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Analysis from Seahawks Game coaches film

Originally posted by iLL49er:
Takes 30 games for a qb to become competent kap is on game 23 and its starting to really click....break through coming

I agree, I think the breakthrough is evident now. Several points, he is not careless when he runs the ball and does not subject himself to big hits.That is quite an accomplishment for a QB who is a superior runner. I see many QB's putting the ball up and risking interceptions, Kaep is careful and keeps his team in the game. Lastly, the back shoulder throws, he's tuned into Boldin and I was surprised to see Crabtree and Kaep on the same page with this pass as soon as Crabs came back. Buckle up 49er fans I think we're in for one heck of a ride.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Re-watching the play, and the gif, it seems like the design of the defense was for Reid and Rogers to swap responsibilities. Rogers bails immediately to a Cover 2 position, and Reid jumps the flat. If the RB our TE had run to the flat, Reid would have an INT opportunity. It seems like the Seapigeons just got lucky and called the perfect route for that gamble.

I could be wrong, and Reid could have jumped the play action. But if he's jumping play action AT ALL while having deep Cover 2 responsibility, then he needs to be benched. Even kids on my pop warner team don't make that mistake...

Love the analysis though, this is fun. Would be great to sit in on a film session after a game with the coaches and players to really know how much the game is a chess match.

How I knew it was soft cover 2 was because Brock drops into a soft curl zone on the other side and Rogers starts to do the same. Reid starts flying down when Wilson turns to fake the handoff, he doesn't head anywhere close to a soft zone area, where he ends up when he realized he just got tricked is where Bowman ends up for his drop into zone.

There isn't a WR in the flat or going towards the flat, so no need for Reid to jump all the way to the soft zone. I like to call that "covering grass" which is a definite no-no in zone coverage. It just seems unbelievable that an NFL safety (and one who is playing very well) could make THAT bad of a mistake. Again, biting on play action when you have deep Cover 2 responsibility is so blatantly bad that it's inexcusable, even for a rookie.

Plus Rogers completely bails to a deep 2 responsibility, he doesn't settle in a soft zone like Brock does. Of course, he may have just seen Reid completely leave him hanging, so maybe he just kept his depth.

Either way it was a bad play, but I'm hoping that Reid isn't that much of an idiot. I agree with you that we need to be able to play zone coverage in order to effectively stop good running teams, and that means all of the DB's have to stay disciplined and stay in their zone until the ball is thrown or the RB has the ball.
on the gif it looks like Rogers bails into 2 deep responsibility but on the coaches film you can see he hesitates very briefly while turning his hips in showing he's sitting down into his zone and about to look for a receiver since he was on the single receiver side. when he turns his hips he sees that Reid has shot down.

Reid is an aggressive safety and seattle hadn't taken a shot like that yet in the game. With aggressive, young safeties, they will have lapses like this every once in a while. Shoot, Polamalu still does some things like this every once in a while.

If that's what happened, then it needs to stop. I'm all for DB's trying to make a play, but even if Reid read run correctly he was still too far away to make an impact type play. There was no WR in that area so there was no route to jump. That would just be an absolutely horrible decision on his part.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
I showed the first 3rd and short that got stuffed, I'll show the other two and how the 9ers adjusted to Seattle on those downs to do what looks like the same play, but resulted in 1st downs.

yup and i see exactly why it didn't work but the whole play itself in real time was funky. they broke the huddle, hustled to the line and snapped the ball, that's not how we operate 99% of the time.
It's like football heaven in this thread. Damn I love this forum.

Special thanks to johnydel and thl408. Great stuff guys!
Originally posted by Furlow:
If that's what happened, then it needs to stop. I'm all for DB's trying to make a play, but even if Reid read run correctly he was still too far away to make an impact type play. There was no WR in that area so there was no route to jump. That would just be an absolutely horrible decision on his part.

the key is, if it was a horrible decision, he doesn't make the same mistake twice. i would rather him do it there and never again...

this just shows he's human instead of a demi-god
Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, I have just finished reviewing the coaches film of the seahawks game. Some Very interesting Notes. I will follow with a few posts noting how some of the bigger plays in the game were made and how some big plays were missed. Overall, It was a physical game as we all know. The major positive is that there were more plays to be made and we still won the game.

First, after a review I'll post some of the low hanging fruit.
The seahawks stayed in a single high safety look for all but maybe 2 plays all game. They loaded the box with 8 guys on 90% of the plays. In that, they play cover 3 zone on probably 70% of their plays.

The biggest impact of Crabtree's return against the seahawks wasn't as much about how he made the defense play towards him but that whenever Kaep's first read(if not crabs) was not there he threw it towards Crabs to give him a chance.

The offensive line played a really good game. There are some definite pre-snap reads in the run game that Kaep needs to get better at, but, the Seahawks did do a good job of game planning their defensive line scheme.

When the defense plays sound, fundamental football, they are probably the best defense in the league. As I will show later, it's only when they get away from sound fundamentals that big plays are given up.

I will show in the next few posts some examples of plays
How did you get coaches film and do you work for a pro football team? do you think we take you seriously?
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
It's frustrating because if you look through that game, there were some pretty good calls and there were some questionable ones, it comes down to consistency and being able to utilize all the weapons that are available.


Crabtree, Boldin and VD, there is no defense in the NFL that can shut down all of 3 of those guys. You can shutdown one, you can shutdown two maybe, but not all 3. Seattle is supposedly the best defense in the NFL, the best secondary with the bonus ability of being allowed to hold illegally without consequence and Boldin still had a very good game against them. I think with Miller coming out of the backfield, what they truly need is one more guy to step up as a dependable receiving threat, whether that be Manningham, McDonald or Patton, they need one guy who can make some big receptions and further stretch defense's out. If they can do that, have more consistently in the playcalling, attack a defense's weaknesses, they'll be looking very good heading into the playoffs.

for whatever reason roman doesn't like to spread the wealth. its reflective in the snaps that the guys get

if you're only getting 10% of the snaps and 5% of those snaps are run plays?

if you're a hunter and you only get 10 snaps and virtually none of them call for you to leak out and make a play? its difficult.

some of the calls kill momentum. 3rd and 2, read option plays for 6 yard losses.. that's a predictable formation/down/call and the result showed it.

quick snapping on 3rd and 1 near the goal line...resulting in the o line totally whiffing on blocks and resulting in a loss and a field goal when you run the same play 2 times later...with the line set and it works easily both times.. makes me scratch my head
I showed the first 3rd and short that got stuffed, I'll show the other two and how the 9ers adjusted to Seattle on those downs to do what looks like the same play, but resulted in 1st downs.

Here's how on the next 3rd and short they got it



Kaep sees the big hole off right guard in the "0" gap. He motions McDonald across the formation which pulls both linbackers to the left side. Now, instead of 2 players in position to stop Miller, there's only 1. In the previous formation they showed an offset formation with the TE out to the right side. This drew a weakside slant from Seattle. By motioning McDonald across they balance the strength and Seattle can't slant a certain side.



You can see how the Backers have shifted, they will shift more as McDonald gets to his spot



they get combo blocks on both DT's and because they ran the FB dive and not a RB dive Chancellor stays outside the tackle for contain on Gore
If AB81Rules deals with numbers.... dude you're like the "AB81Rules" of the playbook. You have a bright future on the WZ if you continue this.. You could get mad ratings if you did this after every game
Originally posted by ninerfan52:
How did you get coaches film and do you work for a pro football team? do you think we take you seriously?


It's available for sale by the NFL.
Is it just me or are these pass plays remedial? The majority of routes are headed right into the 8 man box, when you'd think they would want to widen the field trying to find soft spots in the zone.
Originally posted by ninerfan52:
How did you get coaches film and do you work for a pro football team? do you think we take you seriously?

NFL game rewind from the nfl.com buddy for an exact webpage, nfl.com/gamerewind
It gives access to 2 coaches film angles. The All 22 which shows the backed out view to see the DB's and WR patterns and an endzone view for Lineman and LB's
Originally posted by 5280High:
Is it just me or are these pass plays remedial? The majority of routes are headed right into the 8 man box, when you'd think they would want to widen the field trying to find soft spots in the zone.

I'll show the times they tried to do other things. They ran a lot of play action passes, which you probably noticed on the broadcast. How Seattle makes the game difficult is they run a 6-2 front. They're DT's do a good job eating up blockers through all their slants in the line while their DE's press hard upfield because they don't have outside contain. This makes their pass rush better and their run defense more difficult to catch in a bad situation. Because they run 3 deep almost the whole game they can play 4 men on underneath coverage. That's why their DB"s molest receivers. Cause they cannot let anyone past them and they see a 5 yd defensive holding penalty as better than a 40 yd gain.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by ninerfan52:
How did you get coaches film and do you work for a pro football team? do you think we take you seriously?

NFL game rewind from the nfl.com buddy for an exact webpage, nfl.com/gamerewind
It gives access to 2 coaches film angles. The All 22 which shows the backed out view to see the DB's and WR patterns and an endzone view for Lineman and LB's

And yes, of course he works for a pro football team.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by ninerfan52:
How did you get coaches film and do you work for a pro football team? do you think we take you seriously?

NFL game rewind from the nfl.com buddy for an exact webpage, nfl.com/gamerewind
It gives access to 2 coaches film angles. The All 22 which shows the backed out view to see the DB's and WR patterns and an endzone view for Lineman and LB's

Just curious jonnydel, have you worked in film for any teams. Your analysis is direct and to the point, others I've seen complicate things too much. You should get into cinematography, maybe you already are.
Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Just curious jonnydel, have you worked in film for any teams. Your analysis is direct and to the point, others I've seen complicate things too much. You should get into cinematography, maybe you already are.

haha, nope never done any of that. Would love to in my spare time though :)