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Inability regarding wr's

I thought this was a porn thread
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Originally posted by wysiwyg:
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Yea this hate Baalke sh*t is really becoming over kill N dumb ....

I never said I hated him, did I?

Not hardly.

WR is his weakness, his achilles heel (sorry crabs)

I heard something on the radio (KNBR) today that you younger generation types are now defined by hating

Hence, these "Beats" ads - you either have to hate or hate on your haters.

Thus, the ads have Kaep or Garnett walking through a sea of haters

I'm NOT hating

I'm pointing out a serious flaw, a serious weakness, something that will prevent this team from getting to the next level

Sorry you think that is beating a dead horse

You weren't around on the forum as a member during the Jerry Sullivan days. That was a different issue -- he had "his guys"

I haven't heard that about Morton -- does he just suck?

I think Morton needs to be replaced with someone better i also think u give a guy more then a yr to develop before u pull tha plug h*ll we kept JJ Stokes around 7yrs stinkin up tha place N gave up alot to get him ...Besides crabtree N AJ we havnt used high draft picks on WRz ...

Thanks Wolf for addressing the issue. I do think Morton sucks and you have to give young wideouts time. JJ took years before he was serviceable, we traded up to get him, and that pick that we gave up to get him turned out to be Ray Lewis.

Rice was a 1st, Taylor was a 3rd, as was TO. Dwight Clark was an 11th round pick back in the day. Now, he'd be just another UDFA.

Another poster referred to "Ronald McDonald" -- I think was referring to ROJO, Ronald Johnson, as 6th round pick from the 2012 draft that did not even make it out of training camp. While Brady and D-Love were 6th round picks, as was Marques Coston, most 6th round picks don't become much.

The Giants seem to be able to find WRs, Nicks, Cruz, Randle (a 2nd last year IIRC), and develop them
Originally posted by wysiwyg:
The other Baalke thread was created in the middle of a losing streak with a bent on blaming him

We are in the middle of a winning streak. The point is that this is a clear weakness in the past and going forward

Is it coaching (morton), drafting (baalke) or scheme?

I'm not surprised by ChazBoner's post doe lol

Baalke has been good at finding corners (Brock, Morris, Cooper) and edge rushers (Aldon, Lemonier). The five (5) key positions on the field are:

QB
LT
WR
DE
CB

Baalke has nailed 4 out 5, and 4 out 5 dentist recommend Trident to their patients have black holes, or chew gum lol

I'm starting to think it's scheme/philophy. If we look back at Harbaugh's 49ers & Stanford teams, their use of WRs is very conservative. Maybe it goes back to his roots at Bo & Michigan football. I'd like to see more West Coast passing to get drives started, and offensive rhythm. Think our passing offensive is missing a little bit of balance. I'm all in for drafting 2 WRs early in the draft. Believe Baalke is doing a fine job overall, thought he brought in a lot of free agent WRs this spring, & will draft some good WR talent in the 2014 draft.

But I think the question is will Harbaugh's offensive philophy and scheme, allow the young WRs to develope???
Originally posted by wysiwyg:
Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
You really couldn't come up with a different thread title?

I thought this thread was gonna be NSFW when I clicked.

Sorry to disappoint, but, Chaz didn't lol

Maybe Baalke's Bozo Bumblings?

A black hole is a star that has imploded from whence light cannot escape. Like our WR position

Everyone knows a black hole is more than 4 raider fans sitting together.

But seriously I don't think he has drafted enough wr's to fairly evaluate it. If AB, Crabs and MM and QP were able to play together the entire season people wouldn't be so worried
Will its also about scouting i think frm morton to our WR scouts need to be fired ... N we need to go rob better WR scoutz N coachz frm other teamz.. N give our high draft pickz more then a yr to show something... H*ll if ur a real fan of tha 49erz u should see how rookiez dont really play there 1st yr anywayz so hold ur b*tching til 18-24 monthz later.....
Originally posted by Maui9er:
I'm starting to think it's scheme/philophy. If we look back at Harbaugh's 49ers & Stanford teams, their use of WRs is very conservative. Maybe it goes back to his roots at Bo & Michigan football. I'd like to see more West Coast passing to get drives started, and offensive rhythm. Think our passing offensive is missing a little bit of balance. I'm all in for drafting 2 WRs early in the draft. Believe Baalke is doing a fine job overall, thought he brought in a lot of free agent WRs this spring, & will draft some good WR talent in the 2014 draft.

But I think the question is will Harbaugh's offensive philophy and scheme, allow the young WRs to develope???
It better change,I hope Jed is taking cues from uncle Eddie,when HE set down and talk with Harbs this off-season about Contract extension that West Coast offense will be a must going forward, and that Jed will also address Romlan,Morton,and Geep.....these guys are stinking up the Passing game big time.
[ Edited by jrouter4949 on Dec 12, 2013 at 10:03 PM ]
Originally posted by stunder49:
I thought this was a porn thread

You were partially correct:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:

bottomless cooch!!!
I believe the blame for the WR problem is our WR coach + Kaep's inexperience + playcalling/play designs.

AJ Jenkins was a bad pick tho. Patton seems promising.
keenan allen is pretty dope; however, there was 31 other gm's who missed out on him. So it wasn't just Baalke.
Originally posted by wysiwyg:
Mod's this is different from the other Baalke thread

This is focused just on the inability with regard to wide receivers

There is the Josh Gordon Thread in NFL Talk (he has 1400 yards, what could have been if there was a trade on the table)

The Keenan Allen talk

We just signed Wylie, there was the thread about Lockette now performing back up again in Seattle

We drafted AJ Jenkins who will go down in 49ers lore as probably one of the worst WR draft choices ever, up there with Bassmaster Woods.

Crabs is not a bust but we swapped AJJ for Baldwin. Baldwin is 6'4 with 4.47 speed. He actually performed a little in KC

Why couldn't the coaches get anything out of Baldwin, or AJJ, or Lockette.

Like others have said, they went with Kyle for 8 weeks all the while Ninertalk was saying he was garbage, trade for Gordon, play Baldwin, etc.

We have 2 Wrs under contract for next year.

Is it coaching ala Jerry Sullivan before where he had "his guys."

We have so many picks but WR has become such a weakness, although having Boldin, Crabs, and Manningham healthy is a good trio.

Did they just think it would be those three?

I liked what little I saw from Patton but now he will be inactive from here on out.

I think this is a huge problem and more fundamental that will prevent this team from getting to its max capacity.

Vernon had 11 TDs and is 3rd in the league in TDs. That is great and not a problem.

Why can't we find and develop WRs when teams like SD can (Allen, and before that guys like Vincent Jackson)

Don't hate, participate


I AGREE WITH YOU 1000% THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME WR ISSUES........

Is it coaching, is it Baalke? It maybe both but......

I think WR's are tough to draft. Not many college teams run a pro system, and it's not like the NFL. So I think there's a huge bust factor. Every team has had a problem with WR's, not just the niners.

Baalke is a great judge of talent. He has done an excellent job since he has come to the Niners. He has kept the quality players, picked up the right free agents and let go of good players.

LETS LOOK AT A FEW PICK UPS

WR

AJ Jenkins - TOTAL BUST.....I admit it, but is it Baalke's fault that he couldn't measure heart. Who knew that he would have been a compete PUSS...and refuse to train with Jerry Rice!!!!! WOW. Maybe Baalke could have gotten rid of him then.

Quinten Patton - looked great in Preseason. I think he's got a good future. HOWEVER, I think Baalke steps up and goes BIG in the draft next year. I don't think he wants to get the STAIN of AJ Jenkins off his hands.

6th rounder for Anquon Boldin - Genius Move!!!!

Ted Ginn for a 5th round pick - WHY THIS GUY COULDNT THRIVE in our system. I don't know. He was a great returner and maybe the coaching staff saw him more as a returner and not a WR. BEATS ME WHY HE COULDNT DO WELL HERE. He is making an impact in Carolina, and we could use the speed, but I think they were counting on Kyle Williams to develop and he didn't.

Lockett - Not worth talking about yet.
Randy Moss - Good pick up, he played well for us, but wish he would have stayed one more year. But Randy Moss was a timebomb, do you really want him on your team?



JUDGE OF TALENT

Carlos Rogers - Great pick up.
Donte Whitner - leader of the Defense, great pick up for us.

Navarro Bowman vs Takeo Spikes.....GREAT MOVE. Navarro could be the best player on the team.
Delanie Walker vs Vance McDonald.....This was a cap move. The jury is still out on McDonald and Walker is the better player right now, but I don't think the 49ers could have kept him at 17? 21 Million dollars.
Dashon Goldson vs Eric Reid....A lot of people on the board panned the Eric Reid pick, hell even Kiper didn't like the pick, but he traded up to get Reid who has been BETTER than Goldson. I don't know if I would have predicted that.
Sopoaga vs Dorsey - Good move for value.

Tony Jerod Eddie - nice FA pick up probably better than Rickey Jean Francois
Demarcus Dobbs - another nice pick up

Colin Kaepernick vs Alex Smith - Obviously the jury is still out on this, but Kaepernick has so much potential and he flashed more than Alex in the first two years than Alex did. And we got him in the second round after five qbs were taken.

Do I have to mention Aldon Smith.....TOTAL STUD. Great Player. Maybe the best pass rusher the niners have had since Fred Dean. STUD PICK!!!!

FA's

2011 draft - GREAT
2012 draft - NOT SO GOOD (looney and LaMichael - but we stocked up for the 2013 draft
2013 draft - LOOKING VERY GOOD SO FAR
2014 draft - Unknown but we are stacked!


Baalke for 90+% of his picks has been outstanding. WR has been a weakness for the Niners for sure, but he's going to hit on it. Oh yeah. I think he will get it right.
We can't draft WRs for s**t. I don't think it's a problem with developing these players. I think the players we pick often have nothing to develop. Crabtree and Josh Morgan were the only hits, and Crab was a no-brainer. Morgan was serviceable, but nothing special.

Jenkins, KW, Ronald Johnson, Jason Hill, Brandon Williams, Rashaun Woods, Derrick Hamilton....these guys suck major ass.

The front office needs to re-think how we evaluate WR talent.
[ Edited by SofaKing on Dec 12, 2013 at 11:56 PM ]
Originally posted by Bluesbro:

this! Baalke has done a great job for the most part....find me one, just one GM (or any position where the guy is in charge of putting together the roster) anywhere in NFL history where the guy batted 1.000 and hit on 100% of his draft picks/FA signings. Baalke isn't perfect and I agree he hasn't done that well w/WRs but this is one of, if not the most talented and deep young rosters in football built to contend for years. Drafting Crabs a very good #1 WR and trading for Boldin were good moves, Manningham is solid and the book has yet to be written on Patton. Cut the guy some GD slack!
Baalke doesn't have a good eye for Wideouts, here we go again.
Originally posted by matt49er:
Originally posted by Bluesbro:

this! Baalke has done a great job for the most part....find me one, just one GM (or any position where the guy is in charge of putting together the roster) anywhere in NFL history where the guy batted 1.000 and hit on 100% of his draft picks/FA signings. Baalke isn't perfect and I agree he hasn't done that well w/WRs but this is one of, if not the most talented and deep young rosters in football built to contend for years. Drafting Crabs a very good #1 WR and trading for Boldin were good moves, Manningham is solid and the book has yet to be written on Patton. Cut the guy some GD slack!

Except, Crabtree pre dates Baalke, and the Crabtree pick was as easy as picking up the phone and dialing 911.