What is Kaeps worth....?

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by jvangeystel:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Again this is an issue he needs to improve. When I see it I will acknowledge it. He should be given the credit when it's due and the fault when it's due. If this whole thread is only goin to talk about how awesome his qbr is and how he kills all the competition what's the point in it? The 1 year starter excuse is only that, an excuse when looking at this specific problem. That is how Sea wins games, by thriving off turnovers. If we are going to take the west back, this is the area that he needs to improve on. Our ability to surpass Sea rests on Kap's shoulders.

So you believe that a 3 year contender for the NFC Championship in the 49ers have all of their hopes of surpassing Seattle, which I assume you believe is what it will take to get back to the Superbowl, lying on Kaep's shoulders yet he doesn't deserve what Ryan and Romo are getting. He is better than Ryan, Romo, Flacco, Stafford, and a lot of other NFL quarterbacks. He should get a deal that starts at 14 and slowly ramps up to 18 with the first half guaranteed. That way if he continues to progress we get a top 5 QB at a bargain bin price. If he doesn't we can cut or trade him in 3 years with no penalty. This would be a 6-7 year deal with only the first three years as guaranteed money.

Who cares what Ryan or Romo gets paid...THEY ARE OVER PAID BY RETARDED ORGANIZATIONS!

We dont have to play follow the leader with the idiot GM's around the NFL.

Yes we do, or we will have to keep drafting QB's or pay an average QB to play.

Romo just took a massive pay cut, so we can now pay Kap a lot less right?

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by jvangeystel:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Again this is an issue he needs to improve. When I see it I will acknowledge it. He should be given the credit when it's due and the fault when it's due. If this whole thread is only goin to talk about how awesome his qbr is and how he kills all the competition what's the point in it? The 1 year starter excuse is only that, an excuse when looking at this specific problem. That is how Sea wins games, by thriving off turnovers. If we are going to take the west back, this is the area that he needs to improve on. Our ability to surpass Sea rests on Kap's shoulders.

So you believe that a 3 year contender for the NFC Championship in the 49ers have all of their hopes of surpassing Seattle, which I assume you believe is what it will take to get back to the Superbowl, lying on Kaep's shoulders yet he doesn't deserve what Ryan and Romo are getting. He is better than Ryan, Romo, Flacco, Stafford, and a lot of other NFL quarterbacks. He should get a deal that starts at 14 and slowly ramps up to 18 with the first half guaranteed. That way if he continues to progress we get a top 5 QB at a bargain bin price. If he doesn't we can cut or trade him in 3 years with no penalty. This would be a 6-7 year deal with only the first three years as guaranteed money.

Who cares what Ryan or Romo gets paid...THEY ARE OVER PAID BY RETARDED ORGANIZATIONS!

We dont have to play follow the leader with the idiot GM's around the NFL.

Yes we do, or we will have to keep drafting QB's or pay an average QB to play.

Romo just took a massive pay cut, so we can now pay Kap a lot less right?

Sure, if you call converting 12.5 million of his 13.5 million dollar salary as a signing bonus this year to create cap space a pay cut.

Originally posted by jreff22:
Who cares what Ryan or Romo gets paid...THEY ARE OVER PAID BY RETARDED ORGANIZATIONS!

We dont have to play follow the leader with the idiot GM's around the NFL.

Why do some people keep repeating this argument? The market sets the price for anything. It is what it is. It doesn't matter how it gets set.

Originally posted by pd24:
Sure, if you call converting 12.5 million of his 13.5 million dollar salary as a signing bonus this year to create cap space a pay cut.

You beat me to it. There was no pay cut.

BTW is that Parge Mawhatever his name still with the 49ers? Mane i dont want a cap mess a couple of years down the road like the cowgirls have right now with Romo's and Ware's contracts.

Originally posted by sanjo49er:
BTW is that Parge Mawhatever his name still with the 49ers? Mane i dont want a cap mess a couple of years down the road like the cowgirls have right now with Romo's and Ware's contracts.

He just got promoted a few weeks ago.

Originally posted by sanjo49er:

BTW is that Parge Mawhatever his name still with the 49ers? Mane i dont want a cap mess a couple of years down the road like the cowgirls have right now with Romo's and Ware's contracts.

Yes! He's the frigging President. You know he got it on lock!

I'm thinking maybe 5-6 yrs @ $18M per...could be a little more or the contract could be structured for Kap to get bonuses by meeting certain criteria (i.e. SB win, completion %, # TD's, etc.).

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24469225/kaepernick-will-get-his-20m-per-deal-whether-niners-pay-up-now-or-later
Kaepernick's playoff productivity: A comparison
QB W-L Win % QB Rating Pass Yds Yds/Att TD/Int Rush Yds Rush Avg TD Total Yds (Avg)
Colin Kaepernick 4-2 66.7 87.3 1,374 8.48 1.4 (7/5) 507 9.9 4 1,881 (313.5)
Tom Brady 16-6 72.7 89.5 5,385 6.79 1.9 (38/20) 80 1.5 3 5,465 (248.4)
Peyton Manning 9-10 47.6 88.6 5,389 7.51 1.5 (29/19) 27 1.2 3 5,416 (285.0)
Joe Flacco 5-4 55.6 69.0 1,532 6.20 1.0 (8/8) 63 1.9 1 1,595 (177.2)
Ben Roethlisberger 5-2 71.4 86.6 1,547 8.19 1.1 (12/11) 125 3.9 2 1,672 (239.0)
Drew Brees 4-3 57.1 106.1 2,052 7.20 7.5 (15/2) 25 1.6 0 2,077 (296.7)
Eli Manning 4-2 66.7 88.2 1,128 6.88 1.6 (8/5) 14 1.4 0 1,142 (190.3)
Mark Sanchez 4-2 66.7 94.3 1,155 7.36 3.0 (9/3) 9 0.8 0 1,164 (194.0)
Matt Ryan 1-4 20.0 85.2 1,230 6.58 1.3 (9/7) 18 1.6 0 1,248 (249.6)
Philip Rivers 2-2 50.0 81.8 997 8.45 0.8 (4/5) 1 0.1 0 998 (249.5)
Tony Romo 1-3 25.0 80.8 832 6.16 2.0 (4/2) 21 3.0 0 853 (213.2)
Andrew Luck 1-2 33.3 70.0 1,062 7.59 0.8 (6/8) 85 7.1 0 1,147 (382.3)
Andy Dalton 0-3 0.0 56.2 718 5.84 0.2 (1/6) 58 4.8 0 776 (259.3)
Jay Cutler 0-2 0.0 84.8 354 8.43 2.0 (2/1) 53 5.3 2 407 (203.5)
Carson Palmer 0-2 0.0 66.5 212 5.73 1.0 (1/1) 2 2.0 0 214 (107)
Colin's Rank: -- 3rd 6th -- 1st -- 1st 1st 1st 2nd

Originally posted by 16to87:
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24469225/kaepernick-will-get-his-20m-per-deal-whether-niners-pay-up-now-or-later

Nice post. Here are some eye poppin facts from the article:

"Kaepernick currently stands third in postseason history in yards per pass attempt (among anyone with 100 playoff pass attempts), at a gaudy 8.48.

His average of 9.9 yards per scrimmage touch, in the NFL playoffs, is the best in league history for any quarterback.

Kaepernick is second all-time among quarterbacks with 507 scrimmage yards in the postseason, behind only Hall of Famer Steve Young (and Young amassed that yardage on 96 carries, while Kaepernick has only 51 playoff rushing attempts). Oh, and those 51 playoff rushes are already 10th in NFL history for any quarterback, yet Kaepernick has played only six postseason games (4-2). John Elway, by comparison, had 94 rushes for 484 yards all-time in the playoffs."


Good thing we have a stacked team which allows for Kap to keep setting these milestones in the post season...

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Nice post. Here are some eye poppin facts from the article:

"Kaepernick currently stands third in postseason history in yards per pass attempt (among anyone with 100 playoff pass attempts), at a gaudy 8.48.

His average of 9.9 yards per scrimmage touch, in the NFL playoffs, is the best in league history for any quarterback.

Kaepernick is second all-time among quarterbacks with 507 scrimmage yards in the postseason, behind only Hall of Famer Steve Young (and Young amassed that yardage on 96 carries, while Kaepernick has only 51 playoff rushing attempts). Oh, and those 51 playoff rushes are already 10th in NFL history for any quarterback, yet Kaepernick has played only six postseason games (4-2). John Elway, by comparison, had 94 rushes for 484 yards all-time in the playoffs."

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Nice post. Here are some eye poppin facts from the article:

"Kaepernick currently stands third in postseason history in yards per pass attempt (among anyone with 100 playoff pass attempts), at a gaudy 8.48.

His average of 9.9 yards per scrimmage touch, in the NFL playoffs, is the best in league history for any quarterback.

Kaepernick is second all-time among quarterbacks with 507 scrimmage yards in the postseason, behind only Hall of Famer Steve Young (and Young amassed that yardage on 96 carries, while Kaepernick has only 51 playoff rushing attempts). Oh, and those 51 playoff rushes are already 10th in NFL history for any quarterback, yet Kaepernick has played only six postseason games (4-2). John Elway, by comparison, had 94 rushes for 484 yards all-time in the playoffs."

stacked team. blaine gabbert or jimmy garrapolo could do the same thing...../thread

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Nice post. Here are some eye poppin facts from the article:

"Kaepernick currently stands third in postseason history in yards per pass attempt (among anyone with 100 playoff pass attempts), at a gaudy 8.48.

His average of 9.9 yards per scrimmage touch, in the NFL playoffs, is the best in league history for any quarterback.

Kaepernick is second all-time among quarterbacks with 507 scrimmage yards in the postseason, behind only Hall of Famer Steve Young (and Young amassed that yardage on 96 carries, while Kaepernick has only 51 playoff rushing attempts). Oh, and those 51 playoff rushes are already 10th in NFL history for any quarterback, yet Kaepernick has played only six postseason games (4-2). John Elway, by comparison, had 94 rushes for 484 yards all-time in the playoffs."

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Nice post. Here are some eye poppin facts from the article:

"Kaepernick currently stands third in postseason history in yards per pass attempt (among anyone with 100 playoff pass attempts), at a gaudy 8.48.

His average of 9.9 yards per scrimmage touch, in the NFL playoffs, is the best in league history for any quarterback.

Kaepernick is second all-time among quarterbacks with 507 scrimmage yards in the postseason, behind only Hall of Famer Steve Young (and Young amassed that yardage on 96 carries, while Kaepernick has only 51 playoff rushing attempts). Oh, and those 51 playoff rushes are already 10th in NFL history for any quarterback, yet Kaepernick has played only six postseason games (4-2). John Elway, by comparison, had 94 rushes for 484 yards all-time in the playoffs."

stacked team. blaine gabbert or jimmy garrapolo could do the same thing...../thread

Originally posted by crabman82:
stacked team. blaine gabbert or jimmy garrapolo could do the same thing...../thread

Originally posted by pd24:
18 is right on the money. It is what he is worth in the NFL today. If we don't sign him for that and wait until next year, it will be more with the Cap going up and other Qb's about to get paid.

Exactly. LOL at the 49ers front office if they wait until Luck sign his deal for well north of 20 million a year. If Kap once again does better than Luck the 49ers will be looking at a contract of at least 22 million a year for Kap.

More fun facts from that article:

Now let's take a look at how Kaepernick has fared against every other full-time starting quarterback in the NFL since he took over for Alex Smith in San Francisco midway through 2012 (including regular season and playoffs). It's fairly astonishing.

His passer rating of 92.8 is eighth best in the entire league of qualified passers in that span, ahead of Matt Ryan and Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger and Cam Newton and Jay Cutler and plenty of others. It's also way, way ahead of Luck and Flacco and Ryan Tannehill, for comparison's sake. (Oh, and Matt Stafford, he of the $18 million contract, is not even in the top 25).

In yards per attempt, Kaepernick trails only Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson in that span (Wilson isn't eligible for a contract extension until 2015, as a 2012 draft pick, and, trust me, count Pete Prisco among those who know I will be constructing a column just like this on Wilson's behalf a year from now, as I am a champion of his as well). Kaepernick stands 11th in TD passes in the NFL (38) since taking over as starter, one behind Flacco and three behind Luck -- despite far fewer attempts -- and only four behind Wilson and five behind Ryan.

However, Kaepernick's 16 INTs -- in 29 total regular season and playoff games -- puts him in the most elite company, as Rogers, Alex Smith, Wilson and RG3 are the only full-time starters with fewer picks in that span. In terms of TD-to-INT ratio, Kaepernick is right there with Brees since taking over as a starter, and his percentage of first-down passes is sixth best (37 percent), on equal footing with guys like Rogers and Brady and Brees. Always impressive company to keep.

Only Brees (68) and Peyton Manning (67) have more completions of 25-plus yards since Kaepernick became a starter (he has 61) and only eight other men have more overall passing yards since he took over for Smith. And when you factor in total scrimmage yards, in the regular season and playoffs, Kaepernick's uniqueness becomes even more unmistakable.

Since Kaepernick received his first NFL start, he has 185 rushes (regular season and playoffs), tied with Cam Newton for most among all quarterbacks. Yet Kaepernick has 1,269 rushing yards, over 200 more than Newton in that span (Wilson is the only other quarterback in the league with over 1,000 scrimmage yards). Newton and Kaepernick are tied with 10 rushing TDs (playoff and regular season) since Nov. 18, 2012 (no other quarterback has more than six in that span), while Kaepernick's 43.8 scrimmage yards per game are most of any regular starter in that span (Cam is at 42.8). Kaepernick's mark of 6.9 yards per rush blows away the competition (Wilson is next at 6.1), and further cements him as a freak-of-nature talent.