What is Kaeps worth....?

Originally posted by martysofresh:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Brees, Brady, Peyton have WON SUPER BOWLS. Of course they are evaluated in a different light. Kaep has proven he can't win the BIG GAME so far. What he does in the future who knows?

Manning won one superbowl. Manning now has the most playoff season losses in NFL history, so does that mean Manning cant win big games?

It's like that car in a race that gets 2nd place the first race, 3rd place the second race, compared with other cars that have been around for 15 years, and finish anywhere from 1st to 20th, out of 32 cars.

Obviously, the car that finishes 2nd and 3rd in its first two races has no chance to ever finish in first place. I mean, its the laws of physics or something.

Keep it cool and keep it on subject please.

And if you don't have anything new to add, consider not saying it!

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Where did I say Kap was on the same level as Manning?

The entire point was that SD keeps saying Kap is overrated, and cant read defenses, yet he put up a MUCH better effort against the exact same D, in SEA, just 2 weeks before Manning.

Obviously Kap isnt as bad as the doubters think. Even the best QB in the NFL this season had no idea how to handle the SEA D.

What's mind blowing is that they love to use the Seahawks game as a benchmark for what Kap can and can't do. But if it's Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning against the same defense, they "just had an off day".

Kap has had to face tough defenses all year. We play in the NFC West after all. We don't have the luxury of playing the Raiders twice a year.

Brees, Brady, Peyton have WON SUPER BOWLS. Of course they are evaluated in a different light. Kaep has proven he can't win the BIG GAME so far. What he does in the future who knows?

So would it be better if Kap had never made the title game? By that standard, Andrew Luck cant win the big game either. In fact, he threw 7 picks in 2 playoff games this year.

Why cant you just say "Wow, Kap is way ahead of schedule for someone of his experience level"?

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Where did I say Kap was on the same level as Manning?

The entire point was that SD keeps saying Kap is overrated, and cant read defenses, yet he put up a MUCH better effort against the exact same D, in SEA, just 2 weeks before Manning.

Obviously Kap isnt as bad as the doubters think. Even the best QB in the NFL this season had no idea how to handle the SEA D.

What's mind blowing is that they love to use the Seahawks game as a benchmark for what Kap can and can't do. But if it's Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning against the same defense, they "just had an off day".

Kap has had to face tough defenses all year. We play in the NFC West after all. We don't have the luxury of playing the Raiders twice a year.

Brees, Brady, Peyton have WON SUPER BOWLS. Of course they are evaluated in a different light. Kaep has proven he can't win the BIG GAME so far. What he does in the future who knows?

So would it be better if Kap had never made the title game? By that standard, Andrew Luck cant win the big game either. In fact, he threw 7 picks in 2 playoff games this year.

Why cant you just say "Wow, Kap is way ahead of schedule for someone of his experience level"?

Kaep will be 27 next year. Russell Wilson won the Super Bowl at 25 this year.

Yeah Luck does not appear clutch to me so far in they playoffs.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Where did I say Kap was on the same level as Manning?

The entire point was that SD keeps saying Kap is overrated, and cant read defenses, yet he put up a MUCH better effort against the exact same D, in SEA, just 2 weeks before Manning.

Obviously Kap isnt as bad as the doubters think. Even the best QB in the NFL this season had no idea how to handle the SEA D.

What's mind blowing is that they love to use the Seahawks game as a benchmark for what Kap can and can't do. But if it's Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning against the same defense, they "just had an off day".

Kap has had to face tough defenses all year. We play in the NFC West after all. We don't have the luxury of playing the Raiders twice a year.

Brees, Brady, Peyton have WON SUPER BOWLS. Of course they are evaluated in a different light. Kaep has proven he can't win the BIG GAME so far. What he does in the future who knows?

So would it be better if Kap had never made the title game? By that standard, Andrew Luck cant win the big game either. In fact, he threw 7 picks in 2 playoff games this year.

Why cant you just say "Wow, Kap is way ahead of schedule for someone of his experience level"?

Kaep will be 27 next year. Russell Wilson won the Super Bowl at 25 this year.

Yeah Luck does not appear clutch to me so far in they playoffs.

So because of the SEA defense, Russell Wilson is the only "clutch" young QB of the next generation?

All I needed to hear was you saying that Luck doesnt impress you either. When Luck and Kap are 2 of the top 5 QB in the NFL over the next 10 years, we'll see how much their first 2 seasons as starters mattered.

Wilson ONLY has a ring because of his defense. He played terribly the last 6-7 games of the year.

Originally posted by Niners99:
So because of the SEA defense, Russell Wilson is the only "clutch" young QB of the next generation?

All I needed to hear was you saying that Luck doesnt impress you either. When Luck and Kap are 2 of the top 5 QB in the NFL over the next 10 years, we'll see how much their first 2 seasons as starters mattered.

Wilson ONLY has a ring because of his defense. He played terribly the last 6-7 games of the year.

i said in another thread its amazing how at times he gets propped up by that entire team but everyone still sings his praises, and this was before he even made it to the super bowl. kaep is propped up at times by this team but he also gets a tremendous amount of hate from a lot of people out there.

Originally posted by Niners99:
So because of the SEA defense, Russell Wilson is the only "clutch" young QB of the next generation?

All I needed to hear was you saying that Luck doesnt impress you either. When Luck and Kap are 2 of the top 5 QB in the NFL over the next 10 years, we'll see how much their first 2 seasons as starters mattered.

Wilson ONLY has a ring because of his defense. He played terribly the last 6-7 games of the year.

- Luck is already borderline Top 10 in this league

- Kaepernick will never ever sniff the Top 5

Originally posted by Forty_Niners:

- Luck is already borderline Top 10 in this league

- Kaepernick will never ever sniff the Top 5

More nonsense. Take a break. When you come back, if you want to post nonsense like this, produce some supporting evidence.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Forty_Niners:
- Luck is already borderline Top 10 in this league

- Kaepernick will never ever sniff the Top 5

More nonsense. Take a break. When you come back, if you want to post nonsense like this, produce some supporting evidence.

and just for comparisons sake...

kaep: 58% comp. 3200 yards, 21 tds, 8 picks, 91.6 rating.....524 rush yards 4tds

luck: 60% comp, 3800 yards, 23 tds, 9 picks, 87.0 rating......377 rush yards 4 tds

summary: i dont begrudge anyone who likes luck above kaep, but dont spew non-sense.

Originally posted by crabman82:
and just for comparisons sake...

kaep: 58% comp. 3200 yards, 21 tds, 8 picks, 91.6 rating.....524 rush yards 4tds

luck: 60% comp, 3800 yards, 23 tds, 9 picks, 87.0 rating......377 rush yards 4 tds

summary: i dont begrudge anyone who likes luck above kaep, but dont spew non-sense.

So McCown > Rodgers and Brees?


Pro Bowlers
49ers:8
Colts: 1


W-L Record before taking over
49ers: 13-3, won division, appeared in NFC Title Game
Colts: 2-14



Some of you posters' blind homerism is giving our fan base a bad name. Watch more NFL, educate yourself.

Originally posted by English:
More nonsense. Take a break. When you come back, if you want to post nonsense like this, produce some supporting evidence.

Why are you suspending posters for posting counter arguments to your ignorant statements. Why don't you go get a job and leave the football talk to the adults.

^^ This guy just doesn't quit.

If you want attention, just speak with courtesy and respect. This includes how you speak to others as well as how you speak about the 49ers, since we are on a 49ers board.

Originally posted by Forty_Niners:

Originally posted by Niners99:

So because of the SEA defense, Russell Wilson is the only "clutch" young QB of the next generation?

All I needed to hear was you saying that Luck doesnt impress you either. When Luck and Kap are 2 of the top 5 QB in the NFL over the next 10 years, we'll see how much their first 2 seasons as starters mattered.

Wilson ONLY has a ring because of his defense. He played terribly the last 6-7 games of the year.

- Luck is already borderline Top 10 in this league

- Kaepernick will never ever sniff the Top 5

Originally posted by Forty_Niners:
- Luck is already borderline Top 10 in this league

- Kaepernick will never ever sniff the Top 5

Luck threw 7 interceptions in his last two playoff games and he didn't play a defense even close to the ones Kaepernick played. What are you even talking about? Luck had 154 more passing attempts than Kaepernick did this last season and only 2 more TD's than Kaepernick. And Kaepernick got a full yard more per attempt than Luck. No argument that Luck is good. But stop pretending there's a huge gap between the two. One could easily make the case on the numbers that Kaepernick is playing better than Luck. Kaepernick had a 5% TD percentage and Luck had a 4% TD percentage. Kaepernick averaged 13.2 yards per catch compared to Luck's 11.1. And nobody has to spend a defensive player to spy Luck. He's a great athlete, but he really isn't in Kaepernick's level as a threat to gouge you when the pocket breaks down.

Originally posted by 49ersFootball2000:
So McCown > Rodgers and Brees?


Pro Bowlers
49ers:8
Colts: 1


W-L Record before taking over
49ers: 13-3, won division, appeared in NFC Title Game
Colts: 2-14



Some of you posters' blind homerism is giving our fan base a bad name. Watch more NFL, educate yourself.

We post the stats because its the only non-subjective point of reference. What you are posting is subjective, and I can do the same thing.

What was the Colts record before that bad year? 10 - 6, one game worse, the year before that? 14 - 2, and they won the AFC Championship.
So ya, when you have NOTHING at quarterback, it can greatly effect your record. They also had more injuries than normal that year.

Alex Smith is not "nothing" at quarterback. He was able to direct the team to a good record the year before Kap, and followed it up with a great year with KC. So ya, it makes a HUGE difference when you have NOTHING at quarterback.

Luck is obviously very good. But to say he is far and away better than Kap is pure subjective speculation that can't be backed up by any numbers.