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What is Kaeps worth....?

What is Kaeps worth....?

Originally posted by Touchdownboy1980:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Throw away a top ten franchise quarterback, and put the franchise on the shoulders of a random second round pick.

I see. Gotcha.

I have confidence in the coaching staff finding another Colin Kaepernick or Alex Smith. Plus imagine the quality of draft picks we could receive in return for a trade.

Giving Kaepernick right now the keys to the franchise for the next 7+ years is premature.

Hate to break it to you, but someone has to drive. Id rather give the keys to Kap than some roll of the dice prospect. By the time a new player is ready to lead us to a title, many of our current stars will be in their twilight years.

Trying to draft a QB who will be BETTER than Kap is an enormous gamble. They dont grow on trees. You think if it were that easy, the Cowboys, Ravens, and Bears wouldve given their QB's mega deals?

There is SO much lingering bitterness by Niner fans who cant cope with having their heart broken any other way than directing all the blame to Kap.

Hes going to be just fine. He looked like garbage in SEA his first 2 tries, but he showed major improvements. There is still plenty of room for him to grow. Tossing him out before be reaches his full potential would be the biggest mistake in franchise history. Which is why it wont happen.

Find a Chargers fan and ask him "why didnt you keep Drew Brees?"
Originally posted by Niners99:
Hate to break it to you, but someone has to drive. Id rather give the keys to Kap than some roll of the dice prospect. By the time a new player is ready to lead us to a title, many of our current stars will be in their twilight years.

Trying to draft a QB who will be BETTER than Kap is an enormous gamble. They dont grow on trees. You think if it were that easy, the Cowboys, Ravens, and Bears wouldve given their QB's mega deals?

There is SO much lingering bitterness by Niner fans who cant cope with having their heart broken any other way than directing all the blame to Kap.

Hes going to be just fine. He looked like garbage in SEA his first 2 tries, but he showed major improvements. There is still plenty of room for him to grow. Tossing him out before be reaches his full potential would be the biggest mistake in franchise history. Which is why it wont happen.

Find a Chargers fan and ask him "why didnt you keep Drew Brees?"

Kaepernick is practically playing for free. No one is getting rid of him this year and probably not next year either. But in 2 seasons, if we still haven't broke thru with a title it might be time to hit the reset button and let the coaching staff try one more time.

Rivers was a fine consolation prize. Ultimately it was the front office and lack of defense that held back the Chargers not losing Brees. Remember that year New Orleans won a title, it was BountyGate and their defense put Warner and Favre into retirement
Originally posted by InglewoodCA9ers:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
I understand what you both are saying...but...it is an option. While the tag is pricey...when you average it in with the fact that he'll make what, 900 k this season? Suddenly it looks pretty cheap. The threat of it will certainly be used in negotiating with the agent. "Yeah he's worth 16-18 million per year but this year he'll get 1..so let's average that in to a 6 year contract and we're looking at 14 million a year and call it a 6 year 85-90 million dollar contract."

If his agent doesn't budge, letting him play out his contract gives the 9ers a chance to keep the roster around him..maybe even improve it for another season..that is big.

This is an excellent point! You have a genius outlook on this. Use the rookie wage as leverage to negotiate a very reasonable rate for us! I can live with $14 mil annually as a fan but then I aibt Kap or Jed either

yes!! An excellent idea Jake. That sounds fair to me PIT, plus I also think Dalton's extension's gonna be more of a low ball reasonable contract due to his poor PLYOFF performance in a weak AFC. Now, do you think Kap would do smthg like this? How much do u think should be guaranteed?

This doesn't sound realistic unless it's a short term deal. Six years would be a long time to give up the going rate. Of course, Kaepernick may not have confidence to roll the dice next year but that would surprise me. He seems pretty confident and aware of himself. One thing that could make his agent reasonable would be a number of top QBs coming into FAcy at the end of next year. Not sure how many there will be but if the market is glutted his price may go down...other than that the team has to hope he wants to keep his team strong and knows that's good for him in the long run--giving a discount toward that end.
Here are the FA QBs for 2015...not a particularly strong group.


http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php?Position=QB&Year=2015

Newton and Kaepernick on the market at the same time would be intriguing!
Originally posted by Touchdownboy1980:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Hate to break it to you, but someone has to drive. Id rather give the keys to Kap than some roll of the dice prospect. By the time a new player is ready to lead us to a title, many of our current stars will be in their twilight years.

Trying to draft a QB who will be BETTER than Kap is an enormous gamble. They dont grow on trees. You think if it were that easy, the Cowboys, Ravens, and Bears wouldve given their QB's mega deals?

There is SO much lingering bitterness by Niner fans who cant cope with having their heart broken any other way than directing all the blame to Kap.

Hes going to be just fine. He looked like garbage in SEA his first 2 tries, but he showed major improvements. There is still plenty of room for him to grow. Tossing him out before be reaches his full potential would be the biggest mistake in franchise history. Which is why it wont happen.

Find a Chargers fan and ask him "why didnt you keep Drew Brees?"

Kaepernick is practically playing for free. No one is getting rid of him this year and probably not next year either. But in 2 seasons, if we still haven't broke thru with a title it might be time to hit the reset button and let the coaching staff try one more time.

Rivers was a fine consolation prize. Ultimately it was the front office and lack of defense that held back the Chargers not losing Brees. Remember that year New Orleans won a title, it was BountyGate and their defense put Warner and Favre into retirement

All waiting is going to do is make us look cheap and break trust with Kap.

Rivers was a fine consolation prize if you dont mind never winning a Super Bowl. Hes never been good enough, regardless of the rest of his team. The year NO got in trouble for BountyGate was 2011, not 2009.

It is incredibly unrealistic to make Kap win a title if he wants fair market value. Especially when crappy QB's are getting that kind of money. You pay him 100 mil because hes going to keep you contending for a title for years, not because he already won one.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Touchdownboy1980:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Hate to break it to you, but someone has to drive. Id rather give the keys to Kap than some roll of the dice prospect. By the time a new player is ready to lead us to a title, many of our current stars will be in their twilight years.

Trying to draft a QB who will be BETTER than Kap is an enormous gamble. They dont grow on trees. You think if it were that easy, the Cowboys, Ravens, and Bears wouldve given their QB's mega deals?

There is SO much lingering bitterness by Niner fans who cant cope with having their heart broken any other way than directing all the blame to Kap.

Hes going to be just fine. He looked like garbage in SEA his first 2 tries, but he showed major improvements. There is still plenty of room for him to grow. Tossing him out before be reaches his full potential would be the biggest mistake in franchise history. Which is why it wont happen.

Find a Chargers fan and ask him "why didnt you keep Drew Brees?"

Kaepernick is practically playing for free. No one is getting rid of him this year and probably not next year either. But in 2 seasons, if we still haven't broke thru with a title it might be time to hit the reset button and let the coaching staff try one more time.

Rivers was a fine consolation prize. Ultimately it was the front office and lack of defense that held back the Chargers not losing Brees. Remember that year New Orleans won a title, it was BountyGate and their defense put Warner and Favre into retirement

All waiting is going to do is make us look cheap and break trust with Kap.

Rivers was a fine consolation prize if you dont mind never winning a Super Bowl. Hes never been good enough, regardless of the rest of his team. The year NO got in trouble for BountyGate was 2011, not 2009.

It is incredibly unrealistic to make Kap win a title if he wants fair market value. Especially when crappy QB's are getting that kind of money. You pay him 100 mil because hes going to keep you contending for a title for years, not because he already won one.


Plus Rivers being a nice consolation prize doesnt make sense when you remember Brees won a title. The only thing Rivers won is a whole lot of derp meme pictures.

You take care of players early so they stay. It makes other players want to come play for the team. Waiting too long makes you look cheap, and nobody wants to play for a cheap team.
Originally posted by Niners99:
All waiting is going to do is make us look cheap and break trust with Kap.

Rivers was a fine consolation prize if you dont mind never winning a Super Bowl. Hes never been good enough, regardless of the rest of his team. The year NO got in trouble for BountyGate was 2011, not 2009.

It is incredibly unrealistic to make Kap win a title if he wants fair market value. Especially when crappy QB's are getting that kind of money. You pay him 100 mil because hes going to keep you contending for a title for years, not because he already won one.
I agree Kap should be paid but it should be obvious to him and us he has to leave food for others to eat at the table after seeing how he fared without VD and Crab this year. He also had to lean on Q and the running game. He can't beat SEA alone and neither can Manning. This team is about winning and we have to field a team to do it. We are not trying to win some QB skills contest we are trying to win a Super Bowl and we need Kap and a great team around him to do it!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Here are the FA QBs for 2015...not a particularly strong group.


http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php?Position=QB&Year=2015

Newton and Kaepernick on the market at the same time would be intriguing!

Dalton and Smith are part of that group, but Alex will be signed longer in short order.
Originally posted by Niners99:
All waiting is going to do is make us look cheap and break trust with Kap.

Rivers was a fine consolation prize if you dont mind never winning a Super Bowl. Hes never been good enough, regardless of the rest of his team. The year NO got in trouble for BountyGate was 2011, not 2009.

It is incredibly unrealistic to make Kap win a title if he wants fair market value. Especially when crappy QB's are getting that kind of money. You pay him 100 mil because hes going to keep you contending for a title for years, not because he already won one.

Who cares "if we look cheap" we will continue winning games. As we did this early-mid season when Kaepernick was performing like a Rookie.

Bountygate: "The pool was alleged to have been in operation from 2009 (the year in which the Saints won Super Bowl XLIV) to 2011."

The Saints have a trophy in their case because of their brutalizing cheap shot defense that put Warner and Farve into retirement and then beat Peyton around.

Chargers weren't winning a title with Drew Brees. They didn't have the coaching staff, front office or defense (49ers have each)
Originally posted by Touchdownboy1980:
Originally posted by Niners99:
All waiting is going to do is make us look cheap and break trust with Kap.

Rivers was a fine consolation prize if you dont mind never winning a Super Bowl. Hes never been good enough, regardless of the rest of his team. The year NO got in trouble for BountyGate was 2011, not 2009.

It is incredibly unrealistic to make Kap win a title if he wants fair market value. Especially when crappy QB's are getting that kind of money. You pay him 100 mil because hes going to keep you contending for a title for years, not because he already won one.

Who cares "if we look cheap" we will continue winning games. As we did this early-mid season when Kaepernick was performing like a Rookie.

Bountygate: "The pool was alleged to have been in operation from 2009 (the year in which the Saints won Super Bowl XLIV) to 2011."

The Saints have a trophy in their case because of their brutalizing cheap shot defense that put Warner and Farve into retirement and then beat Peyton around.

Chargers weren't winning a title with Drew Brees. They didn't have the coaching staff, front office or defense (49ers have each)

Looking cheap isnt the big deal. Making Kap feel like we dont trust or believe in him is the big deal.

Hes up for a new contract fair and square, hes been playing great for peanuts this entire time, and we came within inches of a probable SB title each of the last 2 years hes been the QB. Its time to pay him. Making him play out his final year for peanuts again, and then franchising him in 2015 is an overly cautious and unfair move.

Sometimes its more important to say "We believe in you for the future, here is a reward for what youve done and what you will do, and heres our plan around this offer for the rest of the team". Players dont want to play for cheapy owners who make them risk injury playing out contract years and showing no faith in their future.

Youre thinking of this way too much based on numbers and business. Theres a personal factor here too, and the Niners sending the message of "We'll just see how things play out...." instead of paying him what he deserves is going to come off poorly.
My guess is that the pros running the 49ers are working on the assumption that a QB like Kaepernick will keep progressing and will not be "performing like a Rookie" next year and in the future. Besides, even in what most would call a down year, Kaepernick started coming on strong and "getting it" towards the end of last season. His average QB Rating for his last 10 games was 100.6 - that's an average of over 100 pts QB rating. If he keeps that up, he'll be a top five QB next season. In fact, his cumulative QB rating for the entire 2013 season was 91.6 which was good enough to be rated at #10 - not bad for a "down year" in which he struggled for long stretches.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Here are the FA QBs for 2015...not a particularly strong group.


http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php?Position=QB&Year=2015

Newton and Kaepernick on the market at the same time would be intriguing!

Cam wont make it to FA, he will get his 5th yr option picked up soon.
Originally posted by Touchdownboy1980:
Who cares "if we look cheap" we will continue winning games. As we did this early-mid season when Kaepernick was performing like a Rookie.

Bountygate: "The pool was alleged to have been in operation from 2009 (the year in which the Saints won Super Bowl XLIV) to 2011."

The Saints have a trophy in their case because of their brutalizing cheap shot defense that put Warner and Farve into retirement and then beat Peyton around.

Chargers weren't winning a title with Drew Brees. They didn't have the coaching staff, front office or defense (49ers have each)


NAME a 10 million a year quaterback who in the playoffs, would have beaten Green Bay last year, who would have beaten Atlanta last year, who would have beaten Green Bay this year, who would have beaten Carolina this year.
Originally posted by crake49:
My guess is that the pros running the 49ers are working on the assumption that a QB like Kaepernick will keep progressing and will not be "performing like a Rookie" next year and in the future. Besides, even in what most would call a down year, Kaepernick started coming on strong and "getting it" towards the end of last season. His average QB Rating for his last 10 games was 100.6 - that's an average of over 100 pts QB rating. If he keeps that up, he'll be a top five QB next season. In fact, his cumulative QB rating for the entire 2013 season was 91.6 which was good enough to be rated at #10 - not bad for a "down year" in which he struggled for long stretches.


Funny what having an entire TWO WR's on the roster can do for a player.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Funny what having an entire TWO WR's on the roster can do for a player.

Yes, I'm guessing most elite franchise QB's would also struggle under those circumstances, especially when facing top 6 defenses over 60% of the time.