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Film analysis of the NFCCG

Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
We had game analysis completely disproving your radical perspective with whatever you had seen, for some reason, about Kendall Hunter.

Or you just throw a better ball dude. It's not hard to f**king understand.

I must have missed that exchange. LOL.

So I take it you like the play call there at that time of the game, like the go-for-it attitude by CK and blame Davis for his inability to pass protect for the length of time it took to get this ball off more accurately (i.e. CK couldn't full step into the throw)? I just want to make sure I understand YOUR perspective here...for the record.

Nah, don't really blame Davis for Kaep's inaccuracy. Despite the fact he has gotten beat the past 2 years in clutch moments. Obviously Davis holding up his protection would have helped. And they were in no-huddle, it all happens so fast. We were clicking. When you re-watch that last drive live again you just don't even think about it as much. (at least to me). Maybe if he had more time he wouldn't have to telegraph the throw as much? I think that's an interesting point.
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
We had game analysis completely disproving your radical perspective with whatever you had seen, for some reason, about Kendall Hunter.

Or you just throw a better ball dude. It's not hard to f**king understand.

I must have missed that exchange. LOL.

So I take it you like the play call there at that time of the game, like the go-for-it attitude by CK and blame Davis for his inability to pass protect for the length of time it took to get this ball off more accurately (i.e. CK couldn't full step into the throw)? I just want to make sure I understand YOUR perspective here...for the record.

Nah, don't really blame Davis for Kaep's inaccuracy. Despite the fact he has gotten beat the past 2 years in clutch moments. Obviously Davis holding up his protection would have helped. And they were in no-huddle, it all happens so fast. We were clicking. When you re-watch that last drive live again you just don't even think about it as much. (at least to me). Maybe if he had more time he wouldn't have to telegraph the throw as much? I think that's an interesting point.

Gotcha...it may have been others who noted that CK was not allowed to fully follow-through with his pass d/t the pressure given up by Davis.

I would have imagined we lost a full minute or two on the Bowman-non fumble recovery d/t the Hawks getting a 4th down and running a play again. I would imagine we would have been less impatient at the 18 (hopefully).
Im a bit confused as to why the fumble play isnt broken down more.




It's perhaps the most 'interesting' one. Anthony Davis gets owned and Kaep stares down his primary read (who is completely blanketed) while not even looking at the other side of the field.
And on other side of the field, corner slips, leaving our outside WR with the most separation we got all game on the outside. Earl thomas sees the first read by Kaep and bites (ultimately, correctly), vacating his space.


this is a potential touchdown on the table turned into fumble.

both this play and the first pick one (one where boldin is bracketed by two dbs before kaep even raises his arm to pass) are way more worrying and analysis-worthy to me than the final play everyone was talking about and analyzed to death
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Im a bit confused as to why the fumble play isnt broken down more.




It's perhaps the most 'interesting' one. Anthony Davis gets owned and Kaep stares down his primary read (who is completely blanketed) while not even looking at the other side of the field.
And on other side of the field, corner slips, leaving our outside WR with the most separation we got all game on the outside. Earl thomas sees the first read by Kaep and bites (ultimately, correctly), vacating his space.


this is a potential touchdown on the table turned into fumble.

both this play and the first pick one (one where boldin is bracketed by two dbs before kaep even raises his arm to pass) are way more worrying and analysis-worthy to me than the final play everyone was talking about and analyzed to death

Well done...you can see the S's already running towards the AR (one read) totally ignoring the rest of the assignments. That's good defensive preparation.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Im a bit confused as to why the fumble play isnt broken down more.




It's perhaps the most 'interesting' one. Anthony Davis gets owned and Kaep stares down his primary read (who is completely blanketed) while not even looking at the other side of the field.
And on other side of the field, corner slips, leaving our outside WR with the most separation we got all game on the outside. Earl thomas sees the first read by Kaep and bites (ultimately, correctly), vacating his space.


this is a potential touchdown on the table turned into fumble.

both this play and the first pick one (one where boldin is bracketed by two dbs before kaep even raises his arm to pass) are way more worrying and analysis-worthy to me than the final play everyone was talking about and analyzed to death

Well done...you can see the S's already running towards the AR (one read) totally ignoring the rest of the assignments. That's good defensive preparation.

This doesn't look like an AR-type play. The read on the top of the screen was isolated pretty much until Kaepernick's chest was facing the opposite sideline, and Chancellor appeared to be dropping into single-high until he saw that. Earl Thomas had shallower coverage but didn't turn towards the sideline until Kaepernick's body faced that sideline.
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Im a bit confused as to why the fumble play isnt broken down more.

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It's perhaps the most 'interesting' one. Anthony Davis gets owned and Kaep stares down his primary read (who is completely blanketed) while not even looking at the other side of the field.
And on other side of the field, corner slips, leaving our outside WR with the most separation we got all game on the outside. Earl thomas sees the first read by Kaep and bites (ultimately, correctly), vacating his space.


this is a potential touchdown on the table turned into fumble.

both this play and the first pick one (one where boldin is bracketed by two dbs before kaep even raises his arm to pass) are way more worrying and analysis-worthy to me than the final play everyone was talking about and analyzed to death

Agreed this play was interesting and originally deserved a breakdown. I got lazy and wanted to end it, but now that it's bumped back up again...I can see why Kap went to QP as his primary read. Also, like you said, ADavis got beat around the corner, but Boone made a worse mistake imobservation. Coupled with Kap hanging on to the ball too long and the play sucks.
Below: SEA shows a two deep saftey look. This already should be odd because they rarely ever play two deep safties.


Below: The ball was just snapped. Notice the safeties. . SEA shows cover2, but will switch to cover1 as Chancellor drops to play the lone deep safety.


Below: Kap starts his dropback and he wants QP on the vertical route (may have been a back shoulder throw) and looks at the middle of the field to freeze the safties. His first key is ET. Kap sees that ET (#29) has stayed exactly where he was pre-snap. This let's Kap know that he has QP 1 on 1 down the sideline. Notice what is going on with Bennet vs Boone/Goodwin. Chancellor is seen dropping to his landmark in the deep center of the field.


Below: Kap now looks to QP who, in my view, runs a bit of a lazy route versus Maxwell's coverage. QP is covered and Kap will pull the ball down as he will sense pressure to his right. Boone and Goodwin still give up a pressure to Bennet. ADavis will allow Avril to run all the way around him.

Same moment as picture above


Below: Right before he gets stripped, Kap looks to Crabs.

Same moment as picture above


While Thurmond does slip covering Crabs, Kap's first read was QP. Kap could have stepped up into the pocket as opposed to scrambling left. He did eventually go back to Crabs, but Avril came just in time to strip the ball. QP runs a bit of a lazy route. Boone got turned. ET was not going to let Kap run and was actually playing as the spy as he beelines it to Kap once Kap starts his scramble.




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[ Edited by thl408 on Feb 16, 2014 at 11:46 AM ]
Whoops the screenshots came out too small. Use Ctrl and mouse wheel up.
Originally posted by thl408:





All I gotta say is God damn ET is FAST.
He was going to throw the ball to Vernon, who was breaking open. Kap never expected a pure whiff by Davis, he figured he might be able to at least TOUCH the guy for a half second.

The only mistake was not knowing the Davis would 100% whiff on the block.

Every single play has phantom "open" players, when you cherry pick through the film.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
He was going to throw the ball to Vernon, who was breaking open. Kap never expected a pure whiff by Davis, he figured he might be able to at least TOUCH the guy for a half second.

The only mistake was not knowing the Davis would 100% whiff on the block.

Every single play has phantom "open" players, when you cherry pick through the film.

I don't envy QBs. It's so easy to play a failed play in slow motion 40x over and say OH this guy screwed up, so and so was wide open. But in reality you get a ball, and have like 2-3 seconds to make 3-4 reads and throw the ball, meanwhile you have 1-3 230+ lb dudes just looking for an excuse to snap you in half.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
It may be the right decision to look to Crabtree when he had Sherman 1 on 1 with no safety help. But when Crabtree couldn't beat Sherman at any point from the start to the end of that route to get to the ball, it became the wrong decision to throw the ball. Pretty simple to understand when the play unfolded before our eyes. The only people that can't understand it, are the ones that think Kaep had no wrong to throw that ball or no wrong at all on that play.


You have to play the game.

If Shaquille O'Neal is in his prime and playing center, you can't just shoot three pointers all game. You have to actually go after him despite the fact that it is difficult. If you do nothing but avoid him the whole darn time, you will lose before halftime.

If its a one-on-one, you have to go after it. "He's the best corner in the league, therefore we can't throw to him." That mindset will get you killed by halftime, and you will never be in a position to try and win the game at the end.
Originally posted by zaghawk:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
He was going to throw the ball to Vernon, who was breaking open. Kap never expected a pure whiff by Davis, he figured he might be able to at least TOUCH the guy for a half second.

The only mistake was not knowing the Davis would 100% whiff on the block.

Every single play has phantom "open" players, when you cherry pick through the film.

I don't envy QBs. It's so easy to play a failed play in slow motion 40x over and say OH this guy screwed up, so and so was wide open. But in reality you get a ball, and have like 2-3 seconds to make 3-4 reads and throw the ball, meanwhile you have 1-3 230+ lb dudes just looking for an excuse to snap you in half.

I have no doubt Kap was looking to Crabs across the field right before he was stripped. I screwed up the screenshot by making it too small. Kap's head was turned to look across the field. VD was "in front" of Kap.

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[ Edited by thl408 on Feb 16, 2014 at 11:49 AM ]
Originally posted by BKpower:
This doesn't look like an AR-type play. The read on the top of the screen was isolated pretty much until Kaepernick's chest was facing the opposite sideline, and Chancellor appeared to be dropping into single-high until he saw that. Earl Thomas had shallower coverage but didn't turn towards the sideline until Kaepernick's body faced that sideline.

I wrote, "AR (one read)"...sorry, meant AR "or" one read (aka primary read) depending on the call. And now, the more I watch it, it appears the primary read was VD? B/c Patton's route looks sort of weak and half-assed despite being in single coverage. He just sorts of runs to the sidelines and turns around...not exactly selling anything there or trying hard to shake a DB to get open.

Also, Hunter flares out as an outlet and gets tackled.
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 17, 2014 at 12:39 PM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
I have no doubt Kap was looking to Crabs across the field right before he was stripped. I screwed up the screenshot by making it too small. Kap's head was turned to look across the field. VD was "in front" of Kap.

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I saw that too and he may have had Crabtree on that very deep post had he had an extra second there.