Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by crake49:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Kap has just made a huge mistake. Because of these comments, now fans expectations for the contract are going to be pure fantasy. If the contract is anything over 10 million, fans will turn on him, call him a "liar", a "cheat", etc. This is going to get ugly.
Kap, that was a very dumb thing for you to say.
Come on. $10 million would be a bargain for the Niners and you know it. If fans are going to be angry about that kind of number, they just have no grasp on reality.
If Kap makes ten million next year, it will be because he has a lot more guaranteed money coming later, and fans will complain about that too. I would hate nothing more than to mortgage our future with a balloon contract, that kills us in 3 - 4 years, but let's us sit pretty for 2 - 3 years.
I really can't figure out what you think is fair for this kid. You say fans will rag on him if he doesn't give us a deal but you say he's dumb for opening that possibility. Next you try to talka about Tom Bradys contract and put Kap into that context. FYI Kap is not a 10 year vet with Super bowl rings, records, and a HOF ballot waiting for him. Then you bring up Bradys wife...why? Because Brady is in a wealthy relationship Kap is now worth more or something? Then you make the dumbest comment by saying Kap isn't responsible for paying his teammates salaries...he isn't paying s**t. He would not be on a winning team without them, Boldin saved his ass the year. If you want this kid to be a stingy ass for money and f**k the ability to retain solid players you don't understand football.
"You say fans will rag on him if he doesn't give us a deal but you say he's dumb for opening that possibility."
Those are not disparate statements.
Fans will rag on him because he has implied that he will provide a "discount". A "discount" in some fans minds is a 5 - 10 million hit to his annual salary, which is a fantasy. When this fantasy does not come to fruition, some fans will be very angry at Kap because their definition of "discount" is separate from reality. The reality is that any possible discount will come in the form of an incentive laden contract, with good guarantees, and probably more money on the back end. This could bring the first few years down to 14 - 17 million; where the fantasy contract, is probably more like 10 - 15 million per, without any special incentives or guarantees, or back end money etc.
"Next you try to talks about Tom Bradys contract and put Kap into that context."
I was pointing out how they are NOT similar situations. Obviously. Therefore don't expect a similar contract like Brady's.
Brady's contract appears like a "home town discount" because of the reasons I mentioned; but it is a mirage. In other words, there is no situation in the history of the national football league, where a player in Kap's situation provides some mythical "home town" discount and gets paid 25% - 50% less than he could make, because he wants his team to keep its talent.
"Then you make the dumbest comment by saying Kap isn't responsible for paying his teammates salaries...he isn't paying s**t."
It was obviously a figurative statement; not literal.
Boldin and Whiter make over ten million a year. If Kap wants to keep them, then he has to essentially (of course not "literally") "pay" their salaries by taking drastically less money than market value.
"If you want this kid to be a stingy ass for money and f**k the ability to retain solid players you don't understand football."
I would love to be shown a player who has played in the national football league, in a similar situation to Kap, and did, as you say, "not be a stingy ass for money and f**k the ability to retain solid players". Please do find me one situation where this has occurred.
Tom Brady's situation has already been discussed ad nauseam, so you have to pick someone else.
Out of the current crop of franchise quarterbacks in the NFL:
Cutler - Stingy ass
Ryan - Stingy ass
Stafford - Stingy ass
Romo - Stingy ass
Flacco - The stingy ass king
Brees - Stingy ass
P Manning - Stingy ass
E Manning - Stingy ass
Rogers - Stingy ass
Rivers - Stingy ass
Roethlisberger - Stingy ass
Brady - Already extremely wealthy, with a contract guaranteed for injury. The ONE exception.
Every quarterback who is seen as a franchise player, has been a "stingy ass", yet somehow I have this idea in my head that Kap will be just like every other player? How could I come to that conclusion? Perhaps its this crazy thing called "historical evidence" I've been smoking.