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What is Kaeps worth....?

What is Kaeps worth....?

Originally posted by AUniner:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Forty_Niners:
Originally posted by English:
No longer taking you seriously.

Face it, half of Kaepernicks offense is Pro Bowlers. The offense around him will only decline as his salary increases.

Yes and he has a defense that is one of the best in the league which carries the team. Kaep is not that great. Perhaps he can get better if he can ever learn how to play from the pocket. That's up to him and how much time and effort he wants to put into it. But some classic "running QB's" from college systems like the Pistol with a read option never improve that. Will he? Who knows? He has a long way to go now. He has certain physical characteristics that are good. Very fast and has a rocket arm and he's tall and big and strong. He's just not natural at some things like being in the pocket. Which you really want for an NFL QB IMO.

So SD, now that Peyton Manning, an all time great QB, looked like a complete fool against the Seahawks D on a neutral field, how do you explain "not that good" Kaepernick coming one play short of beating them IN Seattle?

You keep saying Kap is no good, but he outperformed Peyton Manning in a more harsh environment against the same defense.

Denver's OL was a much better pass blocking unit than ours this year, and had more weapons to throw to. Yet Kap had the better game in the harder location.

What say you? I get the feeling youll just repeat the same things youve been saying, or just ignore this post because you have nothing.


I'm not going in to defend anyone here but Peyton having an off day amoungst others(that whole team stunk it up for the SB) does not mean that Kaep is anywhere near the QB Peyton is.

You and others have got a pretty weak argument here. Peyton is a 5 time MVP and holds the most prestigious records in the game.

Where did I say Kap was on the same level as Manning?

The entire point was that SD keeps saying Kap is overrated, and cant read defenses, yet he put up a MUCH better effort against the exact same D, in SEA, just 2 weeks before Manning.

Obviously Kap isnt as bad as the doubters think. Even the best QB in the NFL this season had no idea how to handle the SEA D.
As long as his contract doesn't hurt the team, I don't care.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Where did I say Kap was on the same level as Manning?

The entire point was that SD keeps saying Kap is overrated, and cant read defenses, yet he put up a MUCH better effort against the exact same D, in SEA, just 2 weeks before Manning.

Obviously Kap isnt as bad as the doubters think. Even the best QB in the NFL this season had no idea how to handle the SEA D.


What's mind blowing is that they love to use the Seahawks game as a benchmark for what Kap can and can't do. But if it's Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning against the same defense, they "just had an off day".

Kap has had to face tough defenses all year. We play in the NFC West after all. We don't have the luxury of playing the Raiders twice a year.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Where did I say Kap was on the same level as Manning?

The entire point was that SD keeps saying Kap is overrated, and cant read defenses, yet he put up a MUCH better effort against the exact same D, in SEA, just 2 weeks before Manning.

Obviously Kap isnt as bad as the doubters think. Even the best QB in the NFL this season had no idea how to handle the SEA D.


What's mind blowing is that they love to use the Seahawks game as a benchmark for what Kap can and can't do. But if it's Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning against the same defense, they "just had an off day".

Kap has had to face tough defenses all year. We play in the NFC West after all. We don't have the luxury of playing the Raiders twice a year.

Brees, Brady, Peyton have WON SUPER BOWLS. Of course they are evaluated in a different light. Kaep has proven he can't win the BIG GAME so far. What he does in the future who knows?
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Brees, Brady, Peyton have WON SUPER BOWLS. Of course they are evaluated in a different light. Kaep has proven he can't win the BIG GAME so far. What he does in the future who knows?

Manning won one superbowl. Manning now has the most playoff season losses in NFL history, so does that mean Manning cant win big games?
Originally posted by martysofresh:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Brees, Brady, Peyton have WON SUPER BOWLS. Of course they are evaluated in a different light. Kaep has proven he can't win the BIG GAME so far. What he does in the future who knows?

Manning won one superbowl. Manning now has the most playoff season losses in NFL history, so does that mean Manning cant win big games?

I just told you he WON THE SUPER BOWL. Plenty of NFL players and historical NFL players can't say that. That puts you in a different category. Steve Young won just 1 and he is regarded as the best thing since sliced bread around the WZ. Manning has played in 3. Young played in 1. Who is better? Manning won 3 AFC Championships. A feat Young only did 1 time ever (NFC Championship). It's hard to get there. And it's hard to win. Manning is better than Young by far career wise.

At any rate our guy has not proven he can win a BIG GAME yet.
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Feb 6, 2014 at 1:36 AM ]
Originally posted by martysofresh:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Brees, Brady, Peyton have WON SUPER BOWLS. Of course they are evaluated in a different light. Kaep has proven he can't win the BIG GAME so far. What he does in the future who knows?

Manning won one superbowl. Manning now has the most playoff season losses in NFL history, so does that mean Manning cant win big games?


It's like that car in a race that gets 2nd place the first race, 3rd place the second race, compared with other cars that have been around for 15 years, and finish anywhere from 1st to 20th, out of 32 cars.

Obviously, the car that finishes 2nd and 3rd in its first two races has no chance to ever finish in first place. I mean, its the laws of physics or something.
Keep it cool and keep it on subject please.

And if you don't have anything new to add, consider not saying it!
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Where did I say Kap was on the same level as Manning?

The entire point was that SD keeps saying Kap is overrated, and cant read defenses, yet he put up a MUCH better effort against the exact same D, in SEA, just 2 weeks before Manning.

Obviously Kap isnt as bad as the doubters think. Even the best QB in the NFL this season had no idea how to handle the SEA D.


What's mind blowing is that they love to use the Seahawks game as a benchmark for what Kap can and can't do. But if it's Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning against the same defense, they "just had an off day".

Kap has had to face tough defenses all year. We play in the NFC West after all. We don't have the luxury of playing the Raiders twice a year.

Brees, Brady, Peyton have WON SUPER BOWLS. Of course they are evaluated in a different light. Kaep has proven he can't win the BIG GAME so far. What he does in the future who knows?

So would it be better if Kap had never made the title game? By that standard, Andrew Luck cant win the big game either. In fact, he threw 7 picks in 2 playoff games this year.

Why cant you just say "Wow, Kap is way ahead of schedule for someone of his experience level"?
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Where did I say Kap was on the same level as Manning?

The entire point was that SD keeps saying Kap is overrated, and cant read defenses, yet he put up a MUCH better effort against the exact same D, in SEA, just 2 weeks before Manning.

Obviously Kap isnt as bad as the doubters think. Even the best QB in the NFL this season had no idea how to handle the SEA D.


What's mind blowing is that they love to use the Seahawks game as a benchmark for what Kap can and can't do. But if it's Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning against the same defense, they "just had an off day".

Kap has had to face tough defenses all year. We play in the NFC West after all. We don't have the luxury of playing the Raiders twice a year.

Brees, Brady, Peyton have WON SUPER BOWLS. Of course they are evaluated in a different light. Kaep has proven he can't win the BIG GAME so far. What he does in the future who knows?

So would it be better if Kap had never made the title game? By that standard, Andrew Luck cant win the big game either. In fact, he threw 7 picks in 2 playoff games this year.

Why cant you just say "Wow, Kap is way ahead of schedule for someone of his experience level"?

Kaep will be 27 next year. Russell Wilson won the Super Bowl at 25 this year.

Yeah Luck does not appear clutch to me so far in they playoffs.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Where did I say Kap was on the same level as Manning?

The entire point was that SD keeps saying Kap is overrated, and cant read defenses, yet he put up a MUCH better effort against the exact same D, in SEA, just 2 weeks before Manning.

Obviously Kap isnt as bad as the doubters think. Even the best QB in the NFL this season had no idea how to handle the SEA D.


What's mind blowing is that they love to use the Seahawks game as a benchmark for what Kap can and can't do. But if it's Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning against the same defense, they "just had an off day".

Kap has had to face tough defenses all year. We play in the NFC West after all. We don't have the luxury of playing the Raiders twice a year.

Brees, Brady, Peyton have WON SUPER BOWLS. Of course they are evaluated in a different light. Kaep has proven he can't win the BIG GAME so far. What he does in the future who knows?

So would it be better if Kap had never made the title game? By that standard, Andrew Luck cant win the big game either. In fact, he threw 7 picks in 2 playoff games this year.

Why cant you just say "Wow, Kap is way ahead of schedule for someone of his experience level"?

Kaep will be 27 next year. Russell Wilson won the Super Bowl at 25 this year.

Yeah Luck does not appear clutch to me so far in they playoffs.

So because of the SEA defense, Russell Wilson is the only "clutch" young QB of the next generation?

All I needed to hear was you saying that Luck doesnt impress you either. When Luck and Kap are 2 of the top 5 QB in the NFL over the next 10 years, we'll see how much their first 2 seasons as starters mattered.

Wilson ONLY has a ring because of his defense. He played terribly the last 6-7 games of the year.
Originally posted by Niners99:
So because of the SEA defense, Russell Wilson is the only "clutch" young QB of the next generation?

All I needed to hear was you saying that Luck doesnt impress you either. When Luck and Kap are 2 of the top 5 QB in the NFL over the next 10 years, we'll see how much their first 2 seasons as starters mattered.

Wilson ONLY has a ring because of his defense. He played terribly the last 6-7 games of the year.

i said in another thread its amazing how at times he gets propped up by that entire team but everyone still sings his praises, and this was before he even made it to the super bowl. kaep is propped up at times by this team but he also gets a tremendous amount of hate from a lot of people out there.
Originally posted by Niners99:
So because of the SEA defense, Russell Wilson is the only "clutch" young QB of the next generation?

All I needed to hear was you saying that Luck doesnt impress you either. When Luck and Kap are 2 of the top 5 QB in the NFL over the next 10 years, we'll see how much their first 2 seasons as starters mattered.

Wilson ONLY has a ring because of his defense. He played terribly the last 6-7 games of the year.

- Luck is already borderline Top 10 in this league

- Kaepernick will never ever sniff the Top 5
Originally posted by Forty_Niners:
- Luck is already borderline Top 10 in this league

- Kaepernick will never ever sniff the Top 5

More nonsense. Take a break. When you come back, if you want to post nonsense like this, produce some supporting evidence.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Forty_Niners:
- Luck is already borderline Top 10 in this league

- Kaepernick will never ever sniff the Top 5

More nonsense. Take a break. When you come back, if you want to post nonsense like this, produce some supporting evidence.

and just for comparisons sake...

kaep: 58% comp. 3200 yards, 21 tds, 8 picks, 91.6 rating.....524 rush yards 4tds

luck: 60% comp, 3800 yards, 23 tds, 9 picks, 87.0 rating......377 rush yards 4 tds

summary: i dont begrudge anyone who likes luck above kaep, but dont spew non-sense.