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What is Kaeps worth....?

What is Kaeps worth....?

Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
How do you know this?

The Colts tanked because they went from 10+ year veteran "Hall-of-Fame" quarterback to "not starter quality" quarterback.

Alex Smith (7 year veteran at the time) was at least starter quality, wouldn't you say? And Kap is certainly not a 10 year vet. So the drop off (if you believe there was one) was no where near as dramatic.

  1. Because in the Bill Walsh system we run the QB is not as important as he is in other systems.
  2. The 49ers run the ball as much as any other team and throw the ball near the bottom of the league when it comes to attempts.
  3. They also have a top 1-3 defense (depending on who you ask).
An average to slightly above average QB that can play within the system would result in a lot of games won on this team. Did you not watch this season? There was a period of about 7 games where Kaep was playing well BELOW average and the team was on a roll.

I mean we beat Houston THIRTY FOUR TO THREE and he only completed 6 passes for 113 yards and had a 40% completion percentage (and he only carried the ball once for 14 yards that game so that wasn't it either). That is how good this TEAM is.

If you look at it the 49ers QB only completed 20 passes in 2 of 16 games but they won 12 of them. He completed 15 passes or less in 10 games this season and we won 7 of them.

That is how I know...

A s**tty QB is not going to get it done but this team can win a lot of games because of its running game and D with just average QB play. As evidenced by the majority of this season.

lol we dont run a Bill Walsh system. We mix in elements of a Walsh system, but we run a ton of shotgun/pistol. Bill Walsh hated the shotgun.

The NFL is a passing league now. You pass to score, you run to bleed the clock. You ever think about the reasons why we run alot? Harbaugh likes the running game, but he inherited a team with Alex Smith at QB, who wasnt going to be a Drew Brees type of guy. Then you get Kap in there, who was very raw. Kap doesnt attempt more than 30 passes each week because hes not ready yet. After his 412 yard game in week 1 against GB, Harbaugh tried letting him loose, and he couldnt handle it, so he went back to the conservative offense.

Once Kap is ready to be that 30-45 attempt guy, I think you see that. Especially with a healthy group of receivers. The NFL is a passing league, and the QB is almost the exclusive factor between being a winner or loser.

Still cant figure out why you relate the Bill Walsh system to not needing a great QB...Walsh's offense required impeccable timing...
[ Edited by Niners99 on Feb 8, 2014 at 1:54 PM ]
Originally posted by Niners99:
lol we dont run a Bill Walsh system. We mix in elements of a Walsh system, but we run a ton of shotgun/pistol. Bill Walsh hated the shotgun.

The NFL is a passing league now. You pass to score, you run to bleed the clock. You ever think about the reasons why we run alot? Harbaugh likes the running game, but he inherited a team with Alex Smith at QB, who wasnt going to be a Drew Brees type of guy. Then you get Kap in there, who was very raw. Kap doesnt attempt more than 30 passes each week because hes not ready yet. After his 412 yard game in week 1 against GB, Harbaugh tried letting him loose, and he couldnt handle it, so he went back to the conservative offense.

Once Kap is ready to be that 30-45 attempt guy, I think you see that. Especially with a healthy group of receivers. The NFL is a passing league, and the QB is almost the exclusive factor between being a winner or loser.

Still cant figure out why you relate the Bill Walsh system to not needing a great QB...Walsh's offense required impeccable timing...

Harbaugh has run a modernized Bill Walsh system, for the most part, his three years here. I do admit there has been a ton more shotgun the last season and a half, but I think that is because of the guy under center more than anything. And we don't run A LOT of pistol formation, only a few a game at most, sometimes none. Not that formations are indicative of a system anyways.

You realize that almost every QB that the Bill Walsh (and Seifert/Mooch) 49ers brought in and actually played in games was successful, right? It wasn't just Montana and Young. Grbac and Bono often stepped in for long periods and played almost like Montana/Young were still there. Hell, in Ty Detmer's only start with us he looked like one of the greats that ever played! That's not to mention Carter and Anderson in Cinci before the 9ers hired Walsh.

This is my point. When you have the best overall TEAM in the NFL you can still win a lot of games with average QB play. Everything you are trying to contradict/disprove in your post already proved that. Especially in a balanced offensive system that doesn't ask the QB to win games for you, but rather play efficiently within the system. AS EVIDENCED BY MORE THAN HALF OF THE GAMES WE WON THIS YEAR.
[ Edited by Gavintech on Feb 8, 2014 at 2:45 PM ]
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by Niners99:
lol we dont run a Bill Walsh system. We mix in elements of a Walsh system, but we run a ton of shotgun/pistol. Bill Walsh hated the shotgun.

The NFL is a passing league now. You pass to score, you run to bleed the clock. You ever think about the reasons why we run alot? Harbaugh likes the running game, but he inherited a team with Alex Smith at QB, who wasnt going to be a Drew Brees type of guy. Then you get Kap in there, who was very raw. Kap doesnt attempt more than 30 passes each week because hes not ready yet. After his 412 yard game in week 1 against GB, Harbaugh tried letting him loose, and he couldnt handle it, so he went back to the conservative offense.

Once Kap is ready to be that 30-45 attempt guy, I think you see that. Especially with a healthy group of receivers. The NFL is a passing league, and the QB is almost the exclusive factor between being a winner or loser.

Still cant figure out why you relate the Bill Walsh system to not needing a great QB...Walsh's offense required impeccable timing...

Harbaugh has run a modernized Bill Walsh system, for the most part, his three years here. I do admit there has been a ton more shotgun the last season and a half, but I think that is because of the guy under center more than anything. And we don't run A LOT of pistol formation, only a few a game at most, sometimes none. Not that formations are indicative of a system anyways.

You realize that almost every QB that the Bill Walsh (and Seifert/Mooch) 49ers brought in and actually played in games was successful, right? It wasn't just Montana and Young. Grbac and Bono often stepped in for long periods and played almost like Montana/Young were still there. Hell, in Ty Detmer's only start with us he looked like one of the greats that ever played! That's not to mention Carter and Anderson in Cinci before the 9ers hired Walsh.

This is my point. When you have the best overall TEAM in the NFL you can still win a lot of games with average QB play. Everything you are trying to contradict/disprove in your post already proved that. Especially in a balanced offensive system that doesn't ask the QB to win games for you, but rather play efficiently within the system. AS EVIDENCED BY MORE THAN HALF OF THE GAMES WE WON THIS YEAR.

We can have the best overall team in the NFL, but if we dont have a good QB to lead the way, were not winning a SB. Im not sure if youre trying to say we should let Kap leave instead of pay up? Look at all the bad teams in the NFL. What do they all have in common? They dont have a good QB. Look at all the good teams in the NFL. They all have good QB's.

The 12 playoff teams this year all had a top 15 QB. Rodgers, Brees, Kap, Wilson, Foles, Newton, Manning, Brady, Rivers, Luck, Dalton, Smith. It wasnt an accident.

The modern NFL requires a top flight QB to win titles. Look at the last 15 Super Bowls. Warner, Brady, Brady, Brady, Big Ben, Peyton, Eli, Big Ben, Brees, Rodgers, Eli, Wilson. So 12 of the 15 years the winner had a top flight QB. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Joe Flacco were the exceptions. Dilfer and Johnson had historically good defenses, and Flacco went on the tear of his career at the perfect time.

Unless we plan on having the best D of the era coming up here, were going to need a good QB, and Kap is well on his way to being that player. Its going to be expensive, but thats the cost of a franchise talent. If you get into the business of being cheap and trying to replace special players with drafted replacements, youre going to come out the loser.

Kap has the potential to be historically special. His size, speed, arm strength, mind, work ethic, and ability to handle big game pressure is an incredibly rare combination. The 49ers need to hold on tight to him, and they will.

Ask any front office in the NFL about how valuable a franchise QB is. Suggesting that its a good idea to try and win titles by spreading the cash around and just putting a competent QB behind center is lunacy to me. Youre banking on historically great defense at that point, which isnt realistic.
Originally posted by Gavintech:
  1. Because in the Bill Walsh system we run the QB is not as important as he is in other systems.
  2. The 49ers run the ball as much as any other team and throw the ball near the bottom of the league when it comes to attempts.
  3. They also have a top 1-3 defense (depending on who you ask).
An average to slightly above average QB that can play within the system would result in a lot of games won on this team. Did you not watch this season? There was a period of about 7 games where Kaep was playing well BELOW average and the team was on a roll.

I mean we beat Houston THIRTY FOUR TO THREE and he only completed 6 passes for 113 yards and had a 40% completion percentage (and he only carried the ball once for 14 yards that game so that wasn't it either). That is how good this TEAM is.

If you look at it the 49ers QB only completed 20 passes in 2 of 16 games but they won 12 of them. He completed 15 passes or less in 10 games this season and we won 7 of them.

That is how I know...

A s**tty QB is not going to get it done but this team can win a lot of games because of its running game and D with just average QB play. As evidenced by the majority of this season.


Those stats sound great, but they are of course terribly misleading.

Five out of those six completions gave us first downs. That is not average quarterback play.
Four out of those five were on 3rd down.

We had 15 passing attempts, and ran the ball 36 times. That's well over a 2 / 1 ratio of running the ball to passing, which is unheard of in the NFL.
We had a 21 - 0 lead at the half, and had even less reason the pass the ball.
In the 2nd and 4th quarter there were a total of four pass attempts combined.

We took deep shots down the field, which opened up the running game, and caused the completion percentage to take a hit. We had 177 rushing yards as a result of this strategy.

Average-yards-per-attempt is a stat that tells a much better story of what a quarterback is doing. This, combined with 3rd down %. Both of these stats have been strongly improved since we have had Kaepernick in charge. Completion % means almost nothing if it doesn't improve your 3rd down %. What is the freaking point of completing a pass if it gives you a lower 3rd down %?


If a quarterback throws a touchdown 1/3 of the time he passes the ball, but is incomplete 2/3 of the time, and the team wins 34 - 3, he'll end up about 4 - 12, and by your logic, you'll say the team won the game, when in reality the quarterback had a huge part in the win.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Feb 8, 2014 at 5:51 PM ]
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Harbaugh has run a modernized Bill Walsh system, for the most part, his three years here. I do admit there has been a ton more shotgun the last season and a half, but I think that is because of the guy under center more than anything. And we don't run A LOT of pistol formation, only a few a game at most, sometimes none. Not that formations are indicative of a system anyways.

You realize that almost every QB that the Bill Walsh (and Seifert/Mooch) 49ers brought in and actually played in games was successful, right? It wasn't just Montana and Young. Grbac and Bono often stepped in for long periods and played almost like Montana/Young were still there. Hell, in Ty Detmer's only start with us he looked like one of the greats that ever played! That's not to mention Carter and Anderson in Cinci before the 9ers hired Walsh.

This is my point. When you have the best overall TEAM in the NFL you can still win a lot of games with average QB play. Everything you are trying to contradict/disprove in your post already proved that. Especially in a balanced offensive system that doesn't ask the QB to win games for you, but rather play efficiently within the system. AS EVIDENCED BY MORE THAN HALF OF THE GAMES WE WON THIS YEAR.


Those quarterbacks went on to become starters with other teams. Bill Walsh had an eye for talent. That was his greatest asset. Especially quarterback talent. Detmer was not a bad player, when he had time he could kill you like Jeff Garcia. We gave him time in the pocket, and a good system yes, but you're acting like these are scrubs that just stepped in.

Harbaugh also has an eye for talent, especially at the quarterback position. That is evidenced by everything he has done involving quarterbacks his whole career. Kap is here because Harbaugh recognized a good player. It's why Luck played at Stanford, and Josh Johnson played at SD; because Harbaugh can FIND these people.

Sure, he can ALSO develop them, but that is overrated compared to FINDING them.
Don't see the "WCO" being used by Harbaugh...yet alone "modernized." He runs a run first, power game which is about as far away from the WCO as you can get. I'm not sure why Harbaugh or others insist that his offense is a WCO off shoot, other than the obvious need to honor BW at Stanford and now the niners.

WCO--pass to set up the run.
JH--run to set up the pass.

WCO--short, high percentage passes.
JH--vertical passing to stretch the D to allow runs.

WCO--smaller, quick linemen to wear out the D.
JH--large linemen for run blocking.

WCO--FBs who catch many passes.
JH--RB who can block in the backfield.

WCO--WR picks with late releases.
JH--decoys with one designated receiver.

WCO--QBs survey the field from side to side with timing routes.
JH--QBs looking for one or two options.

Some of these may be a matter of QB development...or lack thereof...so far.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Feb 8, 2014 at 7:26 PM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Don't see the "WCO" being used by Harbaugh...yet alone "modernized." He runs a run first, power game which is about as far away from the WCO as you can get. I'm not sure why Harbaugh or others insist that his offense is a WCO off shoot, other than the obvious need to honor BW at Stanford and now the niners.

WCO--pass to set up the run.
JH--run to set up the pass.

WCO--short, high percentage passes.
JH--vertical passing to stretch the D to allow runs.

WCO--smaller, quick linemen to wear out the D.
JH--large linemen for run blocking.

WCO--FBs who catch many passes.
JH--RB who can block in the backfield.

WCO--WR picks with late releases.
JH--decoys with one designated receiver.

WCO--QBs survey the field from side to side with timing routes.
JH--QBs looking for one or two options.

Some of these may be a matter of QB development...or lack thereof...so far.

But besides that, exact same offense as Walsh. lol
Originally posted by Niners99:
We can have the best overall team in the NFL, but if we dont have a good QB to lead the way, were not winning a SB. Im not sure if youre trying to say we should let Kap leave instead of pay up? Look at all the bad teams in the NFL. What do they all have in common? They dont have a good QB. Look at all the good teams in the NFL. They all have good QB's.

The 12 playoff teams this year all had a top 15 QB. Rodgers, Brees, Kap, Wilson, Foles, Newton, Manning, Brady, Rivers, Luck, Dalton, Smith. It wasnt an accident.

The modern NFL requires a top flight QB to win titles. Look at the last 15 Super Bowls. Warner, Brady, Brady, Brady, Big Ben, Peyton, Eli, Big Ben, Brees, Rodgers, Eli, Wilson. So 12 of the 15 years the winner had a top flight QB. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Joe Flacco were the exceptions. Dilfer and Johnson had historically good defenses, and Flacco went on the tear of his career at the perfect time.

Unless we plan on having the best D of the era coming up here, were going to need a good QB, and Kap is well on his way to being that player. Its going to be expensive, but thats the cost of a franchise talent. If you get into the business of being cheap and trying to replace special players with drafted replacements, youre going to come out the loser.

Kap has the potential to be historically special. His size, speed, arm strength, mind, work ethic, and ability to handle big game pressure is an incredibly rare combination. The 49ers need to hold on tight to him, and they will.

Ask any front office in the NFL about how valuable a franchise QB is. Suggesting that its a good idea to try and win titles by spreading the cash around and just putting a competent QB behind center is lunacy to me. Youre banking on historically great defense at that point, which isnt realistic.

"top flight" =/= Top 15

Are you arguing Wilson is a Top 15 Quarterback? So is Flacco. So was Brad Johnson (identical career numbers to Troy Aikman). So 14 of the past 15 Super Bowl winning Quarterbacks were TOP 15 in the league.

Jim Harbaugh can draft and groom someone into a Top 15 Quarterback by next years playoffs. Are you arguing we should pay this player Flacco money ($20 million /year)
Originally posted by Niners99:
lol we dont run a Bill Walsh system. We mix in elements of a Walsh system, but we run a ton of shotgun/pistol. Bill Walsh hated the shotgun.

The NFL is a passing league now. You pass to score, you run to bleed the clock. You ever think about the reasons why we run alot? Harbaugh likes the running game, but he inherited a team with Alex Smith at QB, who wasnt going to be a Drew Brees type of guy. Then you get Kap in there, who was very raw. Kap doesnt attempt more than 30 passes each week because hes not ready yet. After his 412 yard game in week 1 against GB, Harbaugh tried letting him loose, and he couldnt handle it, so he went back to the conservative offense.

Once Kap is ready to be that 30-45 attempt guy, I think you see that. Especially with a healthy group of receivers. The NFL is a passing league, and the QB is almost the exclusive factor between being a winner or loser.

Still cant figure out why you relate the Bill Walsh system to not needing a great QB...Walsh's offense required impeccable timing...

[ Edited by Touchdownboy1980 on Feb 9, 2014 at 12:48 AM ]
Originally posted by Touchdownboy1980:
Originally posted by Niners99:
We can have the best overall team in the NFL, but if we dont have a good QB to lead the way, were not winning a SB. Im not sure if youre trying to say we should let Kap leave instead of pay up? Look at all the bad teams in the NFL. What do they all have in common? They dont have a good QB. Look at all the good teams in the NFL. They all have good QB's.

The 12 playoff teams this year all had a top 15 QB. Rodgers, Brees, Kap, Wilson, Foles, Newton, Manning, Brady, Rivers, Luck, Dalton, Smith. It wasnt an accident.

The modern NFL requires a top flight QB to win titles. Look at the last 15 Super Bowls. Warner, Brady, Brady, Brady, Big Ben, Peyton, Eli, Big Ben, Brees, Rodgers, Eli, Wilson. So 12 of the 15 years the winner had a top flight QB. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Joe Flacco were the exceptions. Dilfer and Johnson had historically good defenses, and Flacco went on the tear of his career at the perfect time.

Unless we plan on having the best D of the era coming up here, were going to need a good QB, and Kap is well on his way to being that player. Its going to be expensive, but thats the cost of a franchise talent. If you get into the business of being cheap and trying to replace special players with drafted replacements, youre going to come out the loser.

Kap has the potential to be historically special. His size, speed, arm strength, mind, work ethic, and ability to handle big game pressure is an incredibly rare combination. The 49ers need to hold on tight to him, and they will.

Ask any front office in the NFL about how valuable a franchise QB is. Suggesting that its a good idea to try and win titles by spreading the cash around and just putting a competent QB behind center is lunacy to me. Youre banking on historically great defense at that point, which isnt realistic.

"top flight" =/= Top 15

Are you arguing Wilson is a Top 15 Quarterback? So is Flacco. So was Brad Johnson (identical career numbers to Troy Aikman). So 14 of the past 15 Super Bowl winning Quarterbacks were TOP 15 in the league.

Jim Harbaugh can draft and groom someone into a Top 15 Quarterback by next years playoffs. Are you arguing we should pay this player Flacco money ($20 million /year)

Outside the playoffs last year, Joe Flacco has been a TERRIBLE QB. Go look at his numbers. And 34 year old Brad Johnson in 2002 was NOT Troy Aikman. Stop trying to spin things in your favor.

And yes, I do think Russell Wilson is a top 15 QB. I think hes a top 10 QB. He played poorly down the stretch, but up until week 13 he was getting buzz about getting some MVP votes.

You dont replace QB's like Kap. Hes far too young with far too much physical, mental, and intangible abilities.

Not even sure why this argument is happening. If you went up to Jed York and said "Dont worry about signing Kap, we'll just replace him for cheaper", he would laugh in your face, and give you the condescending "ok...thanks for being a fan buddy".

We searched for a franchise QB for 13 years, and came up empty. Now we finally have a kid with serious potential, and you want to be a cheapo and try to replace him after 2 NFC title games in 2 seasons as a starter?

I really dont get our fanbase sometimes. No common sense...
Originally posted by Niners99:
Outside the playoffs last year, Joe Flacco has been a TERRIBLE QB. Go look at his numbers. And 34 year old Brad Johnson in 2002 was NOT Troy Aikman. Stop trying to spin things in your favor.

And yes, I do think Russell Wilson is a top 15 QB. I think hes a top 10 QB. He played poorly down the stretch, but up until week 13 he was getting buzz about getting some MVP votes.

You dont replace QB's like Kap. Hes far too young with far too much physical, mental, and intangible abilities.

Not even sure why this argument is happening. If you went up to Jed York and said "Dont worry about signing Kap, we'll just replace him for cheaper", he would laugh in your face, and give you the condescending "ok...thanks for being a fan buddy".

We searched for a franchise QB for 13 years, and came up empty. Now we finally have a kid with serious potential, and you want to be a cheapo and try to replace him after 2 NFC title games in 2 seasons as a starter?

I really dont get our fanbase sometimes. No common sense...

You make it sound like we are the New York Yankees. And Kaepernick will one day be Peyton Manning: able to single handily carry his team to the Super Bowl

There is no 1 single blueprint to an NFL championship. Committing the next decade to Colin while the offense around him declines isn't a wise business move. He will be 27 years old next season with glaring holes in his game.

Ultimately, price does make the difference in negotiations for me. Versus Aldon Smith who is a must.
[ Edited by Touchdownboy1980 on Feb 9, 2014 at 2:04 AM ]
Postseason Numbers
Flacco: 9-4 record, 1-2 in AFC Title Games
20 TDs (1 rushing) - 8 INTs
55% Completation
86.2 Passer Rating


Kaepernick: 4-2 record, 1-1 in NFC Title Games
11 TDs (4 rushing) - 5 INTs
58% Completation
87.3 Passer Rating
[ Edited by Touchdownboy1980 on Feb 9, 2014 at 2:01 AM ]
Originally posted by Touchdownboy1980:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Outside the playoffs last year, Joe Flacco has been a TERRIBLE QB. Go look at his numbers. And 34 year old Brad Johnson in 2002 was NOT Troy Aikman. Stop trying to spin things in your favor.

And yes, I do think Russell Wilson is a top 15 QB. I think hes a top 10 QB. He played poorly down the stretch, but up until week 13 he was getting buzz about getting some MVP votes.

You dont replace QB's like Kap. Hes far too young with far too much physical, mental, and intangible abilities.

Not even sure why this argument is happening. If you went up to Jed York and said "Dont worry about signing Kap, we'll just replace him for cheaper", he would laugh in your face, and give you the condescending "ok...thanks for being a fan buddy".

We searched for a franchise QB for 13 years, and came up empty. Now we finally have a kid with serious potential, and you want to be a cheapo and try to replace him after 2 NFC title games in 2 seasons as a starter?

I really dont get our fanbase sometimes. No common sense...

You make it sound like we are the New York Yankees. And Kaepernick will one day be Peyton Manning: able to single handily carry his team to the Super Bowl

There is no 1 single blueprint to an NFL championship. Committing the next decade to Colin while the offense around him declines isn't a wise business move. He will be 27 years old next season with glaring holes in his game.

Ultimately, price does make the difference in negotiations for me. Versus Aldon Smith who is a must.

Ok so what is the alternative? Easy to claim committing to Kaep isn't a wise business move when you don't have to suggest an alternative.
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Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Don't see the "WCO" being used by Harbaugh...yet alone "modernized." He runs a run first, power game which is about as far away from the WCO as you can get. I'm not sure why Harbaugh or others insist that his offense is a WCO off shoot, other than the obvious need to honor BW at Stanford and now the niners.

WCO--pass to set up the run.
JH--run to set up the pass.

WCO--short, high percentage passes.
JH--vertical passing to stretch the D to allow runs.

WCO--smaller, quick linemen to wear out the D.
JH--large linemen for run blocking.

WCO--FBs who catch many passes.
JH--RB who can block in the backfield.

WCO--WR picks with late releases.
JH--decoys with one designated receiver.

WCO--QBs survey the field from side to side with timing routes.
JH--QBs looking for one or two options.

Some of these may be a matter of QB development...or lack thereof...so far.

But besides that, exact same offense as Walsh. lol

The offense used by Harbaugh, at least in my opinion, is not the same as that used by Bill Walsh.

I do not really care. I do not think it makes any real difference.

Harbaugh and company must improve the offense, and the passing game in particular.

If the improvements are made, I do not care if the offense is WCO or not.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Touchdownboy1980:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Outside the playoffs last year, Joe Flacco has been a TERRIBLE QB. Go look at his numbers. And 34 year old Brad Johnson in 2002 was NOT Troy Aikman. Stop trying to spin things in your favor.

And yes, I do think Russell Wilson is a top 15 QB. I think hes a top 10 QB. He played poorly down the stretch, but up until week 13 he was getting buzz about getting some MVP votes.

You dont replace QB's like Kap. Hes far too young with far too much physical, mental, and intangible abilities.

Not even sure why this argument is happening. If you went up to Jed York and said "Dont worry about signing Kap, we'll just replace him for cheaper", he would laugh in your face, and give you the condescending "ok...thanks for being a fan buddy".

We searched for a franchise QB for 13 years, and came up empty. Now we finally have a kid with serious potential, and you want to be a cheapo and try to replace him after 2 NFC title games in 2 seasons as a starter?

I really dont get our fanbase sometimes. No common sense...

You make it sound like we are the New York Yankees. And Kaepernick will one day be Peyton Manning: able to single handily carry his team to the Super Bowl

There is no 1 single blueprint to an NFL championship. Committing the next decade to Colin while the offense around him declines isn't a wise business move. He will be 27 years old next season with glaring holes in his game.

Ultimately, price does make the difference in negotiations for me. Versus Aldon Smith who is a must.

Ok so what is the alternative? Easy to claim committing to Kaep isn't a wise business move when you don't have to suggest an alternative.

Piece of cake . . . just go draft another kid and have him take over the team at a cheaper rate . . . just snap your fingers and, voila it's done.
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