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Originally posted by AUniner:
There isn't a replacement in the league. Unless you put Lawrence Taylor in a Hot Tub Time Machine.

I just want a solid starter... a pass-rush specialist.
Brando85 your assessment on Miller and Hunter is interesting. Miller has become in integral part of the 49er offense, the coaching staff and his teammates trust him in crucial situations. I'm a Hunter fan and root for him every time he gets a touch. But, is he too small? Can he carry the load when Frank retires? The standard in the NFL for a running back is the Marshawn Lynch-Eddie Lacy body type. If Lattimore can produce Kendall's days may be numbered.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I'm going to try to do this in the order that I think things will fall.

1. Harbaugh- He still has two more years, but I think he'll be extended this offseason.

2. Boldin- where would we be without him? Should be easy to do a 2-3 year deal.

3. Frank Gore- Restructure and extend for 2 years. That will take us to 2016 where he should be ready to hang it up.

4. Kaepernick- May as well get it done now. This price tag is only going to climb higher and higher. I do believe he won't break the bank considering how he faired without Michael Crabtree mainly, and Mario Manningham (a healthy Mario) and Vernon Davis for some stretches this season.

5. Phil Dawson- Easy extension.

6. Role players- Bruce Miller, Perrish Cox, Eric Wright, Michael Wilhoite, Kassim Osgood, Bubba Ventrone, Daniel Kilgore (Ian Williams type deal)

7. Michael Crabtree- Hopefully he realizes that he and Kaep can have a special connection and will not seek to break the bank. He does deserve more, but will have to take less than what he could get in order to keep this team together. A Dwayne Bowe type of deal would be ideal. I have to admit, it must really suck watching guys who have done less get paid more.

8. Aldon Smith- I think he will be fine off the field. And he will be extended. Its clear no one can stop the man unless they blatantly hold. Vic Fangio will have to spend this offseason figuring out how to get things going.

9. Chris Culliver or Mike Iupati- One of these players will be the odd man out.

I like this list but would change #8:

8. Bring in rookies to compete at CB, WR, and C/G. This would give Baalke some bargaining power...then let the chips fall where they may.
Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Brando85 your assessment on Miller and Hunter is interesting. Miller has become in integral part of the 49er offense, the coaching staff and his teammates trust him in crucial situations. I'm a Hunter fan and root for him every time he gets a touch. But, is he too small? Can he carry the load when Frank retires? The standard in the NFL for a running back is the Marshawn Lynch-Eddie Lacy body type. If Lattimore can produce Kendall's days may be numbered.

There's 2 running backs in the NFL with Lacy/Lynch body types... Lacy and Lynch.

Hunter's body-type is just fine.
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by HERN:
Originally posted by Brando85:
Originally posted by sfout:
CK - Have to find a way to keep a franchise QB without paying him an asinine amount though

Crabtree - He's making $6 mill a year already cause of his crazy rookie deal so money isn't necessary an issue. He's #2 because we need to have a "dynamic duo" to build around for the next 5 years or so. Crucial to sustained offensive superiority.

Aldon - He's 3rd out of this list because of his numerous off-field issues. He is clearly the best pass rusher that the NFL has seen in a long time but that won't mean a lot if he hasn't turned himself around. Expect the niners to wait as long as they can before committing top, premier pass-rusher money to Aldon.

Then it becomes a an interesting list of players to pick from...... Miller, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore basically the entire 2011 class was so good we need to seriously look at which pieces are expendable.

Miller may deserve to be considered over Hunter because a veteran FB in our offense should outweigh a #2 back, especially with James and Lattimore under contract for longer.

Kilgore will probably get an "Ian Williams" deal this spring (assuming we let Goodwin go) because it would be absurd go into the season with him as our starting center have him have an above average to monster year and have him leave after 1 year (doubt that happens but you never know).

Cully was all but guaranteed the #2 CB job over rogers before he tore his acl...he'll have to show he's back to form but I think he gets an extension AFTER next year.

I'm sad to say it because I literally jumped for joy when Hunter fell to us but I have to wonder how he fits in the long term plan since we have selected TWO rbs since we've picked him. He's outperformed his rookie year this year but was it because of his return from injury that we especially took away 25% of his carries this year? Right now Gore's potentially "final" contract ends the same year as Hunter(2014) so will we wait until the end of next year to give him money or what?


I agree Aldon's value is a headscratcher. I don't think our brass looks at OLB/DE as a must pay position. Brooks got a nice bump and while Aldon is a special player I assume Trent see's that money being spent elsewhere

I love Aldon Smith, but the last couple games I've noticed that he gives up on plays way to easily. It's not a major concern, but certainly something to keep an eye on.

If you were bearhugged at the line of scrimmage and you know the referees aren't calling a thing, you don't think you'd be a little discouraged?

Bearhugged or not you gotta play to the whistle. Ray McDonald is a great example of that.
No way in hell we let a legit pass rusher walk, unless he continues to be a bone head off the field then maybe you reconsider. How long was it that we have been looking for a great pass rusher before we struck gold with aldon? I know for a fact along with aldon you find a way to keep the franchise qb, his #1 wr who's a legit #1 and a top 3 if not the best pass rusher in the game.
Originally posted by HERN:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by HERN:
Originally posted by Brando85:
Originally posted by sfout:
CK - Have to find a way to keep a franchise QB without paying him an asinine amount though

Crabtree - He's making $6 mill a year already cause of his crazy rookie deal so money isn't necessary an issue. He's #2 because we need to have a "dynamic duo" to build around for the next 5 years or so. Crucial to sustained offensive superiority.

Aldon - He's 3rd out of this list because of his numerous off-field issues. He is clearly the best pass rusher that the NFL has seen in a long time but that won't mean a lot if he hasn't turned himself around. Expect the niners to wait as long as they can before committing top, premier pass-rusher money to Aldon.

Then it becomes a an interesting list of players to pick from...... Miller, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore basically the entire 2011 class was so good we need to seriously look at which pieces are expendable.

Miller may deserve to be considered over Hunter because a veteran FB in our offense should outweigh a #2 back, especially with James and Lattimore under contract for longer.

Kilgore will probably get an "Ian Williams" deal this spring (assuming we let Goodwin go) because it would be absurd go into the season with him as our starting center have him have an above average to monster year and have him leave after 1 year (doubt that happens but you never know).

Cully was all but guaranteed the #2 CB job over rogers before he tore his acl...he'll have to show he's back to form but I think he gets an extension AFTER next year.

I'm sad to say it because I literally jumped for joy when Hunter fell to us but I have to wonder how he fits in the long term plan since we have selected TWO rbs since we've picked him. He's outperformed his rookie year this year but was it because of his return from injury that we especially took away 25% of his carries this year? Right now Gore's potentially "final" contract ends the same year as Hunter(2014) so will we wait until the end of next year to give him money or what?


I agree Aldon's value is a headscratcher. I don't think our brass looks at OLB/DE as a must pay position. Brooks got a nice bump and while Aldon is a special player I assume Trent see's that money being spent elsewhere

I love Aldon Smith, but the last couple games I've noticed that he gives up on plays way to easily. It's not a major concern, but certainly something to keep an eye on.

If you were bearhugged at the line of scrimmage and you know the referees aren't calling a thing, you don't think you'd be a little discouraged?

Bearhugged or not you gotta play to the whistle. Ray McDonald is a great example of that.

True, but also have to factor in the dehydration. Not making excuses, but we knew something was completely right with Aldon. I think Fangio is going to have to do some things scheme wise differently next year. Basically how to get the pressure when guys are double teaming Aldon or God forbid, he is blocked (held) one on one.
Always been a believer in O-line. That being said Lupati. I like him, but Crabtree has to come before him. Much easier to replace a guard then the absolute stud Crabtree has become.
Kap, Crab, Aldon, Boldin, Iupati. I will default to AB for the contract estimates. That's my order of importance but fortunately we dont have to resign Crabtree or Aldon yet. But it's getting close.
Originally posted by DontSitOnTheHood:
There's 2 running backs in the NFL with Lacy/Lynch body types... Lacy and Lynch.

Hunter's body-type is just fine.

Knile Davis 5'10" 227' Christine Michael 5'10" 221, Ryan Matthews 6'0" 220, Stephen Jackson 6'2" 240, Trent Richardson 5'9" 225, I'm sure if I looked closer there are many more.
No matter how you slice it, Kap, Crab, and Aldon will each be looking for top 5 money.
Come hell or high water signing Kap will priority #1. In my mind that's undisputable. King Crab and Aldon Smith are elite at their positions however both have drawbacks. Smith with his off season issues and Crabs who's injury prone. If we do sign all three players well have to seriously gut many other parts on this team. Well, just have to wait and see. That's why our GM makes the big bucks!
[ Edited by Olejohnnyboy on Jan 6, 2014 at 7:55 PM ]
I think they sign Iupati to a 10 year Mega Contract extension and let Kap and Crabs walk.


Does it sound crazy that I might actually rank Crabs over Aldon at this point? Kap is a non-negotiable must.
[ Edited by SFsFinest on Jan 6, 2014 at 8:10 PM ]
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Fire erryone / Hire errybody
U cant pay everyone bigg money pplz some playerz have to go..

Kap will get a nice rise but hopefully he wont break our bank 6yrz $100mill h*ll give him $60mill guarantee..

I think crabtree will be our biggest problem to resign hez already makin good money so who knowz if he'll be happy with a little dump up in cash....

Aldon Smith i think we need to lock him 5-6 yrz i think he wont break our bank after we stood by him N payed him ..

Boldin bye bye i know hate me if u want but again we cant pay everyone ...To replace Boldin we draft 2 WRz N we have Patton to step up ...

Dawson again bye bye replace with a rookie yea hate me but i hate tha idea of payin a kicker 2+ mill draft a rookie put him in ...

Miller lock him up luv tha dude ....

Culliver think we'll get him cheap hopefully he comez back strong..

Iupati this is where im just not sure again we cant pay everyone hez great but is he worth 6-8+ mill a yr im not sure can we draft someone sure we have enough pickz..

Brown bye bye i think he'll want to much money after missin out on $2mill again draft a rookie itz what tha pickz are for ...

Whitner yea aonther bye bye i think he'll want a pay rise N again we cant pay everyone(but ur sick of reading that lol)
[ Edited by tatdwolf49 on Jan 6, 2014 at 9:08 PM ]
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