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Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
U cant pay everyone bigg money pplz some playerz have to go..

Kap will get a nice rise but hopefully he wont break our bank 6yrz $100mill h*ll give him $60mill guarantee..

I think crabtree will be our biggest problem to resign hez already makin good money so who knowz if he'll be happy with a little dump up in cash....

Aldon Smith i think we need to lock him 5-6 yrz i think he wont break our bank after we stood by him N payed him ..

Boldin bye bye i know hate me if u want but again we cant pay everyone ...To replace Boldin we draft 2 WRz N we have Patton to step up ...

Dawson again bye bye replace with a rookie yea hate me but i hate tha idea of payin a kicker 2+ mill draft a rookie put him in ...

Miller lock him up luv tha dude ....

Culliver think we'll get him cheap hopefully he comez back strong..

Iupati this is where im just not sure again we cant pay everyone hez great but is he worth 6-8+ mill a yr im not sure can we draft someone sure we have enough pickz..

Brown bye bye i think he'll want to much money after missin out on $2mill again draft a rookie itz what tha pickz are for ...

Pretty confident Whitner is a bye bye too. We loaded up on draft picks for a reason this year. Not a coincidence imo. We're gonna have a younger team next year. And the year after that.
[ Edited by kronik on Jan 6, 2014 at 9:03 PM ]
I am glad I don't have to make these decisions. They are tough, wow.
Originally posted by DontSitOnTheHood:
Originally posted by AUniner:
There isn't a replacement in the league. Unless you put Lawrence Taylor in a Hot Tub Time Machine.

I just want a solid starter... a pass-rush specialist.

That's like a downgrade by 2-3 levels. The difference between a Calvin Johnson or AJ Green and one of those Miami Dolphin receivers.
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
U cant pay everyone bigg money pplz some playerz have to go..

Kap will get a nice rise but hopefully he wont break our bank 6yrz $100mill h*ll give him $60mill guarantee..

I think crabtree will be our biggest problem to resign hez already makin good money so who knowz if he'll be happy with a little dump up in cash....

Aldon Smith i think we need to lock him 5-6 yrz i think he wont break our bank after we stood by him N payed him ..

Boldin bye bye i know hate me if u want but again we cant pay everyone ...To replace Boldin we draft 2 WRz N we have Patton to step up ...

Dawson again bye bye replace with a rookie yea hate me but i hate tha idea of payin a kicker 2+ mill draft a rookie put him in ...

Miller lock him up luv tha dude ....

Culliver think we'll get him cheap hopefully he comez back strong..

Iupati this is where im just not sure again we cant pay everyone hez great but is he worth 6-8+ mill a yr im not sure can we draft someone sure we have enough pickz..

Brown bye bye i think he'll want to much money after missin out on $2mill again draft a rookie itz what tha pickz are for ...


You wanna give Kaep 100M over 6 with 60 guaranteed? You're crazy. He hasn't shown his worth IMO and without Harbaugh I think he flops.
Originally posted by AUniner:
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:


You wanna give Kaep 100M over 6 with 60 guaranteed? You're crazy. He hasn't shown his worth IMO and without Harbaugh I think he flops.

If he winz tha super bowl he'll get more look at what Joe Flacco got probably about tha same or more $100 mill would be cheap...
Kap - We sign our #1 priority, and he will take up #1 priority Kap room.
Aldon - Pass rush is every team's #2 priority.
Crab - Hopefully we can sign him.
Boldin - If we can't sign Crab, then we have to extend Boldin, but we can't afford both.

Everybody else is gone. Sorry. There is simply no more cap room.

Iupati - Has played like crap this year. Seriously, like crap. He is a Pro-Bowler though, and someone will consider this year a fluke and pay him big money.
Goodwin - About as gone as the "Gone" in "Gone With the Wind".
Brown - Writing already on the wall. We paid Brock, and it was a good decision, because he is just about as good and will cost us less.
Rogers - We can't float his boat any more.
Hitner - Hitner will have to be heiled by another team.

Don't want to lose any of them of course, but with Willis, Bowman, Brooks, Aldon, Kap, Crabs, and others taking us to the limit, we'll just have to deal with it.
Originally posted by AUniner:
You wanna give Kaep 100M over 6 with 60 guaranteed? You're crazy. He hasn't shown his worth IMO and without Harbaugh I think he flops.


You want to simply discard a quarterback who is undefeated in the playoffs, has more road playoff victories than all the great 49ers quarterbacks combined, has unmatched physical abilities, and with room to grow, because you're concerned with how he would perform without Harbaugh?
[ Edited by BrianGO on Jan 7, 2014 at 3:41 AM ]
Originally posted by Brando85:
Originally posted by sfout:
CK - Have to find a way to keep a franchise QB without paying him an asinine amount though

Crabtree - He's making $6 mill a year already cause of his crazy rookie deal so money isn't necessary an issue. He's #2 because we need to have a "dynamic duo" to build around for the next 5 years or so. Crucial to sustained offensive superiority.

Aldon - He's 3rd out of this list because of his numerous off-field issues. He is clearly the best pass rusher that the NFL has seen in a long time but that won't mean a lot if he hasn't turned himself around. Expect the niners to wait as long as they can before committing top, premier pass-rusher money to Aldon.

Then it becomes a an interesting list of players to pick from...... Miller, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore basically the entire 2011 class was so good we need to seriously look at which pieces are expendable.

Miller may deserve to be considered over Hunter because a veteran FB in our offense should outweigh a #2 back, especially with James and Lattimore under contract for longer.

Kilgore will probably get an "Ian Williams" deal this spring (assuming we let Goodwin go) because it would be absurd go into the season with him as our starting center have him have an above average to monster year and have him leave after 1 year (doubt that happens but you never know).

Cully was all but guaranteed the #2 CB job over rogers before he tore his acl...he'll have to show he's back to form but I think he gets an extension AFTER next year.

I'm sad to say it because I literally jumped for joy when Hunter fell to us but I have to wonder how he fits in the long term plan since we have selected TWO rbs since we've picked him. He's outperformed his rookie year this year but was it because of his return from injury that we especially took away 25% of his carries this year? Right now Gore's potentially "final" contract ends the same year as Hunter(2014) so will we wait until the end of next year to give him money or what?


I agree Aldon's value is a headscratcher. I don't think our brass looks at OLB/DE as a must pay position. Brooks got a nice bump and while Aldon is a special player I assume Trent see's that money being spent elsewhere

Are you serious? We have a kid with the potential to break the all time career sack record, and you think we'll spend the money elsewhere?

There are 3 things that are VITAL to being a SB contender. A franchise QB, a stud LT to protect that QB, and an elite pass rusher to beat other teams' stud LT to stop said QB's.

Aldon will be the highest priority not named Colin Kaepernick. Book it.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Brando85:
Originally posted by sfout:
CK - Have to find a way to keep a franchise QB without paying him an asinine amount though

Crabtree - He's making $6 mill a year already cause of his crazy rookie deal so money isn't necessary an issue. He's #2 because we need to have a "dynamic duo" to build around for the next 5 years or so. Crucial to sustained offensive superiority.

Aldon - He's 3rd out of this list because of his numerous off-field issues. He is clearly the best pass rusher that the NFL has seen in a long time but that won't mean a lot if he hasn't turned himself around. Expect the niners to wait as long as they can before committing top, premier pass-rusher money to Aldon.

Then it becomes a an interesting list of players to pick from...... Miller, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore basically the entire 2011 class was so good we need to seriously look at which pieces are expendable.

Miller may deserve to be considered over Hunter because a veteran FB in our offense should outweigh a #2 back, especially with James and Lattimore under contract for longer.

Kilgore will probably get an "Ian Williams" deal this spring (assuming we let Goodwin go) because it would be absurd go into the season with him as our starting center have him have an above average to monster year and have him leave after 1 year (doubt that happens but you never know).

Cully was all but guaranteed the #2 CB job over rogers before he tore his acl...he'll have to show he's back to form but I think he gets an extension AFTER next year.

I'm sad to say it because I literally jumped for joy when Hunter fell to us but I have to wonder how he fits in the long term plan since we have selected TWO rbs since we've picked him. He's outperformed his rookie year this year but was it because of his return from injury that we especially took away 25% of his carries this year? Right now Gore's potentially "final" contract ends the same year as Hunter(2014) so will we wait until the end of next year to give him money or what?


I agree Aldon's value is a headscratcher. I don't think our brass looks at OLB/DE as a must pay position. Brooks got a nice bump and while Aldon is a special player I assume Trent see's that money being spent elsewhere

Are you serious? We have a kid with the potential to break the all time career sack record, and you think we'll spend the money elsewhere?

There are 3 things that are VITAL to being a SB contender. A franchise QB, a stud LT to protect that QB, and an elite pass rusher to beat other teams' stud LT to stop said QB's.

Aldon will be the highest priority not named Colin Kaepernick. Book it.

I think people forgot what they saw from Aldon in year 1 and 2. And fail to realize he can't be stopped unless he is held for the most part. Maybe we haven't seen elite pass rushing in so long we forgot what it looks like. I don't know how to call it. But Aldon is going nowhere. Everyone not already signed pass 2014 will be gone before they let either Colin Kaepernick and Aldon Smith go.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by AUniner:
You wanna give Kaep 100M over 6 with 60 guaranteed? You're crazy. He hasn't shown his worth IMO and without Harbaugh I think he flops.


You want to simply discard a quarterback who is undefeated in the playoffs, has more road playoff victories than all the great 49ers quarterbacks combined, has unmatched physical abilities, and with room to grow, because you're concerned with how he would perform without Harbaugh?


I never said I wanted to discard Kaepernick. But I want him here at the right price. Without the other pieces on the field & Harbaugh he is less valuable IMO. He needs top flight receivers. He needs an elite defense still. To overpay him now would be at the detriment of the team IMO. We can't afford to search for a new #1 WR anymore than we can a QB because without that number 1 WR he's struggled.

I would happily give him a 5 year deal at say $80M.... I understand that is probably reaching when your talking about a franchise QB. I think Aldon & Crabs are both around the 5 year $70M.

If we want to extend Kaep, Crabs and Aldon then their salaries are going to take up around 40-50% of our cap room. We need to learn from The Ravens mistake and not overpay the QB. The other pieces are just as important.

If they give Kaep a $120M 6yr deal then they better throw a bunch of picks in for Sammy Watkins coz Crabs won't be back.
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Brando85:
Originally posted by sfout:
CK - Have to find a way to keep a franchise QB without paying him an asinine amount though

Crabtree - He's making $6 mill a year already cause of his crazy rookie deal so money isn't necessary an issue. He's #2 because we need to have a "dynamic duo" to build around for the next 5 years or so. Crucial to sustained offensive superiority.

Aldon - He's 3rd out of this list because of his numerous off-field issues. He is clearly the best pass rusher that the NFL has seen in a long time but that won't mean a lot if he hasn't turned himself around. Expect the niners to wait as long as they can before committing top, premier pass-rusher money to Aldon.

Then it becomes a an interesting list of players to pick from...... Miller, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore basically the entire 2011 class was so good we need to seriously look at which pieces are expendable.

Miller may deserve to be considered over Hunter because a veteran FB in our offense should outweigh a #2 back, especially with James and Lattimore under contract for longer.

Kilgore will probably get an "Ian Williams" deal this spring (assuming we let Goodwin go) because it would be absurd go into the season with him as our starting center have him have an above average to monster year and have him leave after 1 year (doubt that happens but you never know).

Cully was all but guaranteed the #2 CB job over rogers before he tore his acl...he'll have to show he's back to form but I think he gets an extension AFTER next year.

I'm sad to say it because I literally jumped for joy when Hunter fell to us but I have to wonder how he fits in the long term plan since we have selected TWO rbs since we've picked him. He's outperformed his rookie year this year but was it because of his return from injury that we especially took away 25% of his carries this year? Right now Gore's potentially "final" contract ends the same year as Hunter(2014) so will we wait until the end of next year to give him money or what?


I agree Aldon's value is a headscratcher. I don't think our brass looks at OLB/DE as a must pay position. Brooks got a nice bump and while Aldon is a special player I assume Trent see's that money being spent elsewhere

Are you serious? We have a kid with the potential to break the all time career sack record, and you think we'll spend the money elsewhere?

There are 3 things that are VITAL to being a SB contender. A franchise QB, a stud LT to protect that QB, and an elite pass rusher to beat other teams' stud LT to stop said QB's.

Aldon will be the highest priority not named Colin Kaepernick. Book it.

I think people forgot what they saw from Aldon in year 1 and 2. And fail to realize he can't be stopped unless he is held for the most part. Maybe we haven't seen elite pass rushing in so long we forgot what it looks like. I don't know how to call it. But Aldon is going nowhere. Everyone not already signed pass 2014 will be gone before they let either Colin Kaepernick and Aldon Smith go.

I never said they'd let Aldon go. I just said Baalke will wait as long as he possibly can before committing the top-5 money that Aldon will command/deserve. I said it myself, Aldon is basically the best pass rusher the NFL has seen in years, they'd be foolish to let him go but his maturity will dictate how much and how they pay him.
[ Edited by sfout on Jan 7, 2014 at 4:08 PM ]
Originally posted by AUniner:
I never said I wanted to discard Kaepernick. But I want him here at the right price. Without the other pieces on the field & Harbaugh he is less valuable IMO. He needs top flight receivers. He needs an elite defense still. To overpay him now would be at the detriment of the team IMO. We can't afford to search for a new #1 WR anymore than we can a QB because without that number 1 WR he's struggled.

I would happily give him a 5 year deal at say $80M.... I understand that is probably reaching when your talking about a franchise QB. I think Aldon & Crabs are both around the 5 year $70M.

If we want to extend Kaep, Crabs and Aldon then their salaries are going to take up around 40-50% of our cap room. We need to learn from The Ravens mistake and not overpay the QB. The other pieces are just as important.

If they give Kaep a $120M 6yr deal then they better throw a bunch of picks in for Sammy Watkins coz Crabs won't be back.


The "right" price?

Kap had the second highest QBR in the postseason last year. This year, once again, he has the second highest. Only Lucks super performance was better. Kap's play is about as consistent as it gets.

He was a top ten quarterback with only one WR, with Crabs back he is top five. What is the "right" price for those 3rd down scrambles at the end of the Green Bay game? We would not have won with some blah quarterback in Green Bay. We would not have won the NFC championship last year with some blah quarterback.

We can and will afford Kap. Flacco is a joke compared to Kap. So is Romo and Cutler.
Kap will be paid at least as much as those guys. I think we can keep Kap, Aldon and either Crabs or Boldin. Then we can use our draft picks to fill in what we have lost. That is the only way to go about it. When you have a top five quarterback you have to pay him market value. There is no way around it.

We will lose Iupati, Brown, Rogers, Whitner, Goodwin, and probably a few others. And we will be FINE. We have a crap load of draft picks and we can fill in the gaps.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by AUniner:
I never said I wanted to discard Kaepernick. But I want him here at the right price. Without the other pieces on the field & Harbaugh he is less valuable IMO. He needs top flight receivers. He needs an elite defense still. To overpay him now would be at the detriment of the team IMO. We can't afford to search for a new #1 WR anymore than we can a QB because without that number 1 WR he's struggled.

I would happily give him a 5 year deal at say $80M.... I understand that is probably reaching when your talking about a franchise QB. I think Aldon & Crabs are both around the 5 year $70M.

If we want to extend Kaep, Crabs and Aldon then their salaries are going to take up around 40-50% of our cap room. We need to learn from The Ravens mistake and not overpay the QB. The other pieces are just as important.

If they give Kaep a $120M 6yr deal then they better throw a bunch of picks in for Sammy Watkins coz Crabs won't be back.


The "right" price?

Kap had the second highest QBR in the postseason last year. This year, once again, he has the second highest. Only Lucks super performance was better. Kap's play is about as consistent as it gets.

He was a top ten quarterback with only one WR, with Crabs back he is top five. What is the "right" price for those 3rd down scrambles at the end of the Green Bay game? We would not have won with some blah quarterback in Green Bay. We would not have won the NFC championship last year with some blah quarterback.

We can and will afford Kap. Flacco is a joke compared to Kap. So is Romo and Cutler.
Kap will be paid at least as much as those guys. I think we can keep Kap, Aldon and either Crabs or Boldin. Then we can use our draft picks to fill in what we have lost. That is the only way to go about it. When you have a top five quarterback you have to pay him market value. There is no way around it.

We will lose Iupati, Brown, Rogers, Whitner, Goodwin, and probably a few others. And we will be FINE. We have a crap load of draft picks and we can fill in the gaps.

We need AB81 to break it down for us lol. I have to find that thread he had some months back with a breakdown of a possible cap outlook for 2014 and 2015. I do not believe Baalke will have three guys taking up almost 50% of the cap space. I don't know how he'll get it done, but he will, and I think we have a relatively unselfish group of guys who have not sought to break the bank with their deals.
[ Edited by LifelongNiner on Jan 7, 2014 at 6:36 PM ]
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
We need AB81 to break it down for us lol. I have to find that thread he had some months back with a breakdown of a possible cap outlook for 2014 and 2015.


It was a heavenly scenario he laid out, and I hope he is right. The only problem is that is required some big discounts from most players. These "hometown" discounts rarely happen, and when they do we are talking about at most 10%.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
We need AB81 to break it down for us lol. I have to find that thread he had some months back with a breakdown of a possible cap outlook for 2014 and 2015.


It was a heavenly scenario he laid out, and I hope he is right. The only problem is that is required some big discounts from most players. These "hometown" discounts rarely happen, and when they do we are talking about at most 10%.

and when they happen its usually later in the career like tom brady just did. on the 2nd nfl contract these guys look for loot.