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Film analysis of the NFCCG

Originally posted by thl408:

While Thurmond does slip covering Crabs, Kap's first read was QP. Kap could have stepped up into the pocket as opposed to scrambling left. He did eventually go back to Crabs, but Avril came just in time to strip the ball. QP runs a bit of a lazy route. Boone got turned. ET was not going to let Kap run and was actually playing as the spy as he beelines it to Kap once Kap starts his scramble.




edit: fixed the size of the pics

Damn. You can see the safety #29 squatting in front of the 40yd line looking into the backfield. He made no attempt to move until Kaep started to scramble. Had Kaep trust VD enough to throw it to the outside where VD will eventually be to the sideline, that would have been a huge gain.

You can see Kaep saw it too as he was trying to avoid the rush. I don't think Kaep recognized the open area about to unfold, because he looked further to the outside for another receiver before going back to VD and attempted to throw the ball. By that time it's too late. The defender already knocking the ball out of his hand. A veteran qb would have thrown VD open into the open area behind that squatting safety, outside the numbers. Kaep keeps his head straight for a little longer, there's no way that safety could have caught up with the ball even if he had turned to the outside. When VD got even with the safety, that safety is beaten.

It's good that Kaep actually recognized it but a bit late. Maybe next year
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Damn. You can see the safety #29 squatting in front of the 40yd line looking into the backfield. He made no attempt to move until Kaep started to scramble. Had Kaep trust VD enough to throw it to the outside where VD will eventually be to the sideline, that would have been a huge gain.

You can see Kaep saw it too as he was trying to avoid the rush. I don't think Kaep recognized the open area about to unfold, because he looked further to the outside for another receiver before going back to VD and attempted to throw the ball. By that time it's too late. The defender already knocking the ball out of his hand. A veteran qb would have thrown VD open into the open area behind that squatting safety, outside the numbers. Kaep keeps his head straight for a little longer, there's no way that safety could have caught up with the ball even if he had turned to the outside. When VD got even with the safety, that safety is beaten.
It's good that Kaep actually recognized it but a bit late. Maybe next year

They were spying CK a lot this game with LB's or S's mostly. And it's just like a blitz...pass to the side/spot they vacated. Here is an example of as soon as ET starts to run with CK, that area is now open and right into the area VD is designed to go with a trailing DB. That said, ET was in the perfect spot and blew up the route initially so CK wisely slides and buys more time and then the route comes open again.

I think the original design was to hit VD right as he turned. Unfortunately ET was in the perfect spot and then blew up field with CK while he trying to buy more time. Too late.

Like you said, hopefully, the coaches will teach him to look to vacated areas by defenders (blitz or not).
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Damn. You can see the safety #29 squatting in front of the 40yd line looking into the backfield. He made no attempt to move until Kaep started to scramble. Had Kaep trust VD enough to throw it to the outside where VD will eventually be to the sideline, that would have been a huge gain.

You can see Kaep saw it too as he was trying to avoid the rush. I don't think Kaep recognized the open area about to unfold, because he looked further to the outside for another receiver before going back to VD and attempted to throw the ball. By that time it's too late. The defender already knocking the ball out of his hand. A veteran qb would have thrown VD open into the open area behind that squatting safety, outside the numbers. Kaep keeps his head straight for a little longer, there's no way that safety could have caught up with the ball even if he had turned to the outside. When VD got even with the safety, that safety is beaten.

It's good that Kaep actually recognized it but a bit late. Maybe next year

Dude, if the 49ers line keeps blocking like that, he'll be lucky to recognize his parents next season. Davis has GOT to be more effective than that.
Kaps's first read is QP. You can see Kap's head turn to QP once he thinks he has ET frozen. VD was second. Truth is, ET was just playing a robber/spy role. he wasn't 'frozen' at all.
[ Edited by thl408 on Feb 17, 2014 at 2:23 PM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
Kaps's first read is QP. You can see Kap's head turn to QP once he thinks he has ET frozen. VD was second. Truth is, ET was just playing a robber/spy role. he wasn't 'frozen' at all.

That would be the same as looking into the backfield. It's usually for a RB on a running play but in this case it's for Kaep if he scramble. Result would be the same-- to take advantage behind the said safety because he's not backpedalling nor moving laterally. Relatively stationary for safety play that can be taken advantage of.
Originally posted by thl408:
Kaps's first read is QP. You can see Kap's head turn to QP once he thinks he has ET frozen. VD was second. Truth is, ET was just playing a robber/spy role. he wasn't 'frozen' at all.

Gotcha...from the clips it looked like he was locked on VD initially. Thanks!

BTW: What a crappy route by Patton then!
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 17, 2014 at 2:46 PM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by thl408:
Kaps's first read is QP. You can see Kap's head turn to QP once he thinks he has ET frozen. VD was second. Truth is, ET was just playing a robber/spy role. he wasn't 'frozen' at all.

That would be the same as looking into the backfield. It's usually for a RB on a running play but in this case it's for Kaep if he scramble. Result would be the same-- to take advantage behind the said safety because he's not backpedalling nor moving laterally. Relatively stationary for safety play that can be taken advantage of.

You are correct. Which is what Kap was trying to do with QP one on one with no safety help.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Damn. You can see the safety #29 squatting in front of the 40yd line looking into the backfield. He made no attempt to move until Kaep started to scramble. Had Kaep trust VD enough to throw it to the outside where VD will eventually be to the sideline, that would have been a huge gain.

You can see Kaep saw it too as he was trying to avoid the rush. I don't think Kaep recognized the open area about to unfold, because he looked further to the outside for another receiver before going back to VD and attempted to throw the ball. By that time it's too late. The defender already knocking the ball out of his hand. A veteran qb would have thrown VD open into the open area behind that squatting safety, outside the numbers. Kaep keeps his head straight for a little longer, there's no way that safety could have caught up with the ball even if he had turned to the outside. When VD got even with the safety, that safety is beaten.
It's good that Kaep actually recognized it but a bit late. Maybe next year

They were spying CK a lot this game with LB's or S's mostly. And it's just like a blitz...pass to the side/spot they vacated. Here is an example of as soon as ET starts to run with CK, that area is now open and right into the area VD is designed to go with a trailing DB. That said, ET was in the perfect spot and blew up the route initially so CK wisely slides and buys more time and then the route comes open again.

I think the original design was to hit VD right as he turned. Unfortunately ET was in the perfect spot and then blew up field with CK while he trying to buy more time. Too late.

Like you said, hopefully, the coaches will teach him to look to vacated areas by defenders (blitz or not).

That's a crossing route for VD, not one that's down the seams. There's no way that safety would have known whether VD's route is down the seams or crossing unless he backpedals and keep VD in view. The safety never does this, so he doesn't know if it's a crossing route where there's no other defender in the area or down the seams where there's another safety further down the field to help out against VD.

VD's route took advantage of the area behind the safety where he doesn't have a clue what's going on behind him. That easily could have been Whitner there Yeah, the one that's suckage in coverage...

Only way that safety blows up the play is if Kaep goes retard and threw the ball to VD early before VD makes his cut on a crossing route, like VD will go down the seam.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Feb 17, 2014 at 3:20 PM ]
Originally posted by BrianGO:

Every single play has phantom "open" players, when you cherry pick through the film.

actually, not really. crabtree is the most open any of our receivers got in the game. and as I looked at hags vs broncos game, in that game as well.
this is one of very few mistakes (yes I consider fixating on patton too much not to notice crabs with a cushion a mistake) from kaep that game too. I think this play and the first pick play are just meh reads, and probably the two biggest offensive mishaps all game long. the final play was definitely the right read but probably not a good decision considering sherman is good, crabs cant really catch fades, and frankly kaep is not good at throwing them, yet.

thl, thanks for the analysis !
[ Edited by the_dynasty on Feb 18, 2014 at 11:12 PM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Damn. You can see the safety #29 squatting in front of the 40yd line looking into the backfield. He made no attempt to move until Kaep started to scramble. Had Kaep trust VD enough to throw it to the outside where VD will eventually be to the sideline, that would have been a huge gain.

You can see Kaep saw it too as he was trying to avoid the rush. I don't think Kaep recognized the open area about to unfold, because he looked further to the outside for another receiver before going back to VD and attempted to throw the ball. By that time it's too late. The defender already knocking the ball out of his hand. A veteran qb would have thrown VD open into the open area behind that squatting safety, outside the numbers. Kaep keeps his head straight for a little longer, there's no way that safety could have caught up with the ball even if he had turned to the outside. When VD got even with the safety, that safety is beaten.
It's good that Kaep actually recognized it but a bit late. Maybe next year

They were spying CK a lot this game with LB's or S's mostly. And it's just like a blitz...pass to the side/spot they vacated. Here is an example of as soon as ET starts to run with CK, that area is now open and right into the area VD is designed to go with a trailing DB. That said, ET was in the perfect spot and blew up the route initially so CK wisely slides and buys more time and then the route comes open again.

I think the original design was to hit VD right as he turned. Unfortunately ET was in the perfect spot and then blew up field with CK while he trying to buy more time. Too late.

Like you said, hopefully, the coaches will teach him to look to vacated areas by defenders (blitz or not).

That's a crossing route for VD, not one that's down the seams. There's no way that safety would have known whether VD's route is down the seams or crossing unless he backpedals and keep VD in view. The safety never does this, so he doesn't know if it's a crossing route where there's no other defender in the area or down the seams where there's another safety further down the field to help out against VD.

VD's route took advantage of the area behind the safety where he doesn't have a clue what's going on behind him. That easily could have been Whitner there Yeah, the one that's suckage in coverage...

Only way that safety blows up the play is if Kaep goes retard and threw the ball to VD early before VD makes his cut on a crossing route, like VD will go down the seam.

Oh I agree...I'm guessing though that about where VD broke and ET was "in the area" VD may have looked covered from CK's vantage point...and some in here believe a receiver is covered if a defender is anywhere within 3 yards of him and is even flat footed (and totally focused on CK via spying). LOL

But I agree, CK did the right thing to buy more time and once ET started to push forward, VD was still open and the defender was in trail-mode.
Originally posted by Method:
Sorry this is false. Kap admitted he made a presnap read and the ball was going to Crabtree regardless. It was a bad decision, a bad throw and cost us a trip to the Superbowl. People can blame players around him if they want, it was his fault we lost that game.
Kap lost the SB is old.

In the SB we give up 28 points in 30 min (plus some seconds). We never gave up 26 in 60 minutes in any prior other Super Bowl. We came inches from making the biggest SB comeback ever, but lets attribute everything to the last throw.

Anyone think the Great Flacco Offense was scarier than the Marino Offense? If we held Marino for 16 points, you'd think we coulda done a little better than spot the Flacco 35.


Perspective please.
This is a great thread.

The arguments here for the most part, are very "football intellectual". Much better thread than many.

Goes well beyond the " x and y suck" comments that are so prevelent.
AD got raped all game long.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
AD got raped all game long.

Yes he did. He had a BAD game.
great stuff