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Who do you want at OC for the Niners?

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Hire Phoenix and NCommand!

I have studied all the Bill Walsh QB and route tapes/concepts! LOL
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NCommand!, NCommand!, NCommand!
[ Edited by mayo49 on Dec 18, 2013 at 9:00 AM ]
Geep Chryst ......Then hire a new QB coach who can also be groomed for OC down the road, in case Chryst gets plucked away by some franchise wanting to install our offense and steal some of our mojo ...gotta keep the same system in place and keep rollin (but not with nolan ) ...and as much as some of you hate the offense, it still got us to the NFC title game and Superbowl the last two seasons, frustrated as it may have been at times , but keeping the same system in place with the players we have developed for the offense is the best option right now , the best case scenario is that Chryst opens it up more to the liking of fans of an explosive passing game (me included) and add more playmakers as the offense grows ....no need to bring in another OC with an entirely different system and terminology ...hire from within and let this big bully get stronger
Our success shouldn't be contingent on who our OC is. That's why we chose a former QB who is offensive minded as our HC. If he hasn't yet, he needs to step up and decide which plays to call during the game. All the calls go through him anyway. While Roman is a talented run play designer, he is not the most tactical play caller.
Originally posted by 60sFan:
Our success shouldn't be contingent on who our OC is. That's why we chose a former QB who is offensive minded as our HC. If he hasn't yet, he needs to step up and decide which plays to call during the game. All the calls go through him anyway. While Roman is a talented run play designer, he is not the most tactical play caller.

Yup ...I'm sure Jim calls the lions share of the plays
The best system for CK is norv


The best system for the skill players is Shanny
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LOL...this thread ultimately proves a great point...for all the grousing about Roman and posts that "he needs to go", the only legitimate suggestions in this thread are Rathman (never been a coordinator), Chryst (never been a coordinator) and Norv Turner (not available, under contract with the Browns). So, two shots in the dark that are part of the same offensive staff and Turner who besides not being available, runs a different offense.

It is a lot easier to complain about the status quo than it is to find a solution. That said, everyone should be prepared to wrap their head around the fact that after having signed a contract extension after last year, unless Roman gets a HC job in the NFL or college, he's going to be back as the OC, especially if the 49ers go deep into the playoffs again.
Mike shanahan or kubiak.
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Your momma or your papa.
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Originally posted by kem99:
LOL...this thread ultimately proves a great point...for all the grousing about Roman and posts that "he needs to go", the only legitimate suggestions in this thread are Rathman (never been a coordinator), Chryst (never been a coordinator) and Norv Turner (not available, under contract with the Browns). So, two shots in the dark that are part of the same offensive staff and Turner who besides not being available, runs a different offense.

It is a lot easier to complain about the status quo than it is to find a solution. That said, everyone should be prepared to wrap their head around the fact that after having signed a contract extension after last year, unless Roman gets a HC job in the NFL or college, he's going to be back as the OC, especially if the 49ers go deep into the playoffs again.
perhaps some of us do not know alot about names but we also feel that roman has done major damage to this team, he is the reason why ck regressed this year, he is the reason why we are fighting for our lives right now because he alone lost the colts and panthers game. maybe we do not know the names but many feel , roman has been putrid this year. just because some of us do not have a list of names does not mean we should not be allowed to express an opinion and state what is so glaring obvious to all but romans ardent bathwater drinkers
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Originally posted by kem99:
LOL...this thread ultimately proves a great point...for all the grousing about Roman and posts that "he needs to go", the only legitimate suggestions in this thread are Rathman (never been a coordinator), Chryst (never been a coordinator) and Norv Turner (not available, under contract with the Browns). So, two shots in the dark that are part of the same offensive staff and Turner who besides not being available, runs a different offense.

It is a lot easier to complain about the status quo than it is to find a solution. That said, everyone should be prepared to wrap their head around the fact that after having signed a contract extension after last year, unless Roman gets a HC job in the NFL or college, he's going to be back as the OC, especially if the 49ers go deep into the playoffs again.

Geep Chryst was an OC with Chargers (1999-2000).
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Originally posted by cciowa:
perhaps some of us do not know alot about names but we also feel that roman has done major damage to this team, he is the reason why ck regressed this year, he is the reason why we are fighting for our lives right now because he alone lost the colts and panthers game. maybe we do not know the names but many feel , roman has been putrid this year. just because some of us do not have a list of names does not mean we should not be allowed to express an opinion and state what is so glaring obvious to all but romans ardent bathwater drinkers
Well, congratulations, you've just proven yourself to be an anti-Roman "ardent bathwater drinker"...any possible credibility you might have is washed away by the over the top exaggerations.

First, Roman is not "the reason" Kaep has "regressed"...there are a lot of reasons for Kaep's struggles this year that are well chronicled...the loss of Crabtree, NFL defenses making adjustments, the lack of real alternatives to replace Crabtree, a loss of confidence, etc. And, if you're going to blame Roman for Kaep's "regression" than you have to fair and give him credit for Kaep's play last year given what we saw from him in the pre-season and his more recent resurgence.

Second, Roman did not "alone lose the Colts and Panthers games. Initially, lets give the Colts and Panthers some credit. Before Reggie Wayne got hurt, the Colts beat the 49ers, Seahawks and Broncos. The Panthers, and especially their defense, have proven to be legitimate. Beyond that, there were 46 49er players active for both games and all had a hand in both losses. It wasn't Roman's fault that MacDonald couldn't hold on to the long pass from Kaep or that MacDonald was only running that route because Davis was out with a concussion. It wasn't Roman's fault in the Saints game that Gore dropped the short pass along the open sideline.And, again, if you're going to place the sole blame on Roman for losses when the offense plays poorly, to be fair, you then need to give him credit for when the offense does well (e.g. Green Bay). Otherwise, you've created a situation where if the 49ers lose, it is Roman's fault but if they win, the players get the credit...that would be the definition of being an anti-Roman bathwater drinker.

The 49ers are not "fighting for their lives". They're 10-4 and have won 10 of their last 12 despite having lost Crabtree, Aldon Smith, Iupati, Culiver, Brown for all or significant parts of the season and the disputed call in New Orleans. Despite all of that, they're going to be 12-4 or 11-5, which would make them either 1/2 game better or worse than last year's record in the best division in the NFL. They have the bad luck that Seattle has had a charmed season that saw them pull out games against the Rams, the Texans and the Bucs that they easily could have or should have lost. The 49ers scored 397 points last year. If they score 48 points over their last 2 games, they will score 397 points this year.

The Roman angst sounds a lot like the criticism that Fangio came under down the stretch and in the playoffs last year when the defense struggled. Turns out Fangio got smart again once Justin Smith and Aldon Smith got healthy. The 49ers offense has improved and will continue to improve with Crabtree back and when Iupati returns but I guess, again, when that happens, you'll give the credit to the players, not Roman, as you gurgle down that anti-Roman bathwater.

The point of my original post was that it is low hanging fruit to want the coordinator to be fired without having any idea of who would be a better replacement. I never said you couldn't express your opinion. That opinion should include an alternative (e.g. Roman should be fired and replaced by __________). John York fired Mooch without any idea of who to replace him with. That led to Dennis Erickson. Nolan lost Turner as his OC without any idea of who to replace him with. That led to Jim Hostler. I'm all for thoughtful criticism and discussion but you have to do better than "everything bad is Roman's fault" and the best alternatives we can come up with as a group are 2 coaches from the same offensive staff that have never been coordinators and one OC who is under contract and unavailable.
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Originally posted by Jcool:
Geep Chryst was an OC with Chargers (1999-2000).
Fair enough, I stand corrected on that point...although, in both those years, the Chargers scored a total of 269 points, so is that a basis to believe he would be an improvement over Roman as the OC?
Originally posted by kem99:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Geep Chryst was an OC with Chargers (1999-2000).
Fair enough, I stand corrected on that point...although, in both those years, the Chargers scored a total of 269 points, so is that a basis to believe he would be an improvement over Roman as the OC?

who ever takes the OC job will be an extension of Harbaugh anyway ..
Originally posted by Raul98:
I had to do it

Lou was a class act %100 genuine great guy. I worked for him a few times back around the turn of the century.