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Analysis from Seahawks Game coaches film

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
very cool, detailed analysis. if you don't mind me asking, where do you get coaches film from?

+1. Keep them coming. Very happy to have a thread dedicated to this.

Hoovtrain, the coaches film is available to anyone with $60 (might be cheaper now that it's week 15). I feel it is a must in order to understand what is going on in the secondary, which is where everything is unfolding on pass plays.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
This post will show how Kaep threw the interception



On the broadcast you may remember Kaep audible at the line to this play.

On this play, he saw the defense in a similar alignment to the Vernon play above, thinking it was man coverage he audibled. However, Seattle went into a cover 3.
The corner Maxwell takes an over the top coverage, while Chancellor the safety, takes underneath coverage as there is no route to hold him in the flat. The safety Thomas is moving over towards Crabs for help and Maxwell, knowing he has help underneath, stays on top of Crabs and Kaep throws the pick to Maxwell. Granted the throw Kaep was trying to make is a VERY difficult throw, he shouldn't have thrown it in the first place. The moment he saw Chancellor drop out in coverage he should recognized the cover 3, known the play was dead and scrambled out right where there was NOBODY.

if Kaep puts a little bit more air under that ball thats a TD, it was just a bad throw

That's why I say it's a really tough throw to make, Maxwell had great over the top coverage and the window was really only a few inches wide. When the game is that close and your receiver is doubled and you're in the red zone and you have that much space to take off. Don't throw the ball.
This thread is full of win!
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
very cool, detailed analysis. if you don't mind me asking, where do you get coaches film from?

+1. Keep them coming. Very happy to have a thread dedicated to this.

Hoovtrain, the coaches film is available to anyone with $60 (might be cheaper now that it's week 15). I feel it is a must in order to understand what is going on in the secondary, which is where everything is unfolding on pass plays.

I can do this now cause I'm taking care of my sick father with an absence from work and have a lot of spare time on my hands. Plus, game rewind is on a 7 day free trial
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
This thread is full of win!

yup, dude wins the webzone today, everyone else just stop posting new threads.
This thread is making me orgasm
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
This thread is full of win!

yup, dude wins the webzone today, everyone else just stop posting new threads.

Hopefully these noob threads aren't ruined by the Veterans. lol
Originally posted by jonnydel:
This post will show how Hunter can learn from Gore and needs to do a better job of reading his blocks. Maybe why his playing time has diminished.



Here, it's hard to see hunter so I have circled him with the 0, but, they run a zone read play.
Kaep correctly reads the D-end moving upfield on him and hands to Hunter. Hunter, if he reads the great blocks from Snyder and Staley has a gaping hole.
Instead of cutting left, he cuts right(it's his tendency)


You can see the result of the play. He gets swallowed up for a 2 yd gain. But, could've had the kind of hole Frank had for the 51 yarder being 1-1 with Thomas.

I loved this, AJ and I will be talking about Gore again this week and I've already done a review of some of Gore's big plays against the Seahawks. If you could take a look at these two plays:

1st and 10 at SEA 34(Shotgun) F.Gore up the middle to SEA 30 for 4 yards (E.Thomas, K.Wright).
--> end of the 1st quarter
1st and 10 at SF 26F.Gore right guard to SF 34 for 8 yards (R.Sherman, E.Thomas).
--> early in the 2nd quarter

I'd be interested to see if you see what I see RE: Gore's vision (and cutbacks)
This will show How Seattle scored their first TD



Seattle loves the zone stretch run to the left side. Here they line up with 3 receivers to the left and the TE on the line to the right. The niners show a quarters coverage look which brings Carlos Rogers in tight.



Seattle goes stretch run to the right and Ray McDonald(highlight by the red arrow) doesn't stay at home, trying to collapse down. Lynch reads McDonalds collapse and cuts back to the open area for a 6 yard gain



From the endzone you see how this leaves a blocker to hit willis and how much of a hole is opened. Rogers and Brooks end up making the tackle.




Seeing McDonald collapse, Seattle runs the exact same play with 2 differences. The niners show the same defense, and the hawks show 3 receivers to the left, but this time they have a tight end in the slot with a receiver out right. This pulls Carlos Rogers out wide.



Again McDonald collapses down on the stretch left play. This time, Seattle runs Wilson out right to pull Brooks out, since the previous play Brooks and Rogers made the tackle, Seattle removed them from the play. You can see the gaping cutback lane for Lynch, who takes it in for the score.

It is worth noting that after that play McDonald played much more disciplined against the stretch run.

When the Niners play sound, fundamental defense they are great. McDonald should stay at home to the outside shade of the lineman, he's trying to cover the gap responsibility of Bowman.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
This post will show how Kaep threw the interception



On the broadcast you may remember Kaep audible at the line to this play.

On this play, he saw the defense in a similar alignment to the Vernon play above, thinking it was man coverage he audibled. However, Seattle went into a cover 3.
The corner Maxwell takes an over the top coverage, while Chancellor the safety, takes underneath coverage as there is no route to hold him in the flat. The safety Thomas is moving over towards Crabs for help and Maxwell, knowing he has help underneath, stays on top of Crabs and Kaep throws the pick to Maxwell. Granted the throw Kaep was trying to make is a VERY difficult throw, he shouldn't have thrown it in the first place. The moment he saw Chancellor drop out in coverage he should recognized the cover 3, known the play was dead and scrambled out right where there was NOBODY.

I have a different take on this INT play. It seems Kap saw the single high safety and thought cover1, with press man on Crabs. As soon as the CB Maxwell turned his back and Kap saw Maxwell's numbers on the back of his jersey, he felt Crabs was available. You are correct that Maxwell had over the top technique and he definitely did not bail. My thinking is that Crabs 1 on 1 is good enough for Kap to try. There were only 3 route runners here. The other side of the field had nothing to throw to (Vance/VD covered).

I feel the proper read was made and there is a slight window over the top of Maxwell. It is very possible that as soon as the ball was thrown, Cam was yelling "ball! ball!" to Maxwell, which causes Maxwell to turn and look for the ball. This was a good back shoulder throw, something that defeats press man. But if the CB's teammate is communicating during play, it nullifies the advantage of a back shoulder throw. Perhaps Kap should have gone with a fade route throw (outside shoulder), not a back shoulder throw (inside shoulder). That throw was way too far inside and underthrown.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
I loved this, AJ and I will be talking about Gore again this week and I've already done a review of some of Gore's big plays against the Seahawks. If you could take a look at these two plays:

1st and 10 at SEA 34(Shotgun) F.Gore up the middle to SEA 30 for 4 yards (E.Thomas, K.Wright).
--> end of the 1st quarter
1st and 10 at SF 26F.Gore right guard to SF 34 for 8 yards (R.Sherman, E.Thomas).
--> early in the 2nd quarter

I'd be interested to see if you see what I see RE: Gore's vision (and cutbacks)

I'm working on some plays to show that
Originally posted by thl408:
I have a different take on this INT play. It seems Kap saw the single high safety and thought cover1, with press man on Crabs. As soon as the CB Maxwell turned his back and Kap saw Maxwell's numbers on the back of his jersey, he felt Crabs was available. You are correct that Maxwell had over the top technique and he definitely did not bail. My thinking is that Crabs 1 on 1 is good enough for Kap to try. There were only 3 route runners here. The other side of the field had nothing to throw to (Vance/VD covered).

I feel the proper read was made and there is a slight window over the top of Maxwell. It is very possible that as soon as the ball was thrown, Cam was yelling "ball! ball!" to Maxwell, which causes Maxwell to turn and look for the ball. This was a good back shoulder throw, something that defeats press man. But if the CB's teammate is communicating during play, it nullifies the advantage of a back shoulder throw. Perhaps Kap should have gone with a fade route throw (outside shoulder), not a back shoulder throw (inside shoulder). That throw was way too far inside and underthrown.

true, but, with the underneath coverage it takes away the back shoulder throw, making Kaep, if he takes that throw, go over the top. The Corner is going to know this and Maxwell knows this and plays his coverage right for the over the top. That's why I'm saying the throw is insanely difficult to make and he really shouldn't have taken the shot. He had room to run, a 3 yd gain is still better than a pick.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
I have a different take on this INT play. It seems Kap saw the single high safety and thought cover1, with press man on Crabs. As soon as the CB Maxwell turned his back and Kap saw Maxwell's numbers on the back of his jersey, he felt Crabs was available. You are correct that Maxwell had over the top technique and he definitely did not bail. My thinking is that Crabs 1 on 1 is good enough for Kap to try. There were only 3 route runners here. The other side of the field had nothing to throw to (Vance/VD covered).

I feel the proper read was made and there is a slight window over the top of Maxwell. It is very possible that as soon as the ball was thrown, Cam was yelling "ball! ball!" to Maxwell, which causes Maxwell to turn and look for the ball. This was a good back shoulder throw, something that defeats press man. But if the CB's teammate is communicating during play, it nullifies the advantage of a back shoulder throw. Perhaps Kap should have gone with a fade route throw (outside shoulder), not a back shoulder throw (inside shoulder). That throw was way too far inside and underthrown.

true, but, with the underneath coverage it takes away the back shoulder throw, making Kaep, if he takes that throw, go over the top. The Corner is going to know this and Maxwell knows this and plays his coverage right for the over the top. That's why I'm saying the throw is insanely difficult to make and he really shouldn't have taken the shot. He had room to run, a 3 yd gain is still better than a pick.

No arguments there. They bracketed Crabs and it's a hell of a tough throw indeed. Kap can take the shot but locate the ball where only Crabs can get it. I'll stop and allow you to keep posting the breakdowns.
Good siht.
Now I will show how Seattle scored it's 2nd TD



Here the niners are playing a soft 2 zone. Meaning the safeties are responsible for the 2 deep halves, the corners will drop about 10 yards back outside, the linebackers will cover short middle and Brooks drops towards the flat/qb contain.

Seattle pulls a run fake and Reid bites BIGTIME. He abandons his zone for run support. You can see Whitner on the top of the screen dropping into his deep half


Here you see Willis turned and saw Reid(highlighted by the red arrow) was out of his zone and tries to give chase. Rogers, when he turned his hips, saw Reid had jumped the PA and had to run with the receiver down the field leaving a wide open Luke Wilson(TE)



Rogers has to come off his man, try and close, and make the tackle on a big TE in open space. That's a tough task for anyone, so I don't blame him for missing the tackle. From there Wilson goes in to score.

If Reid stays home, Rogers can peel off his receiver and jump the TE route.

Reid is an outstanding safety and did play very well throughout this game. But, busted coverages like this can knock you out of the playoffs and playoff teams know how to take advantage.

Like I said in my previous post. When we play sound, fundamental defense, we are probably the best defense in the league.