Originally posted by Puckdaddy:
Originally posted by bpg4980:
Look, I am the first to say that the refs hurt us badly with several calls. And I'm still very angry about that, and it may have cost us the game. We'll never know how different the play calling would have been, what would have happened on the drive that should have been extended for roughing Lee, and how that would have affected Seattle's strategy on their next drive etc. Obviously the running into the kicker was huge, but the Carlos Rogers BOGUS personal foul may have really hurt us too. The ball should have been at the 35 yard line with 20 seconds left in the 1st half and we had all 3 of our timeouts. We have a clutch kicker, and any defense has no choice but to play it soft to make sure they don't give up a TD, so there is very little chance we kneel if we're 15 yards closer as we should have been. We had a great chance at getting into FG range taken away by the refs, and the score could have easily been 13-3. The way the game played out we could have really used that opportunity.
But those of you who truly think that the NFL wanted Seattle in the SB need to think about 2 things that nearly 100% squash this. The first is that the Niners win if Kaep throws the ball 3-4 higher or farther on the tip. Why does that matter? Because Seattle simply wouldn't have had enough time (without a huge play that the refs could not manufacture for them) to get into position for a game winning FG. There was less than 30 seconds left and Seattle had one timeout. Yes, they would have a 10 or 15% chance to win, but why would the NFL allow the game to even be winnable for the Niners if there was truly a conspiracy? If you want to say the game was fixed to be close, I don't buy it, but you can believe that if you want to. Just don't say they didn't want us to win, because they aren't in control of that if Kaep makes a better throw, or better yet decides not to attack the best corner in the league with the game on the line. Again, the refs hurt us (by random chance IMO) with more bad calls in Seattle's favor than ours, but they did NOT do it just to sabotage us. To think that they did ignores reality. The second reason that the fix is not in is that it doesn't need to be. What happens if the one of the refs goes to the media with proof that the NFL is the WWE? Do you know how much a media outlet would pay for that story if the ref had proof? And more importantly, how entirely DEAD the league would be if it was thought to be fixing games? Why would the NFL, in an effort to make the SB 10-20% more watched risk 100% of the billions and billions they have with a legit product? If you were Bill Gates, would you bet your life savings on a hand of Blackjack if the payout for winning was far less than you were betting?
So yes, those of you saying that it's a multi-billionaire league that would clearly prefer that certain teams win (generally bigger market teams like say NY or SF) are correct. But again, if anything the league would want us in, not out. Bad calls are a part of the game even with replay, we got screwed on Sunday and we'll be screwed again. But so will our opponents, and every other team in the league from time to time. And it will be coincidence and not malice when it does happen.
Again, the worst thing you can do when critically thinking is cancel out possibilities due to a speculative assumption or outcome. In every one of the "the NFL cannot possibly have it out against us" responses, the posters reasoning begins with this one mistake. The Seahawks are a good team. In this game of inches, opportunity, evenly matched teams, and momentum it does not take sabotaging the game up until the last second to reach a desired outcome. Now how do you know that had Crabs caught the ball some last second flag would not have been thrown? Or some blatant hold not get called on the return? Sherman made a good play, and so did Bow, Whitner, Rogers, but somehow our good plays did not translate to a win or even be acknowledged.
Not allowing the game to be a blowout gives a false sense of competition and adds a dramatic effect in football WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE MOST PROFITABLE GENRE OF TELEVISION.
This argument speculates more than I was by saying that they could have thrown a flag had the pass to Crabtree been complete. If you really think the refs waited to see the results and then would just call a phantom call on us after the play was over, then I'm going to go ahead and bow out of the discussion. What if we scored again after a phantom hold or offensive PI call? They'd throw another imaginary flag and continue doing so until Seattle won? Is that within the realm of possibilities? I guess. But you have zero proof that that would have happened, zero proof that the NFL benefits from Seattle in the SB instead of us (I'd guess we can prove the opposite), and more importantly the NFL would be risking far more in betting the already MASSIVE empire to simply get a couple of extra million viewers for a game for which the advertising spots have likely already been sold.
Please lay out why the league would risk everything
for so little benefit. Is betting your house on something (even if it's likely to be a winning bet) worth winning a tiny chunk of what your house is already worth? And if you do believe this is happening, why do you watch at all? If the Niners win, that would have been at least somewhat predetermined too, and therefore there is no substance to it. If you really believe your own argument, you simply have to stop watching these tainted, fictional events.
How easy it is for one team to get the benefit of 3 or 4 bad calls in a row? Remember, if a coin comes up heads 3 flips in a row, the chances that it's going to be heads again on the next flip are still exactly 50%. We got screwed on several calls, but there will be a team that will be on the wrong side of more calls in just about every game that is played from now until the end of time. We feel worse about this one and it feels less fair to fanatics like us because they happened in a huge game against our rival. Had this happened in a regular season game against the Browns, would you be saying the outcome was manipulated? I know, I know the NFL doesn't care as much about that game, but neither do the fans are therefore we are more likely to overreact to the NFC championship than a nondescript regular season game. Our bias is just as strong as the perceived bias that the NFL would have. We got screwed on some really bad calls, and the refs hurt our chance to win. But there is FAR more likelihood that was because of random officiating ineptitude rather than some conspiracy by the league. I will listen to the argument that the refs are a bit swayed by the home crowd, especially in a rabid environment like Seattle. They are human, after all. But to think the league is some kind of puppet master that never has never had a bad seed expose them for full fledged cheating is far fetched to put it kindly.
[ Edited by bpg4980 on Jan 22, 2014 at 3:19 PM ]