Originally posted by sfout:
dear lord. I'm not sure what to think of this......
It's the expected outcome.
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Originally posted by sfout:
dear lord. I'm not sure what to think of this......
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Sounds like inside the bubble group-think.
I'm just going to say this .....
Harbaugh has the potential to be a great coach and it would seem he has the potential to be closed minded that he can't truly evaluate the problem.
Harbaugh is a great coach and what exactly is the problem? Three straight NFC title games, a Superbowl appearance and has yet to win less then 11 games.
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:Mangini would be a terrible choice for QB coach. Looks like Harbaugh wants to focus on the pre-reads and not the progressions and peripheral vision of the position.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Former NFL head coach Eric Mangini, who served as 49ers senior offensive consultant this season, was considered for a move to quarterbacks coach, sources told CSNBayArea.com on Wednesday.
One source said moving Mangini to quarterbacks coach and promoting quarterbacks coach Geep Chryst to offensive coordinator was an option for coach Jim Harbaugh's reshuffling of the coaching staff if the 49ers lost offensive coordinator Greg Roman. The source said he does not believe Harbaugh plans to make any changes.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/sources-mangini-considered-qbs-coach
Originally posted by sfout:
I wrote a quality post about how Groupthink is likely the issue within Harbaugh's offense some months ago, probably lost to the abyss by now but heres how it is.....
Harbaugh doesn't need to prove he's a great coach, he's done things no other coach has done, he's simply incredible but what he does need to prove is that he can make the tough decisions when they need to be made. Have the humility to consider an offensive revamp, whether it is schematic or coaches, remember to scheme for teams weaknesses not just our strengths -- we too often just impose our will and it is what leads to our ground out, oh so close for comfort wins, when if we had just played to exploit a team we'd probably annihilate them.
Originally posted by crabman82:
mangini as the qb coach?.....was garo yepremium not available?
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Sounds like inside the bubble group-think.
I'm just going to say this .....
Harbaugh has the potential to be a great coach and it would seem he has the potential to be closed minded that he can't truly evaluate the problem.
Harbaugh is a great coach and what exactly is the problem? Three straight NFC title games, a Superbowl appearance and has yet to win less then 11 games.
dude talent automatically won about 2/3s of our games, we were already a perennial 6-8 win team with Nolan and Singletary because of how stacked the D was. Harbaugh's coaching style and innovation approach did put us over the top but now all that motion, jumbo, and things that freaked teams out in 2011 and even part of 2012 is just another play to any of the top D's in the league, even some of the worse ones.
If we don't come into 2014 with a new gimmick, yes I used gimmick, whether it is going back to a 75%++ pro style offense, or going full retard with the spread like the Saints it'll just be another year of our talent crushing the will out of the team despite the fact that they know what play were trying to run. Then every once in awhile we'll get crushed because we've gotten too cute against D that knows all of our tricks.
I wrote a quality post about how Groupthink is likely the issue within Harbaugh's offense some months ago, probably lost to the abyss by now but heres how it is.....
Harbaugh doesn't need to prove he's a great coach, he's done things no other coach has done, he's simply incredible but what he does need to prove is that he can make the tough decisions when they need to be made. Have the humility to consider an offensive revamp, whether it is schematic or coaches, remember to scheme for teams weaknesses not just our strengths -- we too often just impose our will and it is what leads to our ground out, oh so close for comfort wins, when if we had just played to exploit a team we'd probably annihilate them.
I totally agree with this post .....
It's pretty clear that Nolan and Scott McCloughan (Scout-in-Chief), were a great GM/Scout pair. These two were NOT a coach/GM pair. They're good talent evaluators - and it helps to pick at the upper end of the draft each year with an under performing squad. Nolan was a freshman coach who never was a HC at any level and then was replaced by ANOTHER freshman coach who was never a HC at any level. So OF COURSE you're going to have an under performing team, but what you did have was a pretty good scouting department and some good folks (like Tom Gamble) who were involved with personnel. Schemes? Game-day coaching? Position coaches? Terrible. Nolan and then Singletary had no clue on who to bring in and all were either not qualified to run a pro-style offense (Hostler), was only a temp looking for another job (Turner) or just wasn't right for the personnel for on the team (Martz).
In comes Harbaugh and my expectations were that in the first and second year we would see the first iteration of a developing offense. It would reintroduce common sense and schemes would challenge opponent match-ups game by game. As the NFL chess match evolved, as defensive and offensive coordinators adjusted, Harbaugh would adjust also being a former NFL QB and a disciple of the WCO.
I've seen this on defense but it simply isn't happening on offense. And is it better than the extremely low bar set with Nolan and Singletary? Of course. But again that bar was very low. As the NFL adjusts, now we'll see if he can really coach 'em up and making things happen - as the team ages, get through injuries to its key players, can it win big games regularly against opponents better than they are on the talent scale? Can this team be regularly out-coached?
I think the great ones have answered these questions regularly over their careers without qualification regardless of "talent" - they win with who they have because of superior schemes, not only because of superior talent.
Originally posted by crabman82:
mangini as the qb coach?.....was garo yepremium not available?
Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by NinerGM:Originally posted by sfout:Originally posted by Jcool:Originally posted by NinerGM:Sounds like inside the bubble group-think.
I'm just going to say this .....
Harbaugh has the potential to be a great coach and it would seem he has the potential to be closed minded that he can't truly evaluate the problem.
Harbaugh is a great coach and what exactly is the problem? Three straight NFC title games, a Superbowl appearance and has yet to win less then 11 games.
dude talent automatically won about 2/3s of our games, we were already a perennial 6-8 win team with Nolan and Singletary because of how stacked the D was. Harbaugh's coaching style and innovation approach did put us over the top but now all that motion, jumbo, and things that freaked teams out in 2011 and even part of 2012 is just another play to any of the top D's in the league, even some of the worse ones.
If we don't come into 2014 with a new gimmick, yes I used gimmick, whether it is going back to a 75%++ pro style offense, or going full retard with the spread like the Saints it'll just be another year of our talent crushing the will out of the team despite the fact that they know what play were trying to run. Then every once in awhile we'll get crushed because we've gotten too cute against D that knows all of our tricks.
I wrote a quality post about how Groupthink is likely the issue within Harbaugh's offense some months ago, probably lost to the abyss by now but heres how it is.....
Harbaugh doesn't need to prove he's a great coach, he's done things no other coach has done, he's simply incredible but what he does need to prove is that he can make the tough decisions when they need to be made. Have the humility to consider an offensive revamp, whether it is schematic or coaches, remember to scheme for teams weaknesses not just our strengths -- we too often just impose our will and it is what leads to our ground out, oh so close for comfort wins, when if we had just played to exploit a team we'd probably annihilate them.
I totally agree with this post .....
It's pretty clear that Nolan and Scott McCloughan (Scout-in-Chief), were a great GM/Scout pair. These two were NOT a coach/GM pair. They're good talent evaluators - and it helps to pick at the upper end of the draft each year with an under performing squad. Nolan was a freshman coach who never was a HC at any level and then was replaced by ANOTHER freshman coach who was never a HC at any level. So OF COURSE you're going to have an under performing team, but what you did have was a pretty good scouting department and some good folks (like Tom Gamble) who were involved with personnel. Schemes? Game-day coaching? Position coaches? Terrible. Nolan and then Singletary had no clue on who to bring in and all were either not qualified to run a pro-style offense (Hostler), was only a temp looking for another job (Turner) or just wasn't right for the personnel for on the team (Martz).
In comes Harbaugh and my expectations were that in the first and second year we would see the first iteration of a developing offense. It would reintroduce common sense and schemes would challenge opponent match-ups game by game. As the NFL chess match evolved, as defensive and offensive coordinators adjusted, Harbaugh would adjust also being a former NFL QB and a disciple of the WCO.
I've seen this on defense but it simply isn't happening on offense. And is it better than the extremely low bar set with Nolan and Singletary? Of course. But again that bar was very low. As the NFL adjusts, now we'll see if he can really coach 'em up and making things happen - as the team ages, get through injuries to its key players, can it win big games regularly against opponents better than they are on the talent scale? Can this team be regularly out-coached?
I think the great ones have answered these questions regularly over their careers without qualification regardless of "talent" - they win with who they have because of superior schemes, not only because of superior talent.
Nice summary. The best coaches (Belichick though I don't like him personally) use the talent they have well. This year NE, with no receivers of note, became a running team and made it to the AFCCG. Andy Reid had to re-tool. Walsh, of course, went through nearly a complete roster change. Until Harbaugh teaches Kaepernick how to play, and brings a pro offense to this team, will always be just another coach who inherited a talented roster from a bad coach and winds up looking good in the process.
The sad part of the ending to this past season was that guys like Gore, who deserved to go to the Super Bowl, were denied the opportunity because of the failure of the coaching staff to fully develop a competent QB and offensive philosophy. Now, with a lot of good young players coming up for new contracts, the team will have to part with some vets that will not have the chance for a ring.