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What is Kaeps worth....?

What is Kaeps worth....?

Long drives, controlling the ball helped the niners D in the 80's and 90's but they were good defenses and Seifert was under appreciated during those years. And they had the top defensive backfield year in and year out...where Seifert started is coaching with the niners.
LOL @ the people trying to rip Kaepernick by comparing him against Joe Montana and Steve Young.

When your starting QB finishes his first full season, and people are saying "Montana wouldve came through", I think hes doing ok for himself.
[ Edited by Niners99 on Jan 28, 2014 at 6:36 PM ]
Originally posted by Niners99:
LOL @ the people trying to rip Kaepernick by comparing him against Joe Montana and Steve Young.

When your starting QB finishes his first full season, and people are saying "Montana wouldve came through", I think hes doing ok for himself.

Once again...missing the point and misquoting...but that's OK.
Originally posted by Niners99:
LOL @ the people trying to rip Kaepernick by comparing him against Joe Montana and Steve Young.

When your starting QB finishes his first full season, and people are saying "Montana wouldve came through", I think hes doing ok for himself.

Yeah. And ripping on our 90s teams to try and prove a point.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
No he didn't. Steve Young didn't have a good defense. In fact it sucked for a lot of the time he was the QB. It was just good when they brought in Ken Norton Jr., Gary Plummer and Deion Sanders. Especially the Deion year. They had deficincies other than that year.

The defense Kaep plays with is a powerhouse. You should be able to win with what he has.


Steve Young made it to the Super Bowl in 94 when the 49ers had the leagues best defense. Seattle made it to the Super Bowl in 2014 when they had the leagues best defense. Any correlation here?

"A powerhouse"? Since when does the third best defense in the league make you a "powerhouse"?

Edit: 94 wasn't the leagues best defense by the numbers, what put us over the top was Ricky Watters and our running game. Regardless, the 90's defenses were just as good as our current defense, and Young didn't win the Super Bowl every year.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Jan 28, 2014 at 7:26 PM ]
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
No he didn't. Steve Young didn't have a good defense. In fact it sucked for a lot of the time he was the QB. It was just good when they brought in Ken Norton Jr., Gary Plummer and Deion Sanders. Especially the Deion year. They had deficincies other than that year.

The defense Kaep plays with is a powerhouse. You should be able to win with what he has.


Steve Young made it to the Super Bowl in 94 when the 49ers had the leagues best defense. Seattle made it to the Super Bowl in 2014 when they had the leagues best defense. Any correlation here?

"A powerhouse"? Since when does the third best defense in the league make you a "powerhouse"?

1994: #6 in points #8 in yards.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Niners99:
LOL @ the people trying to rip Kaepernick by comparing him against Joe Montana and Steve Young.

When your starting QB finishes his first full season, and people are saying "Montana wouldve came through", I think hes doing ok for himself.

Once again...missing the point and misquoting...but that's OK.

So what IS your motive here? To rip a young franchise QB because he couldnt beat the best D in the NFL, on the road, to become the first ever QB to win 4 consecutive road playoff games? Because CLEARLY you have a leg to stand on with that argument.

The entire notion that a QB of Kap's age and experience somehow DIDNT meet expectations, is ludicrous.

And that was directed at SD, not you. I dont even recall where you came into this convo, and what youve said.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Niners99:
LOL @ the people trying to rip Kaepernick by comparing him against Joe Montana and Steve Young.

When your starting QB finishes his first full season, and people are saying "Montana wouldve came through", I think hes doing ok for himself.

Once again...missing the point and misquoting...but that's OK.

So what IS your motive here? To rip a young franchise QB because he couldnt beat the best D in the NFL, on the road, to become the first ever QB to win 4 consecutive road playoff games? Because CLEARLY you have a leg to stand on with that argument.

The entire notion that a QB of Kap's age and experience somehow DIDNT meet expectations, is ludicrous.

And that was directed at SD, not you. I dont even recall where you came into this convo, and what youve said.

Ask dtg who is favorite QB is and there you will know his motive. lol
Originally posted by Niners99:
So what IS your motive here? To rip a young franchise QB because he couldnt beat the best D in the NFL, on the road, to become the first ever QB to win 4 consecutive road playoff games? Because CLEARLY you have a leg to stand on with that argument.

The entire notion that a QB of Kap's age and experience somehow DIDNT meet expectations, is ludicrous.

And that was directed at SD, not you. I dont even recall where you came into this convo, and what youve said.

My appreciation of Kaepernick is well documented on this site, but I'll not roll over and say he is a complete QB at this point. I want him to learn and grow in the areas Steve Young talked about a month or so ago...and he included himself in the comments. To paraphrase--guys who have been able to depend on their legs getting them out of trouble often develop more slowly. They have to learn to stay in the pocket, keep their eyes down field, go through their progressions, etc.

You want to give Kaepernick a pass for his lack of development. I don't. Simple as that.

Thank you for saying I "have a leg to stand on." I knew you'd come around.

Where we might agree:

1) Losses are not all one player's fault.
2) Kaepernick has more natural physical talent than any guy who has ever worn a niner uniform (although I believe vision and touch to be physical talent and CK is lacking in those two areas).
3) A few people are dumping on Kaepernick for whatever reason...possibly for the same reason Verb tries to nudge me into silly arguments.
4) Coaching is a huge part of a) the offenses problems in the Red Zone, b) development of the WRs and other offensive weapons, and c) play calling failure--such as running Gore into a stacked line on most first downs.

There are likely other areas in which we agree but it is good to evaluate all areas and that includes Kaepernick's development or lack thereof.

My hope and belief for Kaepernick--within two/three years he will be the best QB in the NFL...as soon as Brady, Brees and P Manning slow down a bit.

Edit: he won't get to his potential if everyone pats him on the back and tells him he doesn't have to stop making stupid mistakes...he knows that and hasn't made the excuses you have made for his lack of performance. He has owned his responsibility and I have been very happy with that attitude.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jan 28, 2014 at 7:57 PM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
3) A few people are dumping on Kaepernick for whatever reason...possibly for the same reason Verb tries to nudge me into silly arguments.


Originally posted by verb1der:

I see what you do...always! LOL!
On the real doe...Kaep is such a polarizing player, you either love him or hate him. And the fact that he's so entertaining to watch and helps makes our team so elite, he's going to be worth every penny he earns. He's going to bring us the 6th, it's inevitable.

LEHS GO KAEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by verb1der:
On the real doe...Kaep is such a polarizing player, you either love him or hate him. And the fact that he's so entertaining to watch and helps makes our team so elite, he's going to be worth every penny he earns. He's going to bring us the 6th, it's inevitable.

LEHS GO KAEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kaepernick seems the opposite of a polarizing player to me. He is a smart, talented young player who is electrifying on the field. He's very enthusiastic and easy to like. But then, I tend to like players who work hard and fight hard for my teams!
Contract Forecast: Colin Kaepernick---
6 years 120,798,737 total 20,133,122 avg/year

http://www.spotrac.com/premium/research/nfl/contract-forecast-colin-kaepernick-414/
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Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
Contract Forecast: Colin Kaepernick---
6 years 120,798,737 total 20,133,122 avg/year

http://www.spotrac.com/premium/research/nfl/contract-forecast-colin-kaepernick-414/

Spotrac's Prediction:

6 years, $118,382,000
Average annual salary $19,730, 000, estimated
$43,847,000 guaranteed