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Coaching Staff Changes Watch

Coaching Staff Changes Watch

Looks like we'll be Roman again.
Originally posted by dj43:
Yes, coaching had a great deal to do with the success. By just not screwing anything up like Singletary did, the talent on the team was able to play. Harbaugh did bring some tricks that helped them win that first year but by year two those no longer worked. The offense became mired in the same old stew and remains there now. Harbaugh was great compared to Singletary but still has the same game and time management issues, still ultra conservative offense, etc.

Second, Harbaugh benefitted by the timing of his arrival. Vernon Davis had matured due to Singletary's handling and was ready to break out. Patrick Willis had become a star. Other key players had a reached a maturity level as well. He did little to develop much of the core of the team.

In short, all he had to do was not screw up the talent that was already here. He has done that, but the team continues to struggle on the same hurdle it did the first year he was here. It is hard to say this team has gotten better since that first year, particularly on offense. Holding serve is not a great achievement.
This is extremely cynical and completely unfair.

The 49ers came within one play of winning the Superbowl last year, and came within one play in two other years from reaching the Super Bowl. I don't care how talented a team is, there's no way you maintain that level of success without having great coaching at the top. There is an immense amount of gameplanning and preparation that takes place. It's more than just the players. To try to assert that Harbaugh as a coach is the equivalent of the cliche "game manager" quarterback is just ridiculous!

There is a reason that the success of this team skyrocketed once Harbaugh got here. We went from a losing, mediocre team to an absolute juggernaut. To try to discredit Harbaugh for that is completely unreasonable.

If the coaching was so inept, we wouldn't be fretting over bad calls at the end of the game. We'd be upset that our team was absolutely decimated and didn't stand a chance from the second the game started. Even in these title games we've lost, we've been highly competitive. That is indicative of good coaching, because deep into the playoffs you should be completely out-classed by the coaches you're facing if you don't know what you're doing.
[ Edited by theduke85 on Jan 24, 2014 at 9:31 AM ]
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by maxsmart:
Originally posted by dj43:
. . . Harbaugh and staff have had nothing to add to an offense that was designed in college and is no longer generating at the top level. Not say coaching is bad. It is good, not great. This off-season will see if Harbaugh catches up.

I agree that the offensive scheme and OC play-calling are poor. By simply hiring a very good OC and giving him power to implement and revamp the offensive scheme I think we would win it all. Ball-control passing was non-existent. Steve Young always said that passes to TE and RB are how a QB gets confidence and a feel/rhythm. Gore had 16 catches. Hunter had 2. McDonald had 8. Celek and James had 2.

Simply designing short passes to these guys (TE & RB) would loosen up the defense, develop these players, improve their confidence, move the chains and tire the defense, and help Kap get a better feel for the game.
I agree with all you said here, especially the part about using short passes to backs and TEs. That has always been a part of the WCO. From Charle Young to John Frank, Brent Jones and Eric Johnson were always a part of that ball-control offense. As we all know, Roger Craig set a record for backs receiving the ball. Walsh used to call those plays "long handoffs."

However, Harbaugh has CLEARLY shown us he has no interest in that type of offense. In addition to getting rid of the perfect QB to execute that offense, he passed on pass-catching tight ends like Coby Fleener and Zach Ertz in favor of a lumbering behemoth (McDonald) that has been used as a blocker for his power running game more than anything else.

We can forget about a change in OC to bring in some other kind of offense. HARBAUGH is making the calls here via Greg Roman. This is HARBAUGH'S offense and he is not going to change it. We can talk about Baalke stepping in and forcing a change but given the rumors about Harbaugh asking for MORE control over personnel and the like, the chances of Baalke forcing a change in OC without also a change in HC do not seem likely to me. This is who Harbaugh is. He is far better than Singletary but far behind Bill Walsh. We may as well learn to live with it as long as he remains HC. I hope I am proven wrong but I don't see any signs of change.

And this is why regardless of what talent is waiting in the wings, I'm not excited. Predictable offense nets the same results the regardless of the players.
[ Edited by NinerGM on Jan 24, 2014 at 4:06 PM ]
Originally posted by NinerGM:
And this is why regardless of what talent is waiting in the wings, I'm not excited. Predictable offense nets the same results the regardless of the players.

Yeah. I agree with the sentiment. I don't see myself being surprised next year. The offense will continue to flounder, only getting yardage on chunk plays set up by smoke and mirrors. No consistency. It's unlikely Kap will change his offseason prep. He has a marketing niche now as the anti-Tebow. He will continue to pump iron and I see the same accuracy next year as we saw this year. Our D will not have Bowman though, and our schedule will be harder.
Does this prove our assistants suck? Seriously, if I told you three years ago we would go to 3 straight NFC Championships and not one of our coordinators would be poached, you'd think I was crazy.
....sigh...Are we going to turn into the Buffalo Bills of the 21 century?....sigh....
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
And this is why regardless of what talent is waiting in the wings, I'm not excited. Predictable offense nets the same results the regardless of the players.

Yeah. I agree with the sentiment. I don't see myself being surprised next year. The offense will continue to flounder, only getting yardage on chunk plays set up by smoke and mirrors. No consistency. It's unlikely Kap will change his offseason prep. He has a marketing niche now as the anti-Tebow. He will continue to pump iron and I see the same accuracy next year as we saw this year. Our D will not have Bowman though, and our schedule will be harder.

second-place schedule should be easier, not harder...
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
....sigh...Are we going to turn into the Buffalo Bills of the 21 century?....sigh....

Or the john Harbaugh Ravens
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
....sigh...Are we going to turn into the Buffalo Bills of the 21 century?....sigh....

losing a close Super Bowl or championship game hurts less than spending entire seasons mired in s**tty mediocrity between 6-10 and 8-8 IMO
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I really want us to bring in Scott Linehan as an Offensive Consultant/Assistant Head Coach. He's done some pretty impressive stuff since entering the league IMO.
Revived the Minnesota Vikings offense, resurrected the career of Ricky Williams for a short while. Used WR Chris Chambers better than anyone else was able to..Got the most out of Sage Rosenfels and Marc Bulger. His offenses have always ranked in or near the Top 10. For the Lions the past 4 seasons, they've ranked #4 in total offense including excellent Red Zone efficiency AND third down efficiency that was progressing each year.
Originally posted by SaksV:
I really want us to bring in Scott Linehan as an Offensive Consultant/Assistant Head Coach. He's done some pretty impressive stuff since entering the league IMO.
Revived the Minnesota Vikings offense, resurrected the career of Ricky Williams for a short while. Used WR Chris Chambers better than anyone else was able to..Got the most out of Sage Rosenfels and Marc Bulger. His offenses have always ranked in or near the Top 10. For the Lions the past 4 seasons, they've ranked #4 in total offense including excellent Red Zone efficiency AND third down efficiency that was progressing each year.

the lions have stafford force feeding megatron and tons of other playmakers. i think we still need a few guys to get the most out of this offense.
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Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
the lions have stafford force feeding megatron and tons of other playmakers. i think we still need a few guys to get the most out of this offense.

I understand that Megatron is getting a ridiculous amount of targets, but that doesn't erase what he was able to do as OC/HC for the Vikings, Dolphins and Rams.
He's a coach who understands that if you have playmakers, you make plays for them. He did it for Randy Moss, Chris Chambers, Marty Booker, Torry Holt, and Calvin Johnson. He can do the same with our guys.

Who are the "tons" of other Lions playmakers? lol Reggie Bush just got there. Linehan's been there since '09.
Originally posted by SaksV:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
the lions have stafford force feeding megatron and tons of other playmakers. i think we still need a few guys to get the most out of this offense.

I understand that Megatron is getting a ridiculous amount of targets, but that doesn't erase what he was able to do as OC/HC for the Vikings, Dolphins and Rams.
He's a coach who understands that if you have playmakers, you make plays for them. He did it for Randy Moss, Chris Chambers, Marty Booker, Torry Holt, and Calvin Johnson. He can do the same with our guys.

Who are the "tons" of other Lions playmakers? lol Reggie Bush just got there. Linehan's been there since '09.

For all we know Roman is following Harbs plan. Adding a new coach might not matter if he can't call what he wants when he wants.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
For all we know Roman is following Harbs plan. Adding a new coach might not matter if he can't call what he wants when he wants.

Absolutely. You may be 100% right on with that haha. This is why The Zone exists though...so we can put our ideas out there..
Originally posted by swayze:
second-place schedule should be easier, not harder...


We lucked out getting scheduled against the afc south. Why do you say it should be easier? We went to the super bowl last year. How does that affect scheduling?