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Having Patience... Lessons learned from John Harbaugh & Joe Flacco

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Keep Roman till the playoffs then snap cut him for Jimmy Raye for the RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN offense
That core only won a single championship. Won't you feel disappointed with this group only finishing with 1 single title
Originally posted by Touchdownboy:
That core only won a single championship. Won't you feel disappointed with this group only finishing with 1 single title

My point is that we should be in the Super Bowl conversation for the next 5-10 years. You can't be concerned with what you haven't won or have yet to win. You can only focus on the fact that this team is doing all he right things in order to win another Lombardi.

And in a league of parity, no, I wouldn't be disappointed. Also, this group is going to change over time. Players will be added and players will leave, but we'll probably be making noise regardless... and that's what's important.
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Good past nicksh49, I hope history repeats its self but we have back to back trophies
I like it! Patience is right, NickSh49 - well said in your post here. Kap just finished up his first complete season as a starter and played a huge role in returning the Niners to the NFC Championship game and almost pulled this one out despite the TOs in the 4th quarter. He will continue to develop and get better as an NFL QB...and, continue to get coached up by Harbaugh. (A side note: The fact that he's still developing at this level is even more reason why I would have called a timeout right after Vernon caught that ball for a first down at the 18 yard line with around 50 seconds left...would have given the team time to think about what they want to run, get everyone on the same page, get Kap prepared and ready to make an adjustment at the line if needed, etc...and, they would've still had one timeout left...but, time to move on now). The future is bright, there is no window closing, and you just have to let it play out and have faith in how Harbaugh, Baalke, the players, and the franchise overall is continuously looking to improve each season.
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
I like it! Patience is right, NickSh49 - well said in your post here. Kap just finished up his first complete season as a starter and played a huge role in returning the Niners to the NFC Championship game and almost pulled this one out despite the TOs in the 4th quarter. He will continue to develop and get better as an NFL QB...and, continue to get coached up by Harbaugh. (A side note: The fact that he's still developing at this level is even more reason why I would have called a timeout right after Vernon caught that ball for a first down at the 18 yard line with around 50 seconds left...would have given the team time to think about what they want to run, get everyone on the same page, get Kap prepared and ready to make an adjustment at the line if needed, etc...and, they would've still had one timeout left...but, time to move on now). The future is bright, there is no window closing, and you just have to let it play out and have faith in how Harbaugh, Baalke, the players, and the franchise overall is continuously looking to improve each season.

The window is wide open.
If by wide open you mean more heart break. Then yes the window is as open as it can get. I honestly can not take a fourth season of having my heart ripped out. If you can,I give you props because your a better fan than me. I believe Harbaugh can't win the big game. He is just a tease. We are this decade's Eagles. Even if they do win a Super Bowl. My only thought would be that this team could of won more if kap and Harbaugh didn't suck when it mattered most.
Originally posted by Thechamp2987:
I believe Harbaugh can't win the big game. He is just a tease.

Ridiculous statement when you consider the difference between winning and losing has been mere inches. You don't make a wild statement like "he can't win the big game" based on inches. This guy wins playoff games every year. His odds are just as good if not better than any coach in the league.

We are this decade's Eagles. Even if they do win a Super Bowl. My only thought would be that this team could of won more if kap and Harbaugh didn't suck when it mattered most.

Couldn't you say that about any team/player/coach with championship aspirations? Montana could have won more. Young should have won more. Elway. Brady. Manning...take your pick. The key is being a contender every year. Harbaugh has us in a position to do that. It's far more likely to win one if we're consistently in the hunt. Being a flash in the pan, one-year wonder, is far less likely.
Originally posted by NickSh49:


No one wants to look at these two bums (especially after last year), but I'm gonna make you do it anyway. Let's make this quick.

In the spring of 2008, John Harbaugh became head coach of the Baltimore Ravens. That same year, Joe Flacco was drafted in the first round of the NFL Draft. That same year, the Ravens went 11-5, made the playoffs as a wildcard, and lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC Championship Game.

In 2009, the Ravens went 9-7, made the playoffs as a wildcard, and lost to the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC Divisional Game.

In 2010, the Ravens went 12-4, made the playoffs as a wildcard, and lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC Divisional Game.

In 2011, the Ravens went 12-4, won their division, and lost to the New England Patriots in the AFC Championship Game.

in 2012, the Ravens went 10-6, won their division, and won the Super Bowl against the San Francisco 49ers.


It took them five tries with a team that was originally 5-11 in 2007.


I believe our quarterback, our coach, and our team as a whole are better than those of the Baltimore Ravens.



Jim Harbaugh has been here three years. Colin Kaepernick has been the starting quarterback for a year and a half. That's not a lot of time when you take a step back and look at the big picture.

Have faith fellas. We're going to be in this fight for many years to come. The ride has just begun!

Go Niners.

Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by Kes8514:
Originally posted by sfout:
You know what they did that you didn't mention and Jim needs to copy from his brother?

Fire his offensive coordinator.....

Honest question, but did you have these feelings after the 2011 season when Alex Smith had his best season as a 49er?

Yes I did. I could tell that as much as people want to bash Smith it was a lot to do with scheme, Smith routinely made his "shot plays" and we were still barely scraping by on nothing but crazy D. This years O is almost identical to 2011 with only AS and is definitely identical with 2012 with either Smith or Kaepernick as QB. Only difference was they let Kaepernick be Kapeernick in the playoffs.

2012 Smith was having a career year and you could see that he was being held back. When he was hurt we saw 1 game of what it would be like with Colin running the unhinged version of the Alex Smith based O and then it disappeared.

I've never liked Greg Roman, however since Alex Smith was hurt I've realized the issue lays with Harbaugh, it is his experience and history with ancient offenses of the bo schembechler era that this offense is based of and unless Harbaugh has a drastic change in thinking we will be seeing these AR based run heavy offensive game plans for the next 10+ years.

What made Alex's time running the O different from Kaepernick's was that for all of Smith's negatives he had the veteran savvy that Kaepernick won't have for awhile longer. Alex was much better manipulating D's with his eyes and footwork than Kaepernick currently is.

Kaepernick will get there but this offense is holding him back.

On a slightly separate note, if anybody disagrees with the fact that firing Cameron and promoting Caldwell didn't propel them to that SB then I don't know what to say because they almost assuredly would've been a 1 and down in the playoffs again under Cameron's O.

Who cares what his offense is based on? He gets results everywhere he's been. He's 3 officiating gaffes (Bradshaw fumble, Jimmy Smith hold OR calling when Bruce Miller got blocked in back on Jacoby Jones' TD return, and Maragos roughing Lee) from having 3 count 'em THREE Super Bowl appearances in his first THREE years after inheriting a 6-10 team and at least one but up to 3 super bowl wins as well. I don't care if he took the Waterboy strategy of just kneeling every play. If he gets these kinds of results and we've been pretty clearly the best team in football not just cumulatively since he took over, but also each of the 3 seasons individually, then keep doing what you're doing.
Originally posted by sfout:
You know what they did that you didn't mention and Jim needs to copy from his brother?

Fire his offensive coordinator.....

This.

Also, if the refs do their jobs, they never win that Super Bowl.
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Originally posted by kap2crab:
Who cares what his offense is based on? He gets results everywhere he's been. He's 3 officiating gaffes (Bradshaw fumble, Jimmy Smith hold OR calling when Bruce Miller got blocked in back on Jacoby Jones' TD return, and Maragos roughing Lee) from having 3 count 'em THREE Super Bowl appearances in his first THREE years after inheriting a 6-10 team and at least one but up to 3 super bowl wins as well. I don't care if he took the Waterboy strategy of just kneeling every play. If he gets these kinds of results and we've been pretty clearly the best team in football not just cumulatively since he took over, but also each of the 3 seasons individually, then keep doing what you're doing.

Never place your destiny in the hands of the official. Win by your own will.....Somebody posted that quote from one of the UFC training rooms in this or another thread and while cheesy it is blatantly true. If we were truly the better team on the field that day there wouldn't be a question of who should/shouldn't win or an opportunity for the refs to screw it up....

Sorry but this team is handicapped whether you want to admit it or not.

We have NOT been the best team in football for 3 years. In 2011 we were because we caught the league offguard, in 2012. 2012 we were still top 5 but saying we were better than the 2012 Falcons, Broncos, or Patriots is laughable, playoff success from Kaepernick propelled us to the SB. Then this year we were easily behind Denver and Seattle.

We've been the most consistent team in football for 3 years because everybody knows we have an elite D and an offense that can get it done but not crush a team unless EVERYTHING goes our way.
Originally posted by Touchdownboy:
That core only won a single championship. Won't you feel disappointed with this group only finishing with 1 single title

We might not even get one.
Bold prediction: Levis Stadium will host a Championship win in its first year.

I'm booking us to go all the way next season, with all the bad-ass perks, 14-2 record, Bowman DPOY, and Kap All-Pro.