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What is Kaeps worth....?

What is Kaeps worth....?

Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Can't argue with success...unless you are prone to arguing.

You can argue with the moronic meme that the QB wins games alone.

Funny...I didn't see that anywhere...except in your post...are you being self deprecating?
Originally posted by Gavintech:
You realize QBs don't have W/L records, right? You know that of all the crazy statistics the NFL keeps on its players W/L records are not one of them, right?

If you didn't now you do. But do you know why?

I didn't say whether the NFL kept stats on Kap or not. I said I don't care if he is running or passing as a 49er fan so long as he wins. He is 23-9 including the postseason. I don't care what stats the NFL keeps. I want my team to win!! Kap has led us to a very respectable W-L record during his tenure and I didn't say he did it by himself but the QB has to lead and by the San Francisco 49ers W-L record Kap is doing just fine with a ton of room for improvement! I also find it funny that folk here think they can talk down to fellow posters without knowing anything about the character of the poster or their education levels. I might put my education level on par or above some of the NFL's esteemed statisticians. I don't need webzone posters acting all high and mighty and neither will I
Kaps inability to be effective when asked to be a drop back passer (especially in the redzone) has been a major factor in the past two seasons. They both ended on poorly thrown redzone passes instead of Super Bowl wins.

He's clearly an amazing talent but the path to a Super Bowl championship usually goes through at least one team with a defense that forces running qbs like Kap to try to beat them as a drop back passer. I think SF should let Kap finish his rookie contract and see if he improves this yr. they can always franchise him in 2015 and still pay less then they would on a 100+ million deal.

If I'm the Niners I would want to see Kap take a step forward as a passer before committing $100 million to him. Thankfully they have two more seasons before not signing him to a new contract gets expensive.
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by Niners99:
What do you get out of putting your own team down so much? Why cant you just be excited that we have a future at QB? If you have a good QB, you ALWAYS have a chance.

How in the world does someone saying the 49ers are a very good team = "putting down your own team" to you?

Touchdownboy1980 was saying, with no possible room for confusion, that the 49ers were a good team. He was pointing out how good the team is and you accuse him of putting them down?

YOU ARE THE ONE PUTTING THE TEAM DOWN and it seems like you are doing it in your never ending quest to make everything about how amazing Kaepernick is.

Im putting the team down? How so?

Hes putting our QB down by saying hes safely replaceable.

The funny thing about all the people who dont think Kap is good enough, is if he puts one single pass a foot higher, were probably SB Champs right now, and everyone would be falling over eachother calling him a legend in the making.

The anti-Kap people are probably the ones who said the same crap about Steve Young. Or the offspring of those fans. "Cant beat the Cowboys, hes no Montana. Cant win the big game. Comes up short. Lets move on."

Joe Montana is NEVER coming around again. People need to get over that fact and be happy we have a good, young QB for the first time since Steve Young took over. Only 49er fans would come away with "not good enough, not worth paying" after seeing Kap the last 1.5 seasons.

I just dont understand where people get off saying we should let Kap walk away.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
You realize QBs don't have W/L records, right? You know that of all the crazy statistics the NFL keeps on its players W/L records are not one of them, right?

If you didn't now you do. But do you know why?

I didn't say whether the NFL kept stats on Kap or not. I said I don't care if he is running or passing as a 49er fan so long as he wins. He is 23-9 including the postseason. I don't care what stats the NFL keeps. I want my team to win!! Kap has led us to a very respectable W-L record during his tenure and I didn't say he did it by himself but the QB has to lead and by the San Francisco 49ers W-L record Kap is doing just fine with a ton of room for improvement! I also find it funny that folk here think they can talk down to fellow posters without knowing anything about the character of the poster or their education levels. I might put my education level on par or above some of the NFL's esteemed statisticians. I don't need webzone posters acting all high and mighty and neither will I


If baseball does it with pitchers then why can't football do it with quarterbacks?
Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
You realize QBs don't have W/L records, right? You know that of all the crazy statistics the NFL keeps on its players W/L records are not one of them, right?

If you didn't now you do. But do you know why?

I didn't say whether the NFL kept stats on Kap or not. I said I don't care if he is running or passing as a 49er fan so long as he wins. He is 23-9 including the postseason. I don't care what stats the NFL keeps. I want my team to win!! Kap has led us to a very respectable W-L record during his tenure and I didn't say he did it by himself but the QB has to lead and by the San Francisco 49ers W-L record Kap is doing just fine with a ton of room for improvement! I also find it funny that folk here think they can talk down to fellow posters without knowing anything about the character of the poster or their education levels. I might put my education level on par or above some of the NFL's esteemed statisticians. I don't need webzone posters acting all high and mighty and neither will I


If baseball does it with pitchers then why can't football do it with quarterbacks?

Can't even compare the two sports let alone the two positions.
Originally posted by nflguy49:
Kaps inability to be effective when asked to be a drop back passer (especially in the redzone) has been a major factor in the past two seasons. They both ended on poorly thrown redzone passes instead of Super Bowl wins.

He's clearly an amazing talent but the path to a Super Bowl championship usually goes through at least one team with a defense that forces running qbs like Kap to try to beat them as a drop back passer. I think SF should let Kap finish his rookie contract and see if he improves this yr. they can always franchise him in 2015 and still pay less then they would on a 100+ million deal.

If I'm the Niners I would want to see Kap take a step forward as a passer before committing $100 million to him. Thankfully they have two more seasons before not signing him to a new contract gets expensive.

excellent post
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Can't even compare the two sports let alone the two positions.

A QB has the ball in his hands most every offensive play just as a pitcher does every defensive play. A QB as a passer is essentially a pitcher on offense. A QB and a pitcher more times than not has the greatest impact on your win probability than any other player. Yes the sports are drastically different but I would argue that the job of QB requires a lot more work as far as prep study and the physical toll it takes on your body. You don't rotate games amongst a bullpen and you don't get relief unless you stink or if are knocked out of the game. If a pitcher is judged by wins and losses by one measure then why can't a QB when he must do just about as much every snap and every game?
[ Edited by Pillbusta on Feb 10, 2014 at 6:01 AM ]
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by nflguy49:
Kaps inability to be effective when asked to be a drop back passer (especially in the redzone) has been a major factor in the past two seasons. They both ended on poorly thrown redzone passes instead of Super Bowl wins.

He's clearly an amazing talent but the path to a Super Bowl championship usually goes through at least one team with a defense that forces running qbs like Kap to try to beat them as a drop back passer. I think SF should let Kap finish his rookie contract and see if he improves this yr. they can always franchise him in 2015 and still pay less then they would on a 100+ million deal.

If I'm the Niners I would want to see Kap take a step forward as a passer before committing $100 million to him. Thankfully they have two more seasons before not signing him to a new contract gets expensive.

excellent post

Agree! to you both!
Franchise him? Lame.

Quite a few posters here, loyalties left the Niners along with Alex. They just can't get over it.

You're Chiefs fans now, but you just won't admit it. No longer Niner fans. Niner fans do not beat up their franchise QB unmercifully.

Niners need Kap, a dozen teams would love for us to play hard-ball with his contract and franchise him like our new Chief fans suggest and then lose them to the delight of a QB-less team. That would be lame and insane. Can't take some of these comments seriously.
Originally posted by OldJoe:
Franchise him? Lame.

Quite a few posters here, loyalties left the Niners along with Alex. They just can't get over it.

You're Chiefs fans now, but you just won't admit it. No longer Niner fans. Niner fans do not beat up their franchise QB unmercifully.

Niners need Kap, a dozen teams would love for us to play hard-ball with his contract and franchise him like our new Chief fans suggest and then lose them to the delight of a QB-less team. That would be lame and insane. Can't take some of these comments seriously.

We have been through the schism of the Smith years, poster-wise, and now for better or worse they are over. I do not wish to see posters deciding that other posters aren't "real" 49er fans or are "actually" KC fans. These judgements are not up to you, who doesn't even know them, to make.
It's clear that the Niners coaching staff and FO see Kaepernick as their franchise QB of the future. Kaepernick has also made it clear, and I hope he's serious about this, that he wants to work with the Niners at contract time to make sure that any contract they work out for him doesn't prevent the Niners from doing what they need to do to retain other good players - he knows he needs a good team which is refreshing to hear from a young franchise QB.

The question of what he's worth depends on whether you think the Niners are correct in wanting to develop him into their long-term starter at QB. In my opinion, the Niners know what they're doing. They've got a young QB who has performed very well in his first one and a half years of starting especially considering he's in the process of transitioning to playing a pro-style offense and has never played that style before this last season. His numbers speak for themselves - 3700 total yards and 25 total TD's is the best performance by a Niner QB since the Jeff Garcia seasons. He has an aggressive hyper-competitive nature, a strong work ethic, by all accounts a commitment to continue working on his game and physical attributes that are pretty much off the charts. My sense is that they'll work out a new contract for him early, before they have to and he'll cooperate by not insisting they break the bank for him.
Originally posted by Gavintech:
You realize QBs don't have W/L records, right? You know that of all the crazy statistics the NFL keeps on its players W/L records are not one of them, right?

If you didn't now you do. But do you know why?

Do you mean officially? No the NFL doesn't track that officially. But you can't tell me that you haven't seen the broadcasts where they bring up QB wins as a statistic. I know I've seen games played by Favre, Manning, and Brady where they mentioned how many games they have won over their career. Even games with Brees or Rodgers where they brought up their Win/Loss records during the game.

Yes, Kaepernick too. I've seen his Win/Loss record on the screen during 49ers games.

Officially the NFL does not track that stat... but people who represent the NFL by broadcasting their games to a large TV audience most certainly do.
Originally posted by nflguy49:
Kaps inability to be effective when asked to be a drop back passer (especially in the redzone) has been a major factor in the past two seasons. They both ended on poorly thrown redzone passes instead of Super Bowl wins.

He's clearly an amazing talent but the path to a Super Bowl championship usually goes through at least one team with a defense that forces running qbs like Kap to try to beat them as a drop back passer. I think SF should let Kap finish his rookie contract and see if he improves this yr. they can always franchise him in 2015 and still pay less then they would on a 100+ million deal.

If I'm the Niners I would want to see Kap take a step forward as a passer before committing $100 million to him. Thankfully they have two more seasons before not signing him to a new contract gets expensive.

Spot on. Solid assessment and prediction, I agree completely