear the rib injury he'd suffered against the Eagles was too much. Grbac came in and the 49ers lost.
The 1997 49ers...Hearst coming off a collarbone injury, no Rice, Owens still young, Stokes is still mediocre, Jones is playing his last game and beat up.
The 1998 49ers...horrible defense. Secondary was a revolving door at corner, linebackers were washed up, Winfred Tubbs was a terrible fit for the scheme, Gabe Wilkins...LOL! Bryant Young was out with a broken leg. Junior Bryant and Gabe Wilkins were the tackles.
So yes, FLAWED. F-L-A-W-E-D.