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Analysis from the Tampa Bay coaches film

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by thl408:
Mesh concept was used all over the place versus TB to beat man coverage. Simply put, the mesh concept is criss crossing routes where the route runners are close to each other with regards to depth of the route. This is different than the high-low concept which is used to beat zone coverage where the routes have a big difference in the depth of the routes.

Play #1 (thumbnail post #56 of this thread)

49ers: 12 personnel - Mesh concept out of a bunch formation
TB: Zone coverage

In theory, this concept will not work against zone coverage and we will see it not gain much here. This is the first pass play of the game. The thumbnail will detail the routes being ran.

Below: The coverage by TB. Cover2, zone under.



Below: Celek is the player setting the mesh (pick). VD will be the beneficiary. But this is zone coverage and no TB defender will be getting picked off.


The play in full: Notice as VD catches the ball, he is smacked by the zone LB as the LB is able to attack downhill to apply a sure tackle for a somewhat minimal gain. Not a horrible play result, but not a big play by any means.


Take a look at the thumbnail post #56 to get a sense for how often HaRo went to this concept. It doesn't have to always be criss crossing over the middle of the field. Plays 12, 14, 27 also use the mesh concept, but on one side of the formation.


Cekek looks like he would have been a better target on that play, I know its kind of contrary but the defense more or less ignored him. Once he passes up the initial defender at about the 42 yard line, the defender goes towards VD and sniffs it out, a quick throw to him would have been much more productive using VD as the decoy.

AR1 @ 13:19 Crabtree @ X (wide left) position, VD off the LOS in the Y (right slot, usually) and Boldin @ the Z (wide right) position. Celek seams up field on the left side of our LT. All 3 run go-routes clearing out VD underneath from right to left behind the DL; hit instantly by CK for 5 yards. Gore flared out late to the right sideline as a outlet.

Not complicated...a common route we run.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Some of you guys will never let that go. Roman did plenty of good things throughout the playoffs to get us in that situation. Too bad jonnydel wasn't around last year.

Yeah, nope, never. That was the biggest of his many errors thus far in his tenure with the 49ers. The lack of adjustments in key games this season, especially against Indy, Carolina and New Orleans only adds to it.

To be fair..

The Colts game, no VD, no Crab.

The Panthers and Saints game....in reality both offensive coordinators struggled in those two games, it really could have swung either way.

#romanxcuses
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Some of you guys will never let that go. Roman did plenty of good things throughout the playoffs to get us in that situation. Too bad jonnydel wasn't around last year.

Yeah, nope, never. That was the biggest of his many errors thus far in his tenure with the 49ers. The lack of adjustments in key games this season, especially against Indy, Carolina and New Orleans only adds to it.

To be fair..

The Colts game, no VD, no Crab.

The Panthers and Saints game....in reality both offensive coordinators struggled in those two games, it really could have swung either way.

#romanxcuses

LMAO!!!
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I'm hoping for a big game from Crabtree against Atlanta. He's really hyped up out there, you can see that the guy wants to make some big plays and be a star, he should get his chance on Monday.

I believe he will. I think it's Roman's job to make him the AR more often. I think they took it east on him for 3 weeks now as part of a plan already set in stone. Crab is READY to be the huge contributing factor.
It should always go crab/vd/boldin all 3 win, let boldin eat up the middle give crab his touches almost like a rb he needs at least 8 touches a game. he has his explosiveness back, he has is rac ability. saw his impromptu ability on the td. let's not waste it. i think this game he's going to show out. and going forward
Originally posted by verb1der:
To be fair..

The Colts game, no VD, no Crab.

The Panthers and Saints game....in reality both offensive coordinators struggled in those two games, it really could have swung either way.

#romanxcuses

#YOLO.
Originally posted by verb1der:
To be fair..

The Colts game, no VD, no Crab.

The Panthers and Saints game....in reality both offensive coordinators struggled in those two games, it really could have swung either way.

#romanxcuses

2 of those games we did have gore though and 2 of those games he was running for major yardage. colts game is the one that hurts. Panthers, that's just silly to not run him when you can just call quick plays get into field goal range and win

but the colts game? we run with power for 1 drive, go 90 yards and get the td..and then never do it again...when the colts at that point were giving up 5yards per carry and a few games later we saw the chargers run the colts into submission, as if we couldn't have and shouldn't have done that.

instead we lose by a WIDE margin because of academic td's at the end.

FRUSTRATING

saints game they just simply let them get away with several pass interference calls and a couple in the end zone just blatant ones
and then called brooks for touching brees too hard. though roman didn't help refusing to go into passing formations against 9 man fronts on non predictable downs the colts is still the one. that's the difference between us being 1 game back of the seahwaks

realistically with a decent plan we'd be 13-1
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
"Roman called an excellent game. He did a great job of setting up mismatches in the run game, taking advantage of what Tampa was trying to do against our run O and setting up plays in the passing game."




The Niners won despite Roman's best efforts once again. Playcalling in the redzone was a joke. Example the handoff to Boldin was embarrassing. Seriously that's the best play you can come up with off a timeout? Also by constantly pulling both Boldin and Crabtree off the field at the 30 yard line accomplishes what exactly? A 2 yard dive? Roman is a joke and hopefully Dawson stays healthy since we're going to ride him as far as he'll take us

I actually thought it was a good play. There was a definite missed block at the point of attack.
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by jonnydel:




The RB tries to shake Smith to the outside now that Smith has taken an inside move, but, Aldon did a fabulous job of squaring up once he got in the backfield and tackles the RB for a 2 yard loss.

This is really exciting play from a guy who's supposed to be a pass rush specialist. Only when it's slowed down can you truly appreciate the speed and ferocity that Smith uses in this play. The RB literally took three steps from the start of the play and Smith had diagnosed the play, beat a great LT, and was in position to make a tackle. Awesome, awesome play!
Criminally underrated aspect of his game. He's a real OLB.
he's STILL not even as good as he's going to be

just think about that for a minute

I agree with this comment. And after his troubles he seems to be playing very humbly. No more jump shots, baseball swings, etc. He just walks back to the LOS. Seems like he is more focused. I really want to see this kid beat his demons and become one on the field. I think he can become a modern day LT minus the issues.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Ok, I'm sorry for the long post but there's no other way to show this than with the multitude of pictures. Roman is a good OC, I'll show you how he saw what Tampa was doing and set up VD's huge play.



Early in the game the Buc's showed they wanted to double team Boldin - meaning, they have told their guys to pay special attention to where he goes.



After we ran some inside power plays, Tampa started slanting their line in(I"ll show this later). So, Roman ran a few outside plays sprinkled in. In counter, Tampa started to run a cover 2 zone to keep their outside DB's closer to the LOS, also, Kaep's running forced tampa to stop running man coverage as much. Here you see how Tampa is running a 2-zone D.



Here, Roman went into an unbalanced TE formation. He had ran a couple outisde runs out of the 2 TE formation. You see the safeties move to a 2 deep loock with the corners playing zone. 2-zone D



Crabtree is at the top of the screen on this play with Boldin at the bottom, again a 2 TE look with Tampa going to a 2 deep safety D.



After seeing that, Roman brings Miller in, motions him out to a 2 TE look and runs a corner/DIG combo with Boldin and Crabtree at the top with Davis running and out/in Post.



Davis gets the safety to turn his hips out before breaking in. At the top you see Goldson jumps on Boldin's corner route because of the 2 zone. This leaves a void for Davis to run to



Vernon is open but the pressure from Tampa's D(Staley got beat) forces Kaep to have to throw the ball while running forward to it's barely incomplete to Davis.



On the next drive, we again go with a 2 TE set. This time we line Miller up outside Staley to help chip. We get the 2 deep safety look again, this time Baron creeps down just a little more in case of the run.



We run PA to hold the safety up just a little bit. Boldin's gonna run a deep curl route to bring Goldson down.

Goldson bites on the Deep curl vacating his 2 deep zone. Davis has a great angle on the backside safety who has no chance of running with him.



You see here how Roman used all the attention Tampa was giving Boldin to set up this long TD to Davis.

That is excellent OC stuff right there!

Nicely demonstrated. Or in laymen's terms:
We run Crabtree on a lazy 2 yard route along the left sideline, Boldin along the same sideline to draw a CB/S knowing full well that we're playing Goldson who has a tendency to jump and bite on double moves (cheat inside) and use your 4.3 TE to BLOW off the LOS to beat his S in isolation.

We could have run double-moves all day long on Goldson. I'm REALLY excited we finally used our speed mismatch and actually threw a couple bombs. If the pocket held better, this was an easy TD.

I really came away from this game disappointed with Tampa's defense. The tackling was poor and for having a good secondary they sure had breakdowns. To say that they couldn't contain Kaep would be and understatement. They played the edge well for everyone but him.
Hmm. I'm a little late to the party. Let me state right off the bat that i only saw the most mediocre parts of the game for us -- from about 1/2 way through the second quarter until just after tampa's 2nd td in the 4th quarter, which made it 20-14. At that point I had to go and I was mortified. I didn't see the huge drive to seal it for us. that sounded like a good positive development.

During this period the offense was largely ineffective except for Vern's long TD and of course Phil's fantastic kicking.

Additionally, the D was on the ropes due to lack of pressure while Tampa successfully exploited the soft underneath coverage we were giving on the sidelines.

We gave up 2 ~80 yard drives to put them back in the game, and also had various possessions which did not yield any result.

JD, could you comment on this period in the game? What were we doing wrong? Or, what was Tampa doing right?

The way i look at this game was that it was a 20-14 game with 4 minutes left in the 4th, when, really, we should have put it away in the 3rd quarter.

Maddeningly inconsistent, You can see why pundits are reluctant to give us an even chance against the Seahawks.
Can we get some cuts of the Boldin run play? I think it was Boone or Davis that missed their block. It was defended well but there was a definite crease there. I'd like to see it run with LaMike.
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Jonnydel, could you comment on why the hurry-up offense of Tampa worked so well against our D? Are there things that our D should have done to avoid yielding those 2 long, TD-producing drives?
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by verb1der:
I think we were too quick to judge Roman. Now that he has Crabtree back, he's starting to play the chess game.

I'm pretty sure we haven't seen everything yet, and I don't think he'll unload on Atlanta... Roman probably will keep a lot of plays in his pocket to save for the playoffs.

Just like on the 5 yard line in the Superbowl? I'm sorry, I don't buy the "they're saving all the good stuff for the playoffs" rhetoric this time around. Especially with how flat they came out in consecutive games against Atlanta and Baltimore.

Some of you guys will never let that go. Roman did plenty of good things throughout the playoffs to get us in that situation. Too bad jonnydel wasn't around last year.

Execution has been the issue at times, but play-calling and overall execution in the redzone has been a problem since Roman showed up, IMO. Michael Johnson had much less to work with, and we were td scoring machines in the redzone with that guy.
Originally posted by BadgerHawk:
I agree with this comment. And after his troubles he seems to be playing very humbly. No more jump shots, baseball swings, etc. He just walks back to the LOS. Seems like he is more focused. I really want to see this kid beat his demons and become one on the field. I think he can become a modern day LT minus the issues.

If you notice, he changes his game depending on the qb.
When the qb is mobile and can move around he makes sure that he is staying in his assigned areas and if he gets the sack he gets the sack.
He was really great against Wilson he collapsed the pocket in a controlled way forcing him inside as opposed to the vacant outside. He stayed in his lane on potential read option plays it just didn't show up with sacks.

As he plays qb's who have no chance of running around and no threat of the read option he goes to work.
I have a feeling he'll have 4+sacks on Monday night.
Based on the emotion of the game. The fact that Matt Ryan is a statue and that the Falcons Oline isn't great
Originally posted by BadgerHawk:
I really came away from this game disappointed with Tampa's defense. The tackling was poor and for having a good secondary they sure had breakdowns. To say that they couldn't contain Kaep would be and understatement. They played the edge well for everyone but him.

This is true...I noted the things I liked about the game plan and the individual efforts on a ton of the ad lib plays. This one play, we basically ran again 6 1/2 minutes later for the TD. That was VERY encouraging b/c we have a tendency not to go back to what worked. And YES! The Bucs keys in on something as they were all over the roll-right plays by CK...he was running for his life backwards, making huge plays with his legs, etc. Almost all rolls and scrambles were to the right and they were all over it; I have no idea how CK made those plays! Ha. And I agree, big missed tackles on Boldin, etc. TB is a decent team but nothing special. They did have their way with us when they went no-huddle though!