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I'm still proud of our team......

Lol, I thought you called them the reds**ts at first. I was like that's not optimistic...
So, my take is this ... in today's NFL you aren't going to be the 1980s 49ers or the 1990s Cowboys - the salary cap prevents a team from winning the SB every year. Parity makes it tough to be the unquestioned "best" year after year. Hell, the Patriots haven't won a SB in 10 years. But they are the model for success in today's NFL. So, are we like the Patriots? Yes, and no.

Why we are like the Patriots - we have a very good coaching staff. Say what you want about Harbaugh - the guy knows how to win and to get the most from his players. He is the best thing to happen to this franchise since the 1990s from a stability and credibility standpoint. We also have a very good front office, that hits on more young talent than it misses on and grabs key free agents without breaking the (long term) bank. The combination of good coaching and good personnel decisions means we have a foundation to be successful for a long, long time. Finally, we have talented players. And talent wins in this league.

Why we are not like the Patriots - we don't play the Jets, Dolphins, and Bills 6 times a year. Sorry, but the NFC West is the best division in football. It's going to remain competitive as hell for the next 5 years. So although we are very talented and have a great foundation, we can't rely on 11 wins, the first round bye, and home field advantage as much as the Patriots have in the Belichick era.

I like our team and think it will be very competitive for a long time under this regime. Will that translate to Lombardi trophies? You'd hope so. But even if all it translates into is a decade of playoff births and near misses (like the Patriots since 2005) I'll take it.
WE NEED BOLDIN
Originally posted by SportsFan:
Just so hard to think about right now. You figure the odds are stacked against us to keep going this deep into the playoffs and coming up short. I hope I am wrong and can't wait for the season to start already.


Yes, but it wasn't just luck that got the Niners to the NFC Championship game (in fact, we overcame quite a bit of bad luck to get there IMO). It was careful planning, roster-building, coaching, practice and execution. If we do those same things at the same level or better, we will do better next time.
At the end of the day still no one has it better than us. We fought a great battle and should have won that game and we all know it but we must not dwell on the past. As we look forward to the draft and free agency I see nothing but great things in the future! Could you imagine how our front office feels? This is just the begging of greatness! Ohh don't worry we will be back next year! And don't forget which team host Super Bowl 50??? Haha WHO COULD POSSIBLY HAVE IT BETTER THAN US!?!?! Nooooooooobodddyyyyyy!!!!! Seattle still has to win for anything to ever matter right? Lol
Originally posted by DelCed2486:
Well that's bold, telling fans which pronoun they should use when referencing the 49ers...I've lived and died with this team since the mid-70's, STH for 20+ yrs, and and have bought enough s*** with 'SF' or '49ers' on it to fill a warehouse. I don't say "we". I don't begrudge anyone else who does, but please don't be so cavalier as to tell me or any fan the words we should use.

uptight a little? Guess you missed the sarcasm
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
I am excited about the future of this team. I really want to see Lattimore in action before I say that he is the future at RB. From what I have seen of him in college, he has the talent, but I would not be surprised to see the coaching staff get rid of Hunter and Dixon. They really did not give Hunter any playing time after his injury, and as much as I like him, I think that is a very telling thing. Dixon and LMJ got more PT by the end of the season.

I would not be surprised if we roll with Gore, Lattimore, LMJ, and a rookie at RB.

The defense is going to be something to watch as well. I think the plan was to draft Reid to not only replace Goldson, but to give him a year to learn next to Whitner. I think Whitner is gone, and Reid becomes the leader in the secondary. I think you might see them bring in someone like Bernard Pollard to replace Whitner, and Reid will dictate coverages.

Tank, Dial, and Ian Williams should provide nice depth, but until they see action, I am cautiously optimistic. I do like the idea of keeping a rotation there similar to how the OLBs rotated with Skuta.

As for the offense, until Harbaugh gets three things into a regular portion of the passing attack, I think the offense is going to hold this team back.

1) RB screens: How many times can teams stack the box with 8 and 9, and he never uses that aggression against them? This has to be addressed. A simple way to counter is to dump off to a screen pass. It may not always work, but it does get the defense thinking about it, and causes hesitation to charge upfield. Right now, when a team blitzes the Niners it is so obvious that they are not thinking about anything other than the blitz. The Niners and Cardinals ran screens less than any other team in the league, for what it is worth.

2) PA pass out of pro sets: Same reason as above. Perfect example was this last game. Seattle was charging into the backfield to stuff our run. 8 or 9 in the box almost every time. It would have been perfect for Roman to set up an I-formation, and fake the hand off and look deep. Most of the PA passes that this offense runs are out of the shotgun, and are not nearly as effective. If you want to see an example of the play I am referring too, just look up the Roddy White TD from this year's game against the Falcons. It was text book. We have the talent for this. We don't use it.

3) Kap check downs. Harbaugh, Roman, and Chryst really need to figure this out. Of the 5 games the team lost this year, several defenses were giving up big space underneath for Kap to check down to. He just did not see them. I think this is a simple fix really. I would rather take a QB that throws a great deep ball and teach him how to check down than a QB with a noodle arm that can do nothing but check down. Shawn Hill comes to mind. It worked until defenses figured out he could not throw deep. Then he was toast.

All in all I think we are in for a good long run, but it is time that this offense catches up with the defense. Not to go all John Madden here, but teams that can score TDs win. Teams that rely on their kicker to do most of their scoring do not. I think Steve Young said something like, "every time you kick a field goal, you are closer to a loss". I want to see this team go in with that mentality.
Totally agree that screen (and draws and more convincing play-action ) need to be incorporated. It just seems at times JH and Roman over coached the playcalling too. Also, I think they need to tailor the offense around Kaeps abilities a bit more.

I kind of disagree about Gore. At times it was painful to watch him run into walls. As a down field and pass blocker he's the best back on the roster. But it was painfully obvious that as a runner he's just our of gas. I honestly think he should retire. If not then the coaching staff should really do the right thing and sideline him, or at least seriously bring him in to ice games. But if Lattimore shows us anything in camp and preseason I don't think Gore should be the starter going forward. All good things must come to an end, and that time is now for Gore. Our offense needs to get more explosive and I'm not so confident that's gonna happen with Gore.
We will lose some key players for sure. Possibly some coaches as well.

I think we all know 49ers will be in the running again next year for Super Bowl. What can put us over the top is:
1. Health
2. Learning from mistakes
3. Rookie and 2nd yr contributions
4. Free Agent signings.

Its great that we have Dial, Tank, Lattimore etc. all healthy for next season (assumingly) but if they dont produce then its not helping much. We need Bowman to be healthy cause he is our best defensive player IMO. I would also like some changes to the offensive play calling. screens, check downs etc. incorporated more rather than the same runs up the middle and 10+yd throws that are low %.
After last year's superbowl loss I was very confident that we'd get back there this year and win it all but of course that didn't happen. Now I'm much more pessimistic about our chances for next season. First we need to improve our team with the draft and free agency and resign our key FA's (Boldin). Next thing that needs to happen which is basically be lucky enough to not have serious injuries during the season. It's gonna be a tough road back and with Arizona on our heels and Seattle at a powerhouse level we have to get better than this season to win it all.
Besides all the obvious reasons the main one that will make me confident is if i hear kaep is working his ass off no more commercials no more pics of him at the beach with a dolphins hat on. All i want to hear from him this off season is that he is spending all day working on his mechanics progressions and reads. I'm not saying hes not allowed to have fun and have a off season to but seriously he is the leader of this team and he made a lot of mistakes this season which can be corrected by a ton of film study and practice on the field. If i hear he did that then i'll be confident.
I'm not confident at all with a QB who can only do 1 read and can't play from the pocket. You can't win with that ever. Not unless he improves and progresses. FA departures, salary cap ramifications, Justin Smith and Frank Gore getting older. We can't keep messing up these opportunities and we did 3 years in a row.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Piss bro, pure piss.


this. I'm the third piss glass at the moment.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
I am excited about the future of this team. I really want to see Lattimore in action before I say that he is the future at RB. From what I have seen of him in college, he has the talent, but I would not be surprised to see the coaching staff get rid of Hunter and Dixon. They really did not give Hunter any playing time after his injury, and as much as I like him, I think that is a very telling thing. Dixon and LMJ got more PT by the end of the season.

I would not be surprised if we roll with Gore, Lattimore, LMJ, and a rookie at RB.

The defense is going to be something to watch as well. I think the plan was to draft Reid to not only replace Goldson, but to give him a year to learn next to Whitner. I think Whitner is gone, and Reid becomes the leader in the secondary. I think you might see them bring in someone like Bernard Pollard to replace Whitner, and Reid will dictate coverages.

Tank, Dial, and Ian Williams should provide nice depth, but until they see action, I am cautiously optimistic. I do like the idea of keeping a rotation there similar to how the OLBs rotated with Skuta.

As for the offense, until Harbaugh gets three things into a regular portion of the passing attack, I think the offense is going to hold this team back.

1) RB screens: How many times can teams stack the box with 8 and 9, and he never uses that aggression against them? This has to be addressed. A simple way to counter is to dump off to a screen pass. It may not always work, but it does get the defense thinking about it, and causes hesitation to charge upfield. Right now, when a team blitzes the Niners it is so obvious that they are not thinking about anything other than the blitz. The Niners and Cardinals ran screens less than any other team in the league, for what it is worth.

2) PA pass out of pro sets: Same reason as above. Perfect example was this last game. Seattle was charging into the backfield to stuff our run. 8 or 9 in the box almost every time. It would have been perfect for Roman to set up an I-formation, and fake the hand off and look deep. Most of the PA passes that this offense runs are out of the shotgun, and are not nearly as effective. If you want to see an example of the play I am referring too, just look up the Roddy White TD from this year's game against the Falcons. It was text book. We have the talent for this. We don't use it.

3) Kap check downs. Harbaugh, Roman, and Chryst really need to figure this out. Of the 5 games the team lost this year, several defenses were giving up big space underneath for Kap to check down to. He just did not see them. I think this is a simple fix really. I would rather take a QB that throws a great deep ball and teach him how to check down than a QB with a noodle arm that can do nothing but check down. Shawn Hill comes to mind. It worked until defenses figured out he could not throw deep. Then he was toast.

All in all I think we are in for a good long run, but it is time that this offense catches up with the defense. Not to go all John Madden here, but teams that can score TDs win. Teams that rely on their kicker to do most of their scoring do not. I think Steve Young said something like, "every time you kick a field goal, you are closer to a loss". I want to see this team go in with that mentality.
Totally agree that screen (and draws and more convincing play-action ) need to be incorporated. It just seems at times JH and Roman over coached the playcalling too. Also, I think they need to tailor the offense around Kaeps abilities a bit more.

I kind of disagree about Gore. At times it was painful to watch him run into walls. As a down field and pass blocker he's the best back on the roster. But it was painfully obvious that as a runner he's just our of gas. I honestly think he should retire. If not then the coaching staff should really do the right thing and sideline him, or at least seriously bring him in to ice games. But if Lattimore shows us anything in camp and preseason I don't think Gore should be the starter going forward. All good things must come to an end, and that time is now for Gore. Our offense needs to get more explosive and I'm not so confident that's gonna happen with Gore.

I don't disagree that he is on the decline, but I just don't see them starting the season without him as the #1 back. If anything, I think they go in with a similar plan that they had this year, but give him even less carries (still the most on the team) until one of these other guys steps up enough to carry the load. Even without the speed, Gore's vision makes him a very good starter in this league. It is up to the coaching staff to decide, so we shall see.
too dam early after a loss for me
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I'm not confident at all with a QB who can only do 1 read and can't play from the pocket. You can't win with that ever. Not unless he improves and progresses. FA departures, salary cap ramifications, Justin Smith and Frank Gore getting older. We can't keep messing up these opportunities and we did 3 years in a row.

You say that as if we have another choice. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are not walking through that door, and if they did our OL would get them killed. Kaepernick is a young QB, and has done more in his first two years than some guys have over their entire careers. He has not reached his ceiling, and I think he is far away from it. That is a scary thought for opposing defenses.
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