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What is Kaeps worth....?

What is Kaeps worth....?

Wait, are there actually folks on here that think that Ryan, Stafford, and Cutler are more accomplished than Kap is. LOL! But I suspect if asked if Luck should be getting paid Ryan money many on here would scream that Andrew desires it.

And you don't pay guys because of what they necessarily have done. BUT what you anticipate they are going to do.
Originally posted by sevenup3000:
Wait, are there actually folks on here that think that Ryan, Stafford, and Cutler are more accomplished than Kap is. LOL! But I suspect if asked if Luck should be getting paid Ryan money many on here would scream that Andrew desires it.

And you don't pay guys because of what they necessarily have done. BUT what you anticipate they are going to do.

Somehow I dont think that worked out for the Raiders and Jamarcus Russell.
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by sevenup3000:
Wait, are there actually folks on here that think that Ryan, Stafford, and Cutler are more accomplished than Kap is. LOL! But I suspect if asked if Luck should be getting paid Ryan money many on here would scream that Andrew desires it.

And you don't pay guys because of what they necessarily have done. BUT what you anticipate they are going to do.

Somehow I dont think that worked out for the Raiders and Jamarcus Russell.

Comparing apples to oranges there. Russell got payed without ever playing a down. Kap is one of the higher rated QBs in the league, has a winning record as a starter, already has 3 playoff victories under his belt, and a SB appearance.

sevenup3000 does have a point. Past and potential production are both factors when signing/extending a player. Kap has significant past production, and his potential is through the roof. If we want him, we have to pay him market value. If not, there are 20+ teams who will be more than willing.
Screw paying a QB more than 15 mill, we see what it did to the Ravens. In this pass happy league where you can't touch the QB or the WRs and Rookies are coming out more prepared than ever I would not blow all of my cap space on a QB. QBs like Brady, Manning, and Brees can keep your team viable but they will not solely win you a super bowl. Unless Kap goes out and destroys every opponent we face from here to the Super Bowl (if we get there). I wouldn't seriously consider paying him more than 10 mill a season but if he did I would give him the other 15 mill.
Whatever contract you think Andrew Luck deserves, Kap deserves about the same. Whatever Stafford desires, Kap desires. Whatever Dalton gets, Kap should get a little bit more.

If you think that the Colts should let Luck walk at the end of next season to get a cheaper QB, so should 49ers.

The only fan bases that that I hear making statements about their QB such as just let him walk and he has not proven to be a franchise QB are Carolina, Seattle, and 49ers

In Philly, Cinny, Kansas, and Chicago, even the Dolphins and St. Louis I am reading about what kind of contract they deserve. Only in Carolina, Seattle, San Fran, and Washington am I seeing statements like: just let him walk after his contract and draft his replacement.
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Screw paying a QB more than 15 mill, we see what it did to the Ravens. In this pass happy league where you can't touch the QB or the WRs and Rookies are coming out more prepared than ever I would not blow all of my cap space on a QB. QBs like Brady, Manning, and Brees can keep your team viable but they will not solely win you a super bowl. Unless Kap goes out and destroys every opponent we face from here to the Super Bowl (if we get there). I wouldn't seriously consider paying him more than 10 mill a season but if he did I would give him the other 15 mill.

Unless you plan on being stuck with the Jason Campbell's and Matt Flynn's of the world and/or have no interest in winning anything, be prepared to pay a QB that isn't on their rookie deal more than 12 million per season.
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Screw paying a QB more than 15 mill, we see what it did to the Ravens. In this pass happy league where you can't touch the QB or the WRs and Rookies are coming out more prepared than ever I would not blow all of my cap space on a QB. QBs like Brady, Manning, and Brees can keep your team viable but they will not solely win you a super bowl. Unless Kap goes out and destroys every opponent we face from here to the Super Bowl (if we get there). I wouldn't seriously consider paying him more than 10 mill a season but if he did I would give him the other 15 mill.

Yet they have all won SBs, while the rest of the league can only dream of a SB appearance as they continually cycle through QBs.

You need stability at QB for a prolonged period of time if you want to be a consistent contender. You have to find that guy.
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Screw paying a QB more than 15 mill, we see what it did to the Ravens. In this pass happy league where you can't touch the QB or the WRs and Rookies are coming out more prepared than ever I would not blow all of my cap space on a QB. QBs like Brady, Manning, and Brees can keep your team viable but they will not solely win you a super bowl. Unless Kap goes out and destroys every opponent we face from here to the Super Bowl (if we get there). I wouldn't seriously consider paying him more than 10 mill a season but if he did I would give him the other 15 mill.

So you agree with me that Kap should be dealt to Houston for their #1 pick
Originally posted by sevenup3000:
Whatever contract you think Andrew Luck deserves, Kap deserves about the same. Whatever Stafford desires, Kap desires. Whatever Dalton gets, Kap should get a little bit more.

If you think that the Colts should let Luck walk at the end of next season to get a cheaper QB, so should 49ers.

The only fan bases that that I hear making statements about their QB such as just let him walk and he has not proven to be a franchise QB are Carolina, Seattle, and 49ers

In Philly, Cinny, Kansas, and Chicago, even the Dolphins and St. Louis I am reading about what kind of contract they deserve. Only in Carolina, Seattle, San Fran, and Washington am I seeing statements like: just let him walk after his contract and draft his replacement.


They have the same problems we have - except Redskins of course. They need RG3 plain and simple.

Seattle & Carolina both have dominant defenses that the fan base knows without them they don't win. I and many others on this board believe likewise. There are also many that are saying QB is the highest priority by a mile and screw the rest of the team.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Yet they have all won SBs, while the rest of the league can only dream of a SB appearance as they continually cycle through QBs.

You need stability at QB for a prolonged period of time if you want to be a consistent contender. You have to find that guy.

Hard to believe people don't get that by now.
Originally posted by AUniner:
They have the same problems we have - except Redskins of course. They need RG3 plain and simple.

Seattle & Carolina both have dominant defenses that the fan base knows without them they don't win. I and many others on this board believe likewise. There are also many that are saying QB is the highest priority by a mile and screw the rest of the team.

The QB is the most important position and the highest priority, but that doesn't mean screw the rest of the team.
His worth is 80M but he is likely to get around 100M
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Guess something similar to this wouldn't be the worst thing in the world....

Most long-term NFL contracts amount to three-year projections. In the case of quarterback Jay Cutler's new deal with the Chicago Bears, that's especially true.According to contract details obtained Monday by USA TODAY Sports, Cutler didn't receive a signing bonus on the seven-year, $126.7 million contract he signed last week, instead getting guaranteed base salaries of $22.5 million in 2014, $15.5 million in 2015 and $16 million in 2016.That essentially makes it a three-year, $54 million contract, with rolling club options each year from there and no salary cap repercussions if the Bears release Cutler anytime after the 2016 season because there's no bonus to prorate.None of the money in the deal's last four years — base salaries of $12.5 million in 2017, $13.5 million in 2018, $17.5 million in 2019 and $19.2 million in 2020, plus $2.5 million in per-game roster bonuses each season — is guaranteed.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bears/2014/01/06/bears-jay-cutler-contract/4341931/

I could of told you that, lol

I see it as a deal like that if they go the 6 or 7 yr route. I still say he should take a 4yr $65M deal. That's $16.25 million a year average. At most a $72M deal, which is $18 million a year average.

I could be wrong, but I believe you structure deals like that (guaranteeing years instead of giving guaranteed signing bonuses) only if you presently have plenty of cap room to spare. There's no way we, given our tight cap situation, could have one player take up $22.5M in cap room next year and still be a viable team. We'd have to clean house to do that.

The Cutler/Chris Long-type deals (guaranteeing years) give teams flexibility down the road, allowing them to cut high-salary players with no cap hit in the later years of the deal.

Going the "guaranteed money" route allow for the opposite....it provides lower cap hits on the front end of the deal (which gives teams more present flexibility) but higher cap hits on the back end of the deal. IMO, we'd have to take this approach with Kap and then hope to restructure his deal later when the high salary years come in to play.
My question for all of you that think he isn't worth 100mil. What makes a guy worth that amount?
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Guess something similar to this wouldn't be the worst thing in the world....

Most long-term NFL contracts amount to three-year projections. In the case of quarterback Jay Cutler's new deal with the Chicago Bears, that's especially true.According to contract details obtained Monday by USA TODAY Sports, Cutler didn't receive a signing bonus on the seven-year, $126.7 million contract he signed last week, instead getting guaranteed base salaries of $22.5 million in 2014, $15.5 million in 2015 and $16 million in 2016.That essentially makes it a three-year, $54 million contract, with rolling club options each year from there and no salary cap repercussions if the Bears release Cutler anytime after the 2016 season because there's no bonus to prorate.None of the money in the deal's last four years — base salaries of $12.5 million in 2017, $13.5 million in 2018, $17.5 million in 2019 and $19.2 million in 2020, plus $2.5 million in per-game roster bonuses each season — is guaranteed.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bears/2014/01/06/bears-jay-cutler-contract/4341931/

I could of told you that, lol

I see it as a deal like that if they go the 6 or 7 yr route. I still say he should take a 4yr $65M deal. That's $16.25 million a year average. At most a $72M deal, which is $18 million a year average.

I could be wrong, but I believe you structure deals like that (guaranteeing years instead of giving guaranteed signing bonuses) only if you presently have plenty of cap room to spare. There's no way we, given our tight cap situation, could have one player take up $22.5M in cap room next year and still be a viable team. We'd have to clean house to do that.

The Cutler/Chris Long-type deals (guaranteeing years) give teams flexibility down the road, allowing them to cut high-salary players with no cap hit in the later years of the deal.

Going the "guaranteed money" route allow for the opposite....it provides lower cap hits on the front end of the deal (which gives teams more present flexibility) but higher cap hits on the back end of the deal. IMO, we'd have to take this approach with Kap and then hope to restructure his deal later when the high salary years come in to play.

Yeah, I can't see them not giving Kap a signing bonus. We can't afford a $20M+ cap hit for a QB in the next 2 seasons, 2016 we have about 78M in cap room.