QB: Nate Davis, Trent Dilfer
RB: Brandon Jacobs, Thomas Clayton (Webzone 2008 Preseason 4th Qtr MVP)
FB: Zak Keasey, Moran Norris
TE: Vance McDonald, Billy Bajema
WR: Kyle Williams, Ashley Lelie, Jon Baldwin
WR: Jason Hill, Dominique Zeigler
LT: Jonas 'Glass Man' Jennings
LG: Justin Smiley
C: Tony Wragge
RG: Chilo Rachal
RT: Marvel Smith, Kwame Harris
LE: Demetric Evans
NT: Kentwan Balmer
DT: Reggie McGrew, Anthony Adams
RE: Josh Cooper
OLB: Manny Lawson
ILB: Takeo Spikes
OLB: Tully Banta-Cain
CB: Mike Rumph
CB: Dre' Bly
FS: Dashon Goldson, Mike Rumph
SS: Mark Roman, Keith Lewis, Taylor Mays
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Jan 28, 2014 at 9:26 PM
- SnakePlissken
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Jan 28, 2014 at 9:27 PM
- Ronnie49Lott
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Originally posted by dGilleran:
Why you guys picking Eric Wright?
I think they mean the 1980's Eric Wright who would have been a top 10 CB if not for a career ending groin injury.
[ Edited by Ronnie49Lott on Jan 28, 2014 at 9:29 PM ]
Jan 28, 2014 at 10:23 PM
- pdizo916
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Originally posted by matt49er:
I hate TO with a passion but I have to agree here
owens is the best WR outside of Jerry.
Jan 28, 2014 at 11:25 PM
- 49ersScoutHistorian
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Lot of fans showing their age or lack of knowledge in this thread.
Here's what the team should REALLY look like:
QB: Steve Young
-If you look past the whole "clutch" hype, Young was the better QB, and it's not even debatable. When you're picking your QB, you're looking for the top guy to run a great offense, not some legend of, "hey, he mentioned John Candy in the stands and led a game winning SB drive." You have to GET to the SB first. Young was held back from more rings by flawed 49ers teams in the 90s.
RB: Garrison Hearst
-1998 Hearst was the best back the team has ever had, and it's not particularly close. Sure, Craig and Watters were good (Watters was the best receiver), Tyler was great if you overlook the fumbles...Gore was great in 2006, and fell off in a huge way after that. Hearst was a slasher with power and elusiveness, a dangerous pass catcher, and excellent in blitz pickup.
FB: Fred Beasley
-If you're looking for someone to run the iso play, he's the only choice at FB here.
WR: Jerry Rice
WR: Terrell Owens
-John Taylor, Freddie Solomon, and Gene Washington were all great players and would be fine choices, but prime-Owens could only be stopped by happy-footed weasels at QB (*cough* Garcia *cough*).
TE: Vernon Davis
-It's his blocking that really makes the difference. Brent Jones was brilliant in the seams, tough in traffic, and was great after the catch, but he was generally a poor blocker. Davis is the best blocking TE in football and as good a downfield threat as you will find at the position.
LT: Derrick Deese
-There aren't really any good choices here. Steve Wallace wasn't great - converted guard and that showed, at times. Bubba Paris had weight problems and was inconsistent. Joe Staley is overrated as all get out and very beatable. Deese in the early 00s put together some really nice seasons, although he was far from dominant.
LG: Guy McIntyre
-Have to keep my right side of the offensive line in tact at all costs, even though McIntyre was better at right guard where he had more options pulling. Spectacular athlete...could slide out and play quasi-left tackle picking up edge rushers. Combined it with great power for his size.
C: Jeremy Newberry
-Powerful center with nastiness. Jesse Sapolu was NOT a very good offensive lineman, despite the nostalgic Hawaiian affirmative action he always gets among 49er fans. He was a scrapper who did what Bobb McKittrick asked of him, which is why he lasted.
RG: Randy Cross
-Teamed with Fahnhorst to form an absolutely devastating right side of the 49ers' line in the early-to-mid 80s. They would literally cave in opposing defensive lines in-line with crushing blocks. Tremendous technician. He was likely roided up, but that's the era. Much better in-line than on pulls, despite the BS reputation as a "pulling guard" he developed, since the 49er lines became known for being undersized.
RT: Keith Fahnhorst
-Converted tight end with tremendous power. Also a better pass blocker than the overrated Harris Barton. Barton was very beatable in pass protection and not a great run blocker, either. Always gave great effort, but he wasn't in Fahnhorst's class.
NT: Michael Carter
-As good a nose tackle as there's ever been. Dominant vs. the run as well as a freakish athlete who could have played 3-technique if he wanted to and posted double digit sacks every year.
RE: Kevan f*gan
-The best run playing defensive lineman in NFL history. Absolutely unblockable one-on-one. Not only would stonewall the lineman, he'd often literally throw him to the ground. If you wanted any chance of doing anything against him, you had to double team him. Not in a BS, "oh, X is double teamed all the time" thing where the fans are just talking out of their a--. I mean, really, truly...you had to actually put two men on him. Career cut short by back problems (only reason 49ers got him in the 4th round to begin with). He was obviously on steroids. I mean, he just SCREAMS it. It's like pro wrestler-obvious.
LE: Justin Smith
-He normally plays on the right side where f*gan used to play, but I can't take Pierce Holt over him. Holt was good, but overrated. He was nowhere near f*gan's class, yet he got more hype because he was a better pass rusher. Holt wasn't great vs. the run. Smith, on the other hand, is so quick and active against the run that he never provides a real target to block. I think he could play on the left side.
ILB: Novorro Bowman
-He's been playing at a higher level than Willis for a while now.
ILB: Matt Millen
-Give me the physical, tough, between the tackles run defender, please. Millen could actually defeat offensive line blockers in his day.
OLB: Keena Turner
-Shut down the outside run at the point going against the TE. Incredibly strong for his size...could even give offensive tackles like Gary Zimmerman trouble at the point. Also quite fast and athletic and great in pursuit. Could also blitz and make plays in coverage.
OLB: Charles Haley
-DeMarcus Ware is a poor man's Haley. Haley was an athletic freak. He was "next level." Sack totals don't do him justice.
(If I were going 4-3, Fred Dean would be at one end spot, Carter and f*gan would be the DTs, and Haley would be at the other end. The LBs would be Turner, Bowman, and I'd probably put in Willis to play the "will" spot).
CB - Eric Wright
-Best cover guy to play for the 49ers since 1980.
CB - Deion Sanders
-Yeah, that even includes Deion. Deion was somewhat overhyped, though still good.
SS - Jeff Fuller
-A complete SS who was as good as it gets in the box. Textbook tackler, big hitter, fluid, smooth, and athletic enough to cover. He even played emergency 4th corner on the 1984 team after Lott came out of the game against the Oilers (and did better than Lott). Tim McDonald, though excellent in the box, was a liability in coverage.
FS - Merton Hanks
-Excellent smarts and ball skills and a much bigger hitter than people give/gave him credit for. Not a fan of Lott's all-or-nothing hitting. He missed too many tackles for my taste and never had great cover ability, though he did have excellent hands and instincts.
K - Joe Nedney
-Kicking is all about era. 80% used to be practically untouchable. Now it's a poor percentage.
P- Andy Lee
-Not even close.
Here's what the team should REALLY look like:
QB: Steve Young
-If you look past the whole "clutch" hype, Young was the better QB, and it's not even debatable. When you're picking your QB, you're looking for the top guy to run a great offense, not some legend of, "hey, he mentioned John Candy in the stands and led a game winning SB drive." You have to GET to the SB first. Young was held back from more rings by flawed 49ers teams in the 90s.
RB: Garrison Hearst
-1998 Hearst was the best back the team has ever had, and it's not particularly close. Sure, Craig and Watters were good (Watters was the best receiver), Tyler was great if you overlook the fumbles...Gore was great in 2006, and fell off in a huge way after that. Hearst was a slasher with power and elusiveness, a dangerous pass catcher, and excellent in blitz pickup.
FB: Fred Beasley
-If you're looking for someone to run the iso play, he's the only choice at FB here.
WR: Jerry Rice
WR: Terrell Owens
-John Taylor, Freddie Solomon, and Gene Washington were all great players and would be fine choices, but prime-Owens could only be stopped by happy-footed weasels at QB (*cough* Garcia *cough*).
TE: Vernon Davis
-It's his blocking that really makes the difference. Brent Jones was brilliant in the seams, tough in traffic, and was great after the catch, but he was generally a poor blocker. Davis is the best blocking TE in football and as good a downfield threat as you will find at the position.
LT: Derrick Deese
-There aren't really any good choices here. Steve Wallace wasn't great - converted guard and that showed, at times. Bubba Paris had weight problems and was inconsistent. Joe Staley is overrated as all get out and very beatable. Deese in the early 00s put together some really nice seasons, although he was far from dominant.
LG: Guy McIntyre
-Have to keep my right side of the offensive line in tact at all costs, even though McIntyre was better at right guard where he had more options pulling. Spectacular athlete...could slide out and play quasi-left tackle picking up edge rushers. Combined it with great power for his size.
C: Jeremy Newberry
-Powerful center with nastiness. Jesse Sapolu was NOT a very good offensive lineman, despite the nostalgic Hawaiian affirmative action he always gets among 49er fans. He was a scrapper who did what Bobb McKittrick asked of him, which is why he lasted.
RG: Randy Cross
-Teamed with Fahnhorst to form an absolutely devastating right side of the 49ers' line in the early-to-mid 80s. They would literally cave in opposing defensive lines in-line with crushing blocks. Tremendous technician. He was likely roided up, but that's the era. Much better in-line than on pulls, despite the BS reputation as a "pulling guard" he developed, since the 49er lines became known for being undersized.
RT: Keith Fahnhorst
-Converted tight end with tremendous power. Also a better pass blocker than the overrated Harris Barton. Barton was very beatable in pass protection and not a great run blocker, either. Always gave great effort, but he wasn't in Fahnhorst's class.
NT: Michael Carter
-As good a nose tackle as there's ever been. Dominant vs. the run as well as a freakish athlete who could have played 3-technique if he wanted to and posted double digit sacks every year.
RE: Kevan f*gan
-The best run playing defensive lineman in NFL history. Absolutely unblockable one-on-one. Not only would stonewall the lineman, he'd often literally throw him to the ground. If you wanted any chance of doing anything against him, you had to double team him. Not in a BS, "oh, X is double teamed all the time" thing where the fans are just talking out of their a--. I mean, really, truly...you had to actually put two men on him. Career cut short by back problems (only reason 49ers got him in the 4th round to begin with). He was obviously on steroids. I mean, he just SCREAMS it. It's like pro wrestler-obvious.
LE: Justin Smith
-He normally plays on the right side where f*gan used to play, but I can't take Pierce Holt over him. Holt was good, but overrated. He was nowhere near f*gan's class, yet he got more hype because he was a better pass rusher. Holt wasn't great vs. the run. Smith, on the other hand, is so quick and active against the run that he never provides a real target to block. I think he could play on the left side.
ILB: Novorro Bowman
-He's been playing at a higher level than Willis for a while now.
ILB: Matt Millen
-Give me the physical, tough, between the tackles run defender, please. Millen could actually defeat offensive line blockers in his day.
OLB: Keena Turner
-Shut down the outside run at the point going against the TE. Incredibly strong for his size...could even give offensive tackles like Gary Zimmerman trouble at the point. Also quite fast and athletic and great in pursuit. Could also blitz and make plays in coverage.
OLB: Charles Haley
-DeMarcus Ware is a poor man's Haley. Haley was an athletic freak. He was "next level." Sack totals don't do him justice.
(If I were going 4-3, Fred Dean would be at one end spot, Carter and f*gan would be the DTs, and Haley would be at the other end. The LBs would be Turner, Bowman, and I'd probably put in Willis to play the "will" spot).
CB - Eric Wright
-Best cover guy to play for the 49ers since 1980.
CB - Deion Sanders
-Yeah, that even includes Deion. Deion was somewhat overhyped, though still good.
SS - Jeff Fuller
-A complete SS who was as good as it gets in the box. Textbook tackler, big hitter, fluid, smooth, and athletic enough to cover. He even played emergency 4th corner on the 1984 team after Lott came out of the game against the Oilers (and did better than Lott). Tim McDonald, though excellent in the box, was a liability in coverage.
FS - Merton Hanks
-Excellent smarts and ball skills and a much bigger hitter than people give/gave him credit for. Not a fan of Lott's all-or-nothing hitting. He missed too many tackles for my taste and never had great cover ability, though he did have excellent hands and instincts.
K - Joe Nedney
-Kicking is all about era. 80% used to be practically untouchable. Now it's a poor percentage.
P- Andy Lee
-Not even close.
[ Edited by 49ersScoutHistorian on Jan 28, 2014 at 11:35 PM ]
Jan 28, 2014 at 11:45 PM
- frankie
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Originally posted by GEEK:QB: Cody Pickett
RB: Maurice Hicks
FB: Chris Heatherington
TE: Steve Bush
WR: RaShaun Woods
WR: Taylor Jacobs
LT: Jonas Jennings
LG: David Baas
C: Cody Wallace
RG: Chilo Rachal
RT: Kwame Harris
LE: Andrew Williams
NT: Kentwan Balmer
DT: Ronald Fields
RE: Melvin Oliver
OLB: Saleem Rasheed
ILB: Brandon Moore
OLB: Hannibal Naives
CB: Mike Rumph
CB: Bruce Thornton
FS: Mark Roman
SS: Taylor Mays
K: Jose Cortez
P: Barry Helton
Switch heatherington for zac keasey, the keaster n this is gold lol
Jan 28, 2014 at 11:47 PM
- frankie
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Originally posted by SnakePlissken:QB: Nate Davis, Trent Dilfer
RB: Brandon Jacobs, Thomas Clayton (Webzone 2008 Preseason 4th Qtr MVP)
FB: Zak Keasey, Moran Norris
TE: Vance McDonald, Billy Bajema
WR: Kyle Williams, Ashley Lelie, Jon Baldwin
WR: Jason Hill, Dominique Zeigler
LT: Jonas 'Glass Man' Jennings
LG: Justin Smiley
C: Tony Wragge
RG: Chilo Rachal
RT: Marvel Smith, Kwame Harris
LE: Demetric Evans
NT: Kentwan Balmer
DT: Reggie McGrew, Anthony Adams
RE: Josh Cooper
OLB: Manny Lawson
ILB: Takeo Spikes
OLB: Tully Banta-Cain
CB: Mike Rumph
CB: Dre' Bly
FS: Dashon Goldson, Mike Rumph
SS: Mark Roman, Keith Lewis, Taylor Mays
K: David Akers
P: Ricky Schmitt
:( no brandon whiting? Nor iheani iuwaezaki lol forget how sp his name lmao
Jan 29, 2014 at 12:09 AM
- 49ersScoutHistorian
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On the "joke" teams where is the worst linebacker to ever play professional football, Derek Squish (the human nerf missile)?
[ Edited by 49ersScoutHistorian on Jan 29, 2014 at 12:10 AM ]
Jan 29, 2014 at 12:54 AM
- sincalfaithful
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Originally posted by 49ersScoutHistorian:
Lot of fans showing their age or lack of knowledge in this thread.
Here's what the team should REALLY look like:
QB: Steve Young
-If you look past the whole "clutch" hype, Young was the better QB, and it's not even debatable. When you're picking your QB, you're looking for the top guy to run a great offense, not some legend of, "hey, he mentioned John Candy in the stands and led a game winning SB drive." You have to GET to the SB first. Young was held back from more rings by flawed 49ers teams in the 90s.
RB: Garrison Hearst
-1998 Hearst was the best back the team has ever had, and it's not particularly close. Sure, Craig and Watters were good (Watters was the best receiver), Tyler was great if you overlook the fumbles...Gore was great in 2006, and fell off in a huge way after that. Hearst was a slasher with power and elusiveness, a dangerous pass catcher, and excellent in blitz pickup.
FB: Fred Beasley
-If you're looking for someone to run the iso play, he's the only choice at FB here.
WR: Jerry Rice
WR: Terrell Owens
-John Taylor, Freddie Solomon, and Gene Washington were all great players and would be fine choices, but prime-Owens could only be stopped by happy-footed weasels at QB (*cough* Garcia *cough*).
TE: Vernon Davis
-It's his blocking that really makes the difference. Brent Jones was brilliant in the seams, tough in traffic, and was great after the catch, but he was generally a poor blocker. Davis is the best blocking TE in football and as good a downfield threat as you will find at the position.
LT: Derrick Deese
-There aren't really any good choices here. Steve Wallace wasn't great - converted guard and that showed, at times. Bubba Paris had weight problems and was inconsistent. Joe Staley is overrated as all get out and very beatable. Deese in the early 00s put together some really nice seasons, although he was far from dominant.
LG: Guy McIntyre
-Have to keep my right side of the offensive line in tact at all costs, even though McIntyre was better at right guard where he had more options pulling. Spectacular athlete...could slide out and play quasi-left tackle picking up edge rushers. Combined it with great power for his size.
C: Jeremy Newberry
-Powerful center with nastiness. Jesse Sapolu was NOT a very good offensive lineman, despite the nostalgic Hawaiian affirmative action he always gets among 49er fans. He was a scrapper who did what Bobb McKittrick asked of him, which is why he lasted.
RG: Randy Cross
-Teamed with Fahnhorst to form an absolutely devastating right side of the 49ers' line in the early-to-mid 80s. They would literally cave in opposing defensive lines in-line with crushing blocks. Tremendous technician. He was likely roided up, but that's the era. Much better in-line than on pulls, despite the BS reputation as a "pulling guard" he developed, since the 49er lines became known for being undersized.
RT: Keith Fahnhorst
-Converted tight end with tremendous power. Also a better pass blocker than the overrated Harris Barton. Barton was very beatable in pass protection and not a great run blocker, either. Always gave great effort, but he wasn't in Fahnhorst's class.
NT: Michael Carter
-As good a nose tackle as there's ever been. Dominant vs. the run as well as a freakish athlete who could have played 3-technique if he wanted to and posted double digit sacks every year.
RE: Kevan f*gan
-The best run playing defensive lineman in NFL history. Absolutely unblockable one-on-one. Not only would stonewall the lineman, he'd often literally throw him to the ground. If you wanted any chance of doing anything against him, you had to double team him. Not in a BS, "oh, X is double teamed all the time" thing where the fans are just talking out of their a--. I mean, really, truly...you had to actually put two men on him. Career cut short by back problems (only reason 49ers got him in the 4th round to begin with). He was obviously on steroids. I mean, he just SCREAMS it. It's like pro wrestler-obvious.
LE: Justin Smith
-He normally plays on the right side where f*gan used to play, but I can't take Pierce Holt over him. Holt was good, but overrated. He was nowhere near f*gan's class, yet he got more hype because he was a better pass rusher. Holt wasn't great vs. the run. Smith, on the other hand, is so quick and active against the run that he never provides a real target to block. I think he could play on the left side.
ILB: Novorro Bowman
-He's been playing at a higher level than Willis for a while now.
ILB: Matt Millen
-Give me the physical, tough, between the tackles run defender, please. Millen could actually defeat offensive line blockers in his day.
OLB: Keena Turner
-Shut down the outside run at the point going against the TE. Incredibly strong for his size...could even give offensive tackles like Gary Zimmerman trouble at the point. Also quite fast and athletic and great in pursuit. Could also blitz and make plays in coverage.
OLB: Charles Haley
-DeMarcus Ware is a poor man's Haley. Haley was an athletic freak. He was "next level." Sack totals don't do him justice.
(If I were going 4-3, Fred Dean would be at one end spot, Carter and f*gan would be the DTs, and Haley would be at the other end. The LBs would be Turner, Bowman, and I'd probably put in Willis to play the "will" spot).
CB - Eric Wright
-Best cover guy to play for the 49ers since 1980.
CB - Deion Sanders
-Yeah, that even includes Deion. Deion was somewhat overhyped, though still good.
SS - Jeff Fuller
-A complete SS who was as good as it gets in the box. Textbook tackler, big hitter, fluid, smooth, and athletic enough to cover. He even played emergency 4th corner on the 1984 team after Lott came out of the game against the Oilers (and did better than Lott). Tim McDonald, though excellent in the box, was a liability in coverage.
FS - Merton Hanks
-Excellent smarts and ball skills and a much bigger hitter than people give/gave him credit for. Not a fan of Lott's all-or-nothing hitting. He missed too many tackles for my taste and never had great cover ability, though he did have excellent hands and instincts.
K - Joe Nedney
-Kicking is all about era. 80% used to be practically untouchable. Now it's a poor percentage.
P- Andy Lee
-Not even close.
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Jan 29, 2014 at 2:10 AM
- 49ersScoutHistorian
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Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
stopped reading at the bolded
Why? You disagree? If you disagree, you don't understand football. Hearst in 1998 was better than any back in team history. Well, I can't really speak on the Million Dollar Backfield members, but certainly for the purpose of this thread, he was the best this team has had.
Jan 29, 2014 at 4:36 AM
- Niners99
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Originally posted by matt49er:Originally posted by pdizo916:Originally posted by Niners99:If you made an All-Pro roster for the 49ers from the beginning of the Walsh era (1979) until the current 2013 team, what would the team look like? Only 1 spot per position, based on impact to the team and/or longevity. (2nd WR spot must be a secondary WR at the time, not just the 2nd best WR1.) Since we played both the 4-3 and the 3-4, pick 2 DT and 2 ILB's.
QB- Joe Montana
RB- Frank Gore
FB- Tom Rathman
WR1- Jerry Rice
WR2- John Taylor
TE- Vernon Davis
LT- Joe Staley
LG- Guy McIntyre
C- Jesse Sapolu
RG- Randy Cross
RT- Harris Barton
LDE- Roy Barker
DT- Bryant Young
DT- Dana Stubblefield
RDE- Justin Smith
LOLB- Charles Haley
MLB- Patrick Willis
MLB- NaVorro Bowman
ROLB- Aldon Smith
LCB- Deion Sanders
RCB- Eric Wright
SS- Tim McDonald
FS- Ronnie Lott
K- Ray Wersching
P- Andy Lee
I noticed weve had a pretty sad group of CB's overall in the last 35 years. Lott counted as a FS, so that didnt leave much. Deion's impact in 1994 alone won him a spot. Weve also done a pretty pathetic job of finding a good 2nd WR after the John Taylor days. Outside the brief window when Rice and Owens were good at the same time, its been pretty rough. Thank goodness for Anquan Boldin.
Id put this team up against anyone elses from the same time span.
Yes, I know, this is very much an offseason thread, but its a fun concept.
substitute taylor for owens
I hate TO with a passion but I have to agree here
Owens isnt the best 2nd WR weve had though. I wasnt saying top 2 WR, just the best 1 (Rice) and the best 2 (Taylor). Owens was only a 2 for a couple seasons, and he didnt turn into a star until he had taken over at the 1 spot. Same goes for Clark. By the time he was the 2 behind Rice, he was fading into retirement.
imo John Taylor was the 49ers best secondary WR of the last 35 years.
Jan 29, 2014 at 7:11 AM
- caliman4life
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Originally posted by 49ersScoutHistorian:Lot of fans showing their age or lack of knowledge in this thread.
Here's what the team should REALLY look like:
QB: Steve Young
-If you look past the whole "clutch" hype, Young was the better QB, and it's not even debatable. When you're picking your QB, you're looking for the top guy to run a great offense, not some legend of, "hey, he mentioned John Candy in the stands and led a game winning SB drive." You have to GET to the SB first. Young was held back from more rings by flawed 49ers teams in the 90s.
RB: Garrison Hearst
-1998 Hearst was the best back the team has ever had, and it's not particularly close. Sure, Craig and Watters were good (Watters was the best receiver), Tyler was great if you overlook the fumbles...Gore was great in 2006, and fell off in a huge way after that. Hearst was a slasher with power and elusiveness, a dangerous pass catcher, and excellent in blitz pickup.
FB: Fred Beasley
-If you're looking for someone to run the iso play, he's the only choice at FB here.
WR: Jerry Rice
WR: Terrell Owens
-John Taylor, Freddie Solomon, and Gene Washington were all great players and would be fine choices, but prime-Owens could only be stopped by happy-footed weasels at QB (*cough* Garcia *cough*).
TE: Vernon Davis
-It's his blocking that really makes the difference. Brent Jones was brilliant in the seams, tough in traffic, and was great after the catch, but he was generally a poor blocker. Davis is the best blocking TE in football and as good a downfield threat as you will find at the position.
LT: Derrick Deese
-There aren't really any good choices here. Steve Wallace wasn't great - converted guard and that showed, at times. Bubba Paris had weight problems and was inconsistent. Joe Staley is overrated as all get out and very beatable. Deese in the early 00s put together some really nice seasons, although he was far from dominant.
LG: Guy McIntyre
-Have to keep my right side of the offensive line in tact at all costs, even though McIntyre was better at right guard where he had more options pulling. Spectacular athlete...could slide out and play quasi-left tackle picking up edge rushers. Combined it with great power for his size.
C: Jeremy Newberry
-Powerful center with nastiness. Jesse Sapolu was NOT a very good offensive lineman, despite the nostalgic Hawaiian affirmative action he always gets among 49er fans. He was a scrapper who did what Bobb McKittrick asked of him, which is why he lasted.
RG: Randy Cross
-Teamed with Fahnhorst to form an absolutely devastating right side of the 49ers' line in the early-to-mid 80s. They would literally cave in opposing defensive lines in-line with crushing blocks. Tremendous technician. He was likely roided up, but that's the era. Much better in-line than on pulls, despite the BS reputation as a "pulling guard" he developed, since the 49er lines became known for being undersized.
RT: Keith Fahnhorst
-Converted tight end with tremendous power. Also a better pass blocker than the overrated Harris Barton. Barton was very beatable in pass protection and not a great run blocker, either. Always gave great effort, but he wasn't in Fahnhorst's class.
NT: Michael Carter
-As good a nose tackle as there's ever been. Dominant vs. the run as well as a freakish athlete who could have played 3-technique if he wanted to and posted double digit sacks every year.
RE: Kevan f*gan
-The best run playing defensive lineman in NFL history. Absolutely unblockable one-on-one. Not only would stonewall the lineman, he'd often literally throw him to the ground. If you wanted any chance of doing anything against him, you had to double team him. Not in a BS, "oh, X is double teamed all the time" thing where the fans are just talking out of their a--. I mean, really, truly...you had to actually put two men on him. Career cut short by back problems (only reason 49ers got him in the 4th round to begin with). He was obviously on steroids. I mean, he just SCREAMS it. It's like pro wrestler-obvious.
LE: Justin Smith
-He normally plays on the right side where f*gan used to play, but I can't take Pierce Holt over him. Holt was good, but overrated. He was nowhere near f*gan's class, yet he got more hype because he was a better pass rusher. Holt wasn't great vs. the run. Smith, on the other hand, is so quick and active against the run that he never provides a real target to block. I think he could play on the left side.
ILB: Novorro Bowman
-He's been playing at a higher level than Willis for a while now.
ILB: Matt Millen
-Give me the physical, tough, between the tackles run defender, please. Millen could actually defeat offensive line blockers in his day.
OLB: Keena Turner
-Shut down the outside run at the point going against the TE. Incredibly strong for his size...could even give offensive tackles like Gary Zimmerman trouble at the point. Also quite fast and athletic and great in pursuit. Could also blitz and make plays in coverage.
OLB: Charles Haley
-DeMarcus Ware is a poor man's Haley. Haley was an athletic freak. He was "next level." Sack totals don't do him justice.
(If I were going 4-3, Fred Dean would be at one end spot, Carter and f*gan would be the DTs, and Haley would be at the other end. The LBs would be Turner, Bowman, and I'd probably put in Willis to play the "will" spot).
CB - Eric Wright
-Best cover guy to play for the 49ers since 1980.
CB - Deion Sanders
-Yeah, that even includes Deion. Deion was somewhat overhyped, though still good.
SS - Jeff Fuller
-A complete SS who was as good as it gets in the box. Textbook tackler, big hitter, fluid, smooth, and athletic enough to cover. He even played emergency 4th corner on the 1984 team after Lott came out of the game against the Oilers (and did better than Lott). Tim McDonald, though excellent in the box, was a liability in coverage.
FS - Merton Hanks
-Excellent smarts and ball skills and a much bigger hitter than people give/gave him credit for. Not a fan of Lott's all-or-nothing hitting. He missed too many tackles for my taste and never had great cover ability, though he did have excellent hands and instincts.
K - Joe Nedney
-Kicking is all about era. 80% used to be practically untouchable. Now it's a poor percentage.
P- Andy Lee
-Not even close.
at bold. "If u take out the "clutch" hype". That's what made Montana special. No one thinks Montana is one of the best QBs', if not the G.O.A.T. cause he saw John Candy at the start of a SB winning drive. That may not sound stupid to anyone else but to me u ssound sstuupid. You lost credit from me by hating on Montana & coming up with excuses for Young. Leaving Ronnie Lott out, that's -able too. I respect your choices but the QB position & leaving Lott out are jokes & "it's NOT even close".
Jan 29, 2014 at 7:19 AM
- robniner
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Wow!
No Roger Craig love.
Not even a Bar None.
No Roger Craig love.
Not even a Bar None.
Jan 29, 2014 at 9:03 AM
- BigYellowKahuna
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Also No Fred Dean love
Jan 29, 2014 at 10:26 AM
- crake49
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"QB: Steve Young-If you look past the whole "clutch" hype, Young was the better QB, and it's not even debatable. When you're picking your QB, you're looking for the top guy to run a great offense, not some legend of, "hey, he mentioned John Candy in the stands and led a game winning SB drive." You have to GET to the SB first. Young was held back from more rings by flawed 49ers teams in the 90s."
When you start with a half-baked take like this, it's hard to take anything else you lay out seriously. Clutch is not hype. Clutch is clutch. You only get called that when you win games in the clutch. It's not some mystical concept. Young's arm was a bit stronger and he was a faster runner. But, for most of his career, he really wasn't at Montana's level in terms of seeing the field, staying calm in the pocket, finding receivers and understanding defenses. You ridicule Garcia's "happy feet." I've got news for you - Young had a huge case of "happy feet" for the first 7 or 8 years he was on the team. People around here would have been slamming Young all through the 91, 92 and 93 season. And, those teams were not "flawed." They featured powerful run defenses, real good secondaries, great receivers, real good running backs and a Hall of Fame QB.
When you start with a half-baked take like this, it's hard to take anything else you lay out seriously. Clutch is not hype. Clutch is clutch. You only get called that when you win games in the clutch. It's not some mystical concept. Young's arm was a bit stronger and he was a faster runner. But, for most of his career, he really wasn't at Montana's level in terms of seeing the field, staying calm in the pocket, finding receivers and understanding defenses. You ridicule Garcia's "happy feet." I've got news for you - Young had a huge case of "happy feet" for the first 7 or 8 years he was on the team. People around here would have been slamming Young all through the 91, 92 and 93 season. And, those teams were not "flawed." They featured powerful run defenses, real good secondaries, great receivers, real good running backs and a Hall of Fame QB.
Jan 29, 2014 at 11:52 AM
- 49erfeeeever808
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Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
QB: Nate Davis, Trent Dilfer
RB: Brandon Jacobs, Thomas Clayton (Webzone 2008 Preseason 4th Qtr MVP)
FB: Zak Keasey, Moran Norris
TE: Vance McDonald, Billy Bajema
WR: Kyle Williams, Ashley Lelie, Jon Baldwin
WR: Jason Hill, Dominique Zeigler
LT: Jonas 'Glass Man' Jennings
LG: Justin Smiley
C: Tony Wragge
RG: Chilo Rachal
RT: Marvel Smith, Kwame Harris
LE: Demetric Evans
NT: Kentwan Balmer
DT: Reggie McGrew, Anthony Adams
RE: Josh Cooper
OLB: Manny Lawson
ILB: Takeo Spikes
OLB: Tully Banta-Cain
CB: Mike Rumph
CB: Dre' Bly
FS: Dashon Goldson, Mike Rumph
SS: Mark Roman, Keith Lewis, Taylor Mays
K: David Akers
P: Ricky Schmitt
that's just Dre being Dre!!!