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What is Kaeps worth....?

What is Kaeps worth....?

Originally posted by crabman82:
and just for comparisons sake...

kaep: 58% comp. 3200 yards, 21 tds, 8 picks, 91.6 rating.....524 rush yards 4tds

luck: 60% comp, 3800 yards, 23 tds, 9 picks, 87.0 rating......377 rush yards 4 tds

summary: i dont begrudge anyone who likes luck above kaep, but dont spew non-sense.

So McCown > Rodgers and Brees?


Pro Bowlers
49ers:8
Colts: 1


W-L Record before taking over
49ers: 13-3, won division, appeared in NFC Title Game
Colts: 2-14



Some of you posters' blind homerism is giving our fan base a bad name. Watch more NFL, educate yourself.
Originally posted by English:
More nonsense. Take a break. When you come back, if you want to post nonsense like this, produce some supporting evidence.

Why are you suspending posters for posting counter arguments to your ignorant statements. Why don't you go get a job and leave the football talk to the adults.
[ Edited by 49ersFootball2000 on Feb 6, 2014 at 12:35 PM ]
^^ This guy just doesn't quit.

If you want attention, just speak with courtesy and respect. This includes how you speak to others as well as how you speak about the 49ers, since we are on a 49ers board.
Originally posted by Forty_Niners:
Originally posted by Niners99:
So because of the SEA defense, Russell Wilson is the only "clutch" young QB of the next generation?

All I needed to hear was you saying that Luck doesnt impress you either. When Luck and Kap are 2 of the top 5 QB in the NFL over the next 10 years, we'll see how much their first 2 seasons as starters mattered.

Wilson ONLY has a ring because of his defense. He played terribly the last 6-7 games of the year.

- Luck is already borderline Top 10 in this league

- Kaepernick will never ever sniff the Top 5



Originally posted by Forty_Niners:
- Luck is already borderline Top 10 in this league

- Kaepernick will never ever sniff the Top 5

Luck threw 7 interceptions in his last two playoff games and he didn't play a defense even close to the ones Kaepernick played. What are you even talking about? Luck had 154 more passing attempts than Kaepernick did this last season and only 2 more TD's than Kaepernick. And Kaepernick got a full yard more per attempt than Luck. No argument that Luck is good. But stop pretending there's a huge gap between the two. One could easily make the case on the numbers that Kaepernick is playing better than Luck. Kaepernick had a 5% TD percentage and Luck had a 4% TD percentage. Kaepernick averaged 13.2 yards per catch compared to Luck's 11.1. And nobody has to spend a defensive player to spy Luck. He's a great athlete, but he really isn't in Kaepernick's level as a threat to gouge you when the pocket breaks down.
Originally posted by 49ersFootball2000:
So McCown > Rodgers and Brees?


Pro Bowlers
49ers:8
Colts: 1


W-L Record before taking over
49ers: 13-3, won division, appeared in NFC Title Game
Colts: 2-14



Some of you posters' blind homerism is giving our fan base a bad name. Watch more NFL, educate yourself.


We post the stats because its the only non-subjective point of reference. What you are posting is subjective, and I can do the same thing.

What was the Colts record before that bad year? 10 - 6, one game worse, the year before that? 14 - 2, and they won the AFC Championship.
So ya, when you have NOTHING at quarterback, it can greatly effect your record. They also had more injuries than normal that year.

Alex Smith is not "nothing" at quarterback. He was able to direct the team to a good record the year before Kap, and followed it up with a great year with KC. So ya, it makes a HUGE difference when you have NOTHING at quarterback.

Luck is obviously very good. But to say he is far and away better than Kap is pure subjective speculation that can't be backed up by any numbers.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Feb 6, 2014 at 4:06 PM ]
Member Milestone: This is post number 400 for crake49.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
We post the stats because its the only non-subject point of reference. What you are posting is subjective, and I can do the same thing.


Some people just don't get the difference between facts and feelings or between objective and subjective arguments.
Originally posted by crake49:
Originally posted by Forty_Niners:
- Luck is already borderline Top 10 in this league

- Kaepernick will never ever sniff the Top 5

Luck threw 7 interceptions in his last two playoff games and he didn't play a defense even close to the ones Kaepernick played. What are you even talking about? Luck had 154 more passing attempts than Kaepernick did this last season and only 2 more TD's than Kaepernick. And Kaepernick got a full yard more per attempt than Luck. No argument that Luck is good. But stop pretending there's a huge gap between the two. One could easily make the case on the numbers that Kaepernick is playing better than Luck. Kaepernick had a 5% TD percentage and Luck had a 4% TD percentage. Kaepernick averaged 13.2 yards per catch compared to Luck's 11.1. And nobody has to spend a defensive player to spy Luck. He's a great athlete, but he really isn't in Kaepernick's level as a threat to gouge you when the pocket breaks down.

Exactly. My question throughout this thread is this: Whatever you think the Colts should give Luck or the Lions Stafford, is what you should think the 49ers should give to Colin. If you believe the 49ers should trade Colins, then you must believe the Colts should trade Luck.

To think otherwise, exposes you as the moron that you probably are.
It's nice to have Seattle fans come in to unite this board...for a change! LOL! Some serious trolling going on!
I think there is a perception thing going on when you compare the two. They're both good young QB's and when you look at the numbers, it's not at all clear who is the better of the two, but the popular perception just leads people to assume Luck is better. And the argument that Luck took over a bad team is simply bogus on its face. He took over the same team that Manning had taken to the playoffs. The reason it had a bad record the year before was catastrophic injuries including the one piece that that team absolutely had to have to function - a QB. Once Luck got up and running, and he is a good QB, that team was simply re-booting and running again.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
It's nice to have Seattle fans come in to unite this board...for a change! LOL! Some serious trolling going on!

Great point! They deserve our thanks.
Originally posted by crake49:
I think there is a perception thing going on when you compare the two. They're both good young QB's and when you look at the numbers, it's not at all clear who is the better of the two, but the popular perception just leads people to assume Luck is better. And the argument that Luck took over a bad team is simply bogus on its face. He took over the same team that Manning had taken to the playoffs. The reason it had a bad record the year before was catastrophic injuries including the one piece that that team absolutely had to have to function - a QB. Once Luck got up and running, and he is a good QB, that team was simply re-booting and running again.

Great post. When you hear analyst speak of Luck, they just ASSUME he is the next greatest QB of all time. No one ever stops and think that maybe Luck won't win a SB...everyone just assumes that he and the Colts are destined to win the next 5 SB.

But when people stop and look at the stats and the facts, they are blown away that Colin is actually a better passer in the NFL than Luck. So is Newton, and Wilson.

This same thing happens to Jay Cutler. Could you imagine the perception of Kaepernick would be if he had the career of a Jay Culter? You think any fanbase would stand for Kaepernick making $100+ million? The same perception exists with Stafford, Bradford, and Ryan. But no seems to care that these QBs make over $100+ million. If they fail, it is because their teammates let them down. Nothing to do with their short comings.
screw the haters. He is a good QB. I love his style of play. Sure he has a lot left to learn. But i hate how people are ready to kick him to the curb already.
Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
screw the haters. He is a good QB. I love his style of play. Sure he has a lot left to learn. But i hate how people are ready to kick him to the curb already.

You tell'em coach.
I'm just hoping Kaepernick was dead serious about that perspective on getting paid that he expressed. If he was and if it turns out that he and his agents work with the Niners that way, it's going to set a new standard for being a leader and a team player for quarterbacks. In a way, it's going to make players like Cutler, Flacco and Romo look short sighted. The better the team is, the better the chance he'll get the team to a championship. Because really, if a guy ends his career as a multi-millionaire set up for life anyway and instead of an extra $7 or 8 mil, he's got a Super Bowl ring, who wins? They're both filthy rich and the guy with the extra money would give it up to have that ring 9 times out of 10.