Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49erCanuck:
And right after I posted that questions, I see it answered up above. Tis always the way.
From the Roman thread:
My theory: Just a reminder of what an (Annointed Revceiver - AR1 or AR2) passing game means. Essentially, it's a pre-determined passing play designed to get ONE receiver the ball from the plays called in to the huddle by HaRoMan. It is typically designed to get this one receiver the ball under 3 seconds for obvious reasons. IF that AR is covered, CK is instructed to be off and running. Once the AR is covered (or CK doesn't pull the trigger), it instantly becomes an ad lib play. In both types of passing plays HaRoMan determines the play calls, not CK. While he may be able to audible out of one pass play to another, both typically have the AR pre-determined. CK's job (and esp. that of the AR and the non-AR's) is merely to "execute" the play. It's a team-receiving concept (like college). Like in the run game, if one chain breaks, the whole play blows up. It leans heavily on skill players winning their 1on1 battles; we've seen the results when Boldin & VD were doubled this year. In 2012, the AR's were Crabtree and VD. In 2013, it's been Boldin and VD. Now we're starting to see more Crabtree but clearly, like Dilfer referenced, his # isn't being called enough to make him happy.
AR1 (most common) - This is a play designed to get the AR the ball via non-physical support from the others (e.g. decoy routes). For instance, we run 3 straight go-routes occupying 4 DB's to hit the AR underneth in a 1on1 matchup. Think Randy Moss running deep sideline and post routes to open up VD and Crabtree underneath all year long. It includes cutting off routes to draw defenders (or making them hesitate just for a second) to free up the AR who cuts the other direction. It includes designed flows as well...getting the defense to flow one way to pass back to the other side; misdirections, crossing patterns, etc. The non-AR's are NOT viable receiving options in the play UNTIL it becomes an ad lib play. They must execute their part to help the AR get the ball. This is common in a college offense vs. pro-style.
AR2 (rare) - This is a play designed to get the AR the ball with physical help from the others (literallly, blocking up field while the ball is in the air to the AR underneath). This is a play where Boldin received a P.I. call inside the RZ recently.
Ad lib (common) - This is a play where CK doesn't pull the trigger on the AR (hesitates) or the AR is effectively covered and the play instantly becomes a broken ad lib play. CK is instructed to buy time with his legs and look to ad lib pass or pick up yards with his legs. We've scored 3 of our last 4 TD's on this one.
Pro-Style (PS) (rare) - This is a passing play called where all receivers (usually 4) plus the backs are ALL viable passing options. It's on CK to find the most open and pull the trigger.
See post #1972 to see a breakdown of the 1st half of the Bucs game from this theory: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/168162-greg-roman-really-good/page132/
Here is how you simply break it down:
Step 1. Ignore: the personnel groupings, who lines up where, their routes, defensive alignments, etc. Focus ONLY on who caught the ball.
Step 2. Rewind and watch CK's head angle and body positioning (is he looking at this AR all the way)? Is he looking off defenders to assist the AR1/2?
Step 3. Rewind again. Now watch the non-AR's to see what part they played in getting that receiver open.
Step 4. Fill in the details and results
I agree with your theory but I also agree with Jonnydel - the two are not mutually exclusive.
What I think has been happening is that with Crabs, Manningham and Patton out, Moss and Walker gone and Vernon being injured for a few games, we ran the AR style offensive plays far more often in the first part of the season. I think there were almost no PS pass plays called until Manningham returned and we started bleeding them all in. We were focusing purely on getting Boldin the ball in AR style plays because he's a playmaker and we didn't trust Baldwin or Williams due to suspect hands so we didn't put in AR plays for them.
Now that Crabs is back as well, I think our offense is migrating to include more which is why we are seeing the blend that Jonnydel has picked out in the Seattle and Tampa games.
However, my real criticism of Roman and Harbaugh is that they did not try and develop Baldwin and McDonald as receiving options by continuing to call plays for them when we had that run of 5 wins.
I think Mcdonald is going to see far more plays now with Miller out, but he will need to improve his blocking and that is the issue. He didn't block much at college so I think the coaches trust him as a receiver but he's never going to be the go to TE option with Vernon on the field until thbey are confident he can really block and then slip out short into the middle of the field to give Kap an option.
Agreed on many fronts here...I still think Roman "likes" to scheme guys open by design the mass majority of the time (IMHO). That said, since Crabtree and Manningham's return, as expected, we're seeing at least Crabtree's dialed up as the AR a little even though most of his big plays may have been on ad libs. I think what Dilfer highlights below sort of demonstrates why Crabtree is so frustrated. All year long, our leading receiver only gets 5 catches a game (at most). That doesn't leave much room, by design, for anyone else not named Boldin or VD. Crabtree worked very hard to get back so he wants his number called and to be highlighted in the game plan, no doubt.
Dilfer: "...harsh reality though if you're a skill position guy for the Niners, you're only getting the ball if the play was designed to get you the ball. They don't have the type of offensive structure and Colin isn't the type of quarterback that there are five eligible receivers and anyone can get the ball. This is a run, run-action, pick-and-stick team. They're calling a play for a defense, for a player and, if that play is called wrong, that second, third, fourth option isn't going to get the ball very often. So, Crabtree's complaints should be with Greg Roman."
I do want to say though that I've seen two things since Crabtree's return (we're barely using Manningham at all)....1) I'm seeing more PS passing plays and that is encouraging b/c the play design does not dictate the receiver, CK does! and 2) Our ad lib plays have become more and more successful (again, that demonstrates the trust of CK with guys such as VD, Crabtree and Boldin but it also means teams can no longer hone in on just VD or Boldin; earlier in the years these broken plays were a disaster ending in sacks, TFL, throw-aways, mass confusion, etc.).
Your criticism has been mine as well...all year long. Remember, Crabtree and Manningham injuries were KNOWN prior to the start of the season. And this AR passing attack can EASILY be used to get other's involved. I would have LOVED to see us design and as a result, develop both Baldwin and esp. McDonald. I may be in the minority here but I felt like we could have even schemed lesser-talented players such as Williams from the slot more. I'm not one to buy the drop-off in talent excuse (esp. when you look around the league). To me, this is where an OC makes his money...game planning to attack weaknesses, helping your young QB develop and get into a rhythm early in games, by design, proper personnel usage and development, repetition, etc.
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 19, 2013 at 9:48 AM ]