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Are the Niners good with a hurry-up offense?

If we scripted the first 20 plays with no line checks we could run a hurry up offense. That should take the crowd out of the game. Don't give those drunk seachickens a chance to catch their breath. Eventually they would all lose their voice by half time.
  • Jd925
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Those cute multi-movement plays didn't work too well for Stanford either. During their Orange Bowl win in Harbaugh's last year they were winning in almost every way but stalled when they went into what I call the "Rockette's Routine" offense.

Lol. That's funny you mention that. I noticed some of that even though I didn't watch too many Stanford games. It's fun and neat to watch creative things, but the bottomline is that the play design has to be worth all the trouble and complication. Yeah the more complicated the play is, the harder it is to execute especially with all the noise. I think Pete Carroll mentioned after Week 2 he couldn't understand why the Niners made things so complicated calling plays. I think Carroll was being up front. We were beating ourselves a lot of times. Carroll keeps things basic and let's his players execute. It's especially important to simplify things when the environment makes it difficult to execute. Oh wells. It is what it is and we have who we have calling the shots. I don't expect much to change, so I hope Kap saves us.
Originally posted by vermonator:
Roman used the no-huddle (2 minute drill), in the first series in week 2 against the Seahawks and went three and out, he abandoned it right after. I felt he should have stuck to it, but they never used it again until it was too late.

The game was 12-3 at the end of the third quarter so they did have time to use it more. They did have success with it in the third--five yards--so it could of might of been successful if used more. The one in the first was on second down and gave them a third and 6...at which point Kaepernick hit Miller for a five yard pass. Not sure why they abandoned it...might not have been a strong part of their game plan.

One of the most frustrating thing about this team over the past year are the number of first downs they have had inside the opponents ten that did not result in a TD. And interception on the Seattle one ended the second series.

Seattle scored seventeen points in the fourth quarter making the game seem one-sided when it really wasn't.
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Originally posted by kray28:
Hurry up offenses work for the simple reason that they can tire a defense out and also deprive it of the ability to substitute. But they also hurt the team doing the scoring because they put the scoring team's defense that much sooner back on the field and also limit TOP.

You can use it at the end of the half....or spring it on the defense when they aren't expecting once or twice. But it's not a sustainable style of offense.
I agree it's probably not a good idea to run it the whole game.

I'm not that worried about the Seattle offense. The hurry-up will give more offensive opportunities to both teams and I think we'll gain the advantage there. Seattle is more of a power-run team with Lynch so I think Seattle wants more of a conservative ball control slug fest than we do. Who do they have at WR? Baldwin? Tate? Zach Miller? I can't believe Wilson gets that much production from the limited talent he has at WR/TE. I mean even if we open the game up, Wilson is dangerous, but I would prefer a slightly more open game than a ball-control slug fest. I would focus all the attention on containing Wilson & Lynch and not worry much about the rest of the Seattle offense. Remember Carson Palmer threw 4 interceptions (2 in the endzone) and Arizona still beat Seattle at home. The Arizona defense played a great game, but we have the talent to do the same thing.

We also want to neutralize the Seattle pash rush because when Avril/Bennett can time the last second snap with the crowd noise they can put a lot of pressure. The hurry-up makes it more difficult... Anyways I agree that it's not good to run a hurry-up all game, but you can take the crowd out the game early on and if you can get up 7/10 pts and quiet the crowd a bit you can start slowing things down and command the tempo. Whenever you need to take the crowd noise out you can run the hurry-up.
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
The game was 12-3 at the end of the third quarter so they did have time to use it more. They did have success with it in the third--five yards--so it could of might of been successful if used more. The one in the first was on second down and gave them a third and 6...at which point Kaepernick hit Miller for a five yard pass. Not sure why they abandoned it...might not have been a strong part of their game plan.

One of the most frustrating thing about this team over the past year are the number of first downs they have had inside the opponents ten that did not result in a TD. And interception on the Seattle one ended the second series.

Seattle scored seventeen points in the fourth quarter making the game seem one-sided when it really wasn't.

Interesting.. Yeah I do agree the redzone offense is definitely an issue. We are ranked #14 at 53.97% in 2013, ranked #15 at 54.69% in 2012, and #30 at 40.69% in 2011. However the Niners are still winning so it goes to show you how good the Niner defense is.

It seems like the Niners are trying to open it up a little lately and do different things in the red zone which is good start. We'll see.
Originally posted by Jd925:
Interesting.. Yeah I do agree the redzone offense is definitely an issue. We are ranked #14 at 53.97% in 2013, ranked #15 at 54.69% in 2012, and #30 at 40.69% in 2011. However the Niners are still winning so it goes to show you how good the Niner defense is.

It seems like the Niners are trying to open it up a little lately and do different things in the red zone which is good start. We'll see.

All true! I think the RZ will improve as they trust Kaepernick more and he trusts more receivers. The game will slow down for him and he will relax a bit. At least that's my hope.
I have been fricken saying this since WEEK 1
Originally posted by Jd925:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Problem with the hurry up is that the plays have to be called in advance and this team has shown no ability to do this and line up in a timely manner. I've wanted them to do this all season because I think Kaepernick will kill defenses in a hurry up. What I'd love to see is the hurry up after a first down when Seattle is trying to change personnel. If they install two or three packages to use with Kaepernick just holding up a hand sign at the line...could be very effective.

Good stuff. I agree. I just googled 'two-minute drill' and got this:
Successful two-minute drill puts 49ers ahead (vs Seahawks in Dec.)
Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2013/12/halftime-successful-two-minute-drill-puts-49ers-ahead.html#storylink=cpy

LOL. The ONLY touchdown the 49ers have scored against the Seahawks in two games this season was a two-minute drill!
ONE touchdown in TWO games and that came on a two-minute drill. WOW and OUCH!

Good find!

I say our offense is due!
Originally posted by Jd925:
I agree it's probably not a good idea to run it the whole game.

I'm not that worried about the Seattle offense. The hurry-up will give more offensive opportunities to both teams and I think we'll gain the advantage there. Seattle is more of a power-run team with Lynch so I think Seattle wants more of a conservative ball control slug fest than we do. Who do they have at WR? Baldwin? Tate? Zach Miller? I can't believe Wilson gets that much production from the limited talent he has at WR/TE. I mean even if we open the game up, Wilson is dangerous, but I would prefer a slightly more open game than a ball-control slug fest. I would focus all the attention on containing Wilson & Lynch and not worry much about the rest of the Seattle offense. Remember Carson Palmer threw 4 interceptions (2 in the endzone) and Arizona still beat Seattle at home. The Arizona defense played a great game, but we have the talent to do the same thing.

We also want to neutralize the Seattle pash rush because when Avril/Bennett can time the last second snap with the crowd noise they can put a lot of pressure. The hurry-up makes it more difficult... Anyways I agree that it's not good to run a hurry-up all game, but you can take the crowd out the game early on and if you can get up 7/10 pts and quiet the crowd a bit you can start slowing things down and command the tempo. Whenever you need to take the crowd noise out you can run the hurry-up.

One thing you can do is call two plays in a huddle, and then go no-huddle for the play after next.

You can also go no huddle, just for the purpose of getting to the LOS with plenty of time left on the playclock and then milk the clock down while trying to draw the defense offsides. This would obviously depend on Roman getting the play called in a timely fashion.
[ Edited by kray28 on Jan 19, 2014 at 7:35 AM ]