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Film analysis Carolina Panthers

Nice work th...nice to see us spread them out 3 or 4 wide. I can't tell you how many times I find myself yelling at the TV to CK, "NOW! Throw it NOW!" And often times he finds the right read but the ball is coming out a second too late on these PS plays.

Super excited to see how many 3-4-5 WR pro sets we saw in this GB game despite the weather clearly affecting throws (even intermediate throws).
[ Edited by NCommand on Jan 8, 2014 at 8:42 AM ]
Any thoughts on how we're going to want to attack the Panthers both offensive and defensively? Also, how they will attack us?
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Boldin and Manningham were both open, that was a bad play by Kaepernick by locking in on VD.

I remember that last play. I felt Mario should have slanted shorter right into the group of 3 defenders or stopped right in front of them for a short curl. This play appeared to be a one read designed timing play to VD on the motion out similar to what we used to run for Jerry. Take a look at Mario on the gif. He obviously runs around the group of defenders as his initial vector was right into the group. If he seals that or even cuts in front of them, they don't catch VD and it is VD one on one with the CB which I will take anyday.

If you notice, Mario ended up at the same level as Boldin, which is not right. Mario should have been on the underneath level. The lack of execution on this play was all on him.

[ Edited by Joecool on Jan 7, 2014 at 4:09 PM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Boldin and Manningham were both open, that was a bad play by Kaepernick by locking in on VD.

I remember that last play. I felt Mario should have slanted shorter right into the group of 3 defenders or stopped right in front of them for a short curl. This play appeared to be a one read designed timing play to VD on the motion out similar to what we used to run for Jerry. Take a look at Mario on the gif. He obviously runs around the group of defenders as his initial vector was right into the group. If he seals that or even cuts in front of them, they don't catch VD and it is VD one on one with the CB which I will take anyday.

If you notice, Mario ended up at the same level as Boldin, which is not right. Mario should have been on the underneath level. The lack of execution on this play was all on him.


That was like this past w/e's INT to VD. Nobody bought Boldin's clear-out route for a second...they must have scouted this one; inside the RZ get ready for a sprint right toss to...oh wait...we're still doing that!
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
On the almost INT... I think the pass was thrown accurately , but late getting there. The timing was off. Kaep should've thrown it earlier. You see Boldin turned his head at the 45yds line but the ball didn't get to him until he was at the 35yds line. It gave the defender time to recover and make a play on it. We just have to roll with it until Kaep can recognized it a tick tock earlier.

Also, look at Kaep's drop back. He paused at the end of the drop, then took another step back, like he's resetting his foot. That takes away the timing. The pass should've been thrown to between the 45-40 yard line.

Kaep doesn't throw them open...he waits until they're open and trusts that his "strong arm" will make up for it...that is his biggest weakness...if he could just trust the receivers to be where they're supposed to be and throw before they make that break, this offense would be wide open!!
Originally posted by bonafidejonb:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
On the almost INT... I think the pass was thrown accurately , but late getting there. The timing was off. Kaep should've thrown it earlier. You see Boldin turned his head at the 45yds line but the ball didn't get to him until he was at the 35yds line. It gave the defender time to recover and make a play on it. We just have to roll with it until Kaep can recognized it a tick tock earlier.

Also, look at Kaep's drop back. He paused at the end of the drop, then took another step back, like he's resetting his foot. That takes away the timing. The pass should've been thrown to between the 45-40 yard line.

Kaep doesn't throw them open...he waits until they're open and trusts that his "strong arm" will make up for it...that is his biggest weakness...if he could just trust the receivers to be where they're supposed to be and throw before they make that break, this offense would be wide open!!

Sadly, this is very true much of the time. I have a long list of things CK must improve upon. Perhaps next year he can lift less weights and work on QB mechanics with Harbaugh?
I think the 49ers should bunch formation 3 wrs and VD and spread out this tough Panther defense. Its next to impossible to run on these guys. I think quick hitters and hook & curls could be there all day though.
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
I think the 49ers should bunch formation 3 wrs and VD and spread out this tough Panther defense. Its next to impossible to run on these guys. I think quick hitters and hook & curls could be there all day though.

You're overrating them...they are not impossible to run on. Gore ran off some big runs of them last time we played.
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
I think the 49ers should bunch formation 3 wrs and VD and spread out this tough Panther defense. Its next to impossible to run on these guys. I think quick hitters and hook & curls could be there all day though.

You're overrating them...they are not impossible to run on. Gore ran off some big runs of them last time we played.

16 for 82, we simply just went away from it
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
I think the 49ers should bunch formation 3 wrs and VD and spread out this tough Panther defense. Its next to impossible to run on these guys. I think quick hitters and hook & curls could be there all day though.

You're overrating them...they are not impossible to run on. Gore ran off some big runs of them last time we played.

16 for 82, we simply just went away from it

yeah that was one of the criticisms of Roman was that he didn't feed Gore in the second half.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Boldin and Manningham were both open, that was a bad play by Kaepernick by locking in on VD.

I remember that last play. I felt Mario should have slanted shorter right into the group of 3 defenders or stopped right in front of them for a short curl. This play appeared to be a one read designed timing play to VD on the motion out similar to what we used to run for Jerry. Take a look at Mario on the gif. He obviously runs around the group of defenders as his initial vector was right into the group. If he seals that or even cuts in front of them, they don't catch VD and it is VD one on one with the CB which I will take anyday.

If you notice, Mario ended up at the same level as Boldin, which is not right. Mario should have been on the underneath level. The lack of execution on this play was all on him.


That was like this past w/e's INT to VD. Nobody bought Boldin's clear-out route for a second...they must have scouted this one; inside the RZ get ready for a sprint right toss to...oh wait...we're still doing that!

This play would be prefect if they redesigned it to have the WR stop on a Curl and then begin to shuffle to the sidelines which will clear up VD or clear up the backside WR even more as attention will be on the WR running the curl and shift to the right. In case both VD and Boldin are covered, then you rifle one to Mario's ankles or knees hoping he will drop and catch it at the goalline.
Who's the guy running wide open in the back of the endzone? Seems like Kap just missed the open man by focusing on Vernon too early.
Originally posted by kray28:
Who's the guy running wide open in the back of the endzone? Seems like Kap just missed the open man by focusing on Vernon too early.

boldin
Originally posted by kray28:
Who's the guy running wide open in the back of the endzone? Seems like Kap just missed the open man by focusing on Vernon too early.

Play design is to misdirection to the left and hit VD on the other side while Manningham cuts inside clearing out that area for him...Carolina had that scouted well and didn't buy it at all (obviously). Well played on their part as the design was fine. That said, CK s/h seen 3 guys on the AR and ad libbed at which that point Boldin was wide open in the EZ. CK is better at this now...last game we ran a similar route but only had one receiving option to the right...so all-or-nothing! And we got nothing (almost a pick).
Originally posted by socalniner:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
I think the 49ers should bunch formation 3 wrs and VD and spread out this tough Panther defense. Its next to impossible to run on these guys. I think quick hitters and hook & curls could be there all day though.

You're overrating them...they are not impossible to run on. Gore ran off some big runs of them last time we played.

16 for 82, we simply just went away from it

yeah that was one of the criticisms of Roman was that he didn't feed Gore in the second half.

Gore had 12 carries for 60 yards in the first half (5.0 ypc) which was solid. I'm not a mathologist, but that leaves 4 carries for 22 yards in the second half. Something like that. What stands out is, like you said, Gore didn't get the touches in the second half. A few possible reasons for this though. With VD out, was CAR crowding the line that much more? There were several negative plays on 1st down in the second half for the 49er offense including sacks and penalties, which can kill the chance for running on 1st/2nd down.