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Article: The 49ers need Kaepernick to play like Smith on Sunday

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Thread Title.

"The 49ers need Kaepernick to play like Smith on Sunday"


Roman plan.

"offense needs "chunk plays" against the Seahawks"

LOL. Point taken.

Seriously though, we need both. We need the steady gains that come with short, quick throws. We also need chunk plays to score points and build big momentum.

This is precisely why I hope they have stressed this week the following that I commented earlier:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

If the deep pass isn't there, don't force the ball into double and triple coverage like he has the tendency to do for much of the season.

If the defense has clamped down on us early, Kaep needs to bide his time, be patient and eventually, that play will open up and it will be like heaven just opened up with angels singing -- and THAT will be his moment -- he can let it fly and we can start to run away with it. Once they start to respect us deep, the running lanes for him will open up too.

He must exude patience. If he can do that, and gets a little help from some creativity from Roman, we will eventually get those chunk play moments in the game.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Dec 5, 2013 at 10:39 PM ]
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Thread Title.

"The 49ers need Kaepernick to play like Smith on Sunday"


Roman plan.

"offense needs "chunk plays" against the Seahawks"

LOL. Point taken.

Seriously though, we need both. We need the steady gains that come with short, quick throws. We also need chunk plays to score points and build big momentum.

This is precisely why I hope they have stressed this week the following that I commented earlier:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

If the deep pass isn't there, don't force the ball into double and triple coverage like he has the tendency to do for much of the season.

If the defense has clamped down on us early, Kaep needs to bide his time, be patient and eventually, that play will open up and it will be like heaven just opened up with angels singing -- and THAT will be his moment -- he can let it fly and we can start to run away with it. Once they start to respect us deep, the running lanes for him will open up too.

He must exude patience. If he can do that, and gets a little help from some creativity from Roman, we will eventually get those chunk play moments in the game.

This. Keep plugging, eventually something will give and then you attack. This is one of the reasons Montana was so great. Sometimes, he'd look like crap for 2-3 quarters only to tear it up in the 3rd or 4th.

The patience was one of Alex's virtues...I think that is all the article is really suggesting.
I totally agree with this article. Kap needs to learn to throw the ball to the open guy, even if the dude is 5 yards down field. Teams are purposefully not covering these guys because Kap simply will not throw to them.

We need time of possession against Seattle, and Smith was good at that. He kept the clock running and was very efficient. Kap needs to be patient and take positive plays. All too often Kap makes up his mind that he is going to throw the 15 yard out and just ignores the open guy at 8 yards. This needs to stop. If you want to beat Seattle take what they give you and don't put our defense is crappy situations.

At least Kap could take the open guy on early downs, but too often he throws into coverage on 1st down. This simply isn't necessary. Take the 5 yards on first and second down when it is there. Be patient and mature, not greedy.
[ Edited by bigwads on Dec 6, 2013 at 12:06 PM ]
49ers have 4 offensive touchdowns in harbaugh's 5 games as head coach against Seattle. The offense has scored 19 (not counting ginns 2 returns), 19, 13, 13, 3. Even when they were winning they were doing it with D and FG's. Seattle has a good offense now that Wilson is there....they are going to need more big plays.
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
The above is pure BS. For much of the season and especially against the better teams 70% of offensive snaps looked like fire drills with the opposing defense just running right though our Oline. What made these rushes even worse was they they were many times run defense rush blitz', so when there was no run they were already in Kaps face, hanging on him, or chasing him out of the where the "pocket" should have been, but never was. As they chase him out they have penetration on the left, and right of him=no where to go, and nothin to do..

It's been a huge problem;pass protection, for our Oline. This year I have been getting a big laugh when media says our Oline is one of the best. What, the best at making our QB to look like a rodeo clown running for his life, not being able to go though even 2 reads before his time is over..jeusus christos.........!

I agree they look like fire drills, but for the reasons I gave. He gets flustered and gives up WAY too quickly. The tackles are trying to push the edge rushers around and behind the pocket. Kap has a tendency to panic and leave the pocket, only to find himself right in the path of the defender (where the offensive lineman is supposed to direct his guy).

Has a guy or two beat his man and come though unblocked here and there? Of course, that happens to every O-line and QB at least a time or two a game. It happens but isn't happening any more this year than it was last year.

And lets not pretend pass protection was a strength of this O-line last year or the year before, it hasn't been. If they were not running well so they can set up play action they have looked like a mediocre pass blocking team for years. If anything they are looking better this year in this regard because Anthony Davis has stepped up his game on edge rushers a little bit. His anticipation and first step is better than he previous years have been.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
That is the title of the most recent blog on the Webzone. Do you agree or disagree with it?

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1211-49ers-need-kaepernick-play-like-smith-sunday/


Overall, I agree to an extent. Kaepernick has to play mistake-free football, not force anything, and take what the defense gives. That is the recipe for beating Seattle. Establishing the run game is huge too, and that's what led to Tampa nearly beating the Seahawks IN SEATTLE. I hope we come out with a plan that stresses these things.

"By Jack Hammer"




Strong name is strong indeed. Do we have porn stars moonlighting as writers on the Webzone?
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Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
The above is pure BS. For much of the season and especially against the better teams 70% of offensive snaps looked like fire drills with the opposing defense just running right though our Oline. What made these rushes even worse was they they were many times run defense rush blitz', so when there was no run they were already in Kaps face, hanging on him, or chasing him out of the where the "pocket" should have been, but never was. As they chase him out they have penetration on the left, and right of him=no where to go, and nothin to do..

It's been a huge problem;pass protection, for our Oline. This year I have been getting a big laugh when media says our Oline is one of the best. What, the best at making our QB to look like a rodeo clown running for his life, not being able to go though even 2 reads before his time is over..jeusus christos.........!

I agree they look like fire drills, but for the reasons I gave. He gets flustered and gives up WAY too quickly. The tackles are trying to push the edge rushers around and behind the pocket. Kap has a tendency to panic and leave the pocket, only to find himself right in the path of the defender (where the offensive lineman is supposed to direct his guy).

Has a guy or two beat his man and come though unblocked here and there? Of course, that happens to every O-line and QB at least a time or two a game. It happens but isn't happening any more this year than it was last year.

And lets not pretend pass protection was a strength of this O-line last year or the year before, it hasn't been. If they were not running well so they can set up play action they have looked like a mediocre pass blocking team for years. If anything they are looking better this year in this regard because Anthony Davis has stepped up his game on edge rushers a little bit. His anticipation and first step is better than he previous years have been.

You probably should rewatch our losses. The oline has been terrible in our defeats. They aren't the only reason Kap has struggled, but to put blame on Kap for their poor play is ridiculous. The games Kap has looked really bad, he's had literally no time in the pocket to even go through one progression. It just irks me to hear fans say he bails too early and that he doesn't go through his progressions. Sure, that happens sometimes on Kaps doing, but most of the time the pocket is collapsing around him way too early. Iupati, Davis, and Goodwin have all had their struggles at times in Pass-pro. Which is no surprise because these guys are better suited for run blocking.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
That is the title of the most recent blog on the Webzone. Do you agree or disagree with it?

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1211-49ers-need-kaepernick-play-like-smith-sunday/


Overall, I agree to an extent. Kaepernick has to play mistake-free football, not force anything, and take what the defense gives. That is the recipe for beating Seattle. Establishing the run game is huge too, and that's what led to Tampa nearly beating the Seahawks IN SEATTLE. I hope we come out with a plan that stresses these things.

"By Jack Hammer"




Strong name is strong indeed. Do we have porn stars moonlighting as writers on the Webzone?

Originally posted by AmpLee:
You probably should rewatch our losses. The oline has been terrible in our defeats. They aren't the only reason Kap has struggled, but to put blame on Kap for their poor play is ridiculous. The games Kap has looked really bad, he's had literally no time in the pocket to even go through one progression. It just irks me to hear fans say he bails too early and that he doesn't go through his progressions. Sure, that happens sometimes on Kaps doing, but most of the time the pocket is collapsing around him way too early. Iupati, Davis, and Goodwin have all had their struggles at times in Pass-pro. Which is no surprise because these guys are better suited for run blocking.

He's done the same thing I'm talking about a number of times in wins and losses.

And I have rewatched all the games. I started watching the "All 22" film on NFL.com after every game because so many people were screaming about how 49er receivers were not getting open so I had to see for myself what was really happening since you can't even see if people are getting open when the camera is on the QB/ball on the network's sideline camera (receivers are consistently open BTW).

He does it all the time. Clean pocket to step up into right in font of him and he freaks out and runs right into the defender behind or to his side. Watch for it this weekend. I hope he doesn't keep doing it and you don't see it but there is little doubt he fixes that overnight.

The only game where the O-line was playing under their normal abilities was the game in Seattle. There is an obvious reason for that and they played just as possibly in Seattle last year so the idea that they are playing worse is nonsense. This O-line has been passblocking to the same standard consistently for about three seasons now.


P.S. The "pocket" collapses around all QB's. That is all any QB can ask for. A collapsing pocket is still a pocket. If the rushers have been pushed around the sides of the pocket for 2.5-3 seconds that is is good as it gets on most plays. That is the way it is supposed to work. The fact that there is a pocket at all means the O-line is doing its job most of the time. The one thing the QB is not supposed to do is run into the direction of the defenders when he can step forward and throw the ball or pick up some yards with his legs.
[ Edited by Gavintech on Dec 6, 2013 at 12:43 PM ]
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Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
You probably should rewatch our losses. The oline has been terrible in our defeats. They aren't the only reason Kap has struggled, but to put blame on Kap for their poor play is ridiculous. The games Kap has looked really bad, he's had literally no time in the pocket to even go through one progression. It just irks me to hear fans say he bails too early and that he doesn't go through his progressions. Sure, that happens sometimes on Kaps doing, but most of the time the pocket is collapsing around him way too early. Iupati, Davis, and Goodwin have all had their struggles at times in Pass-pro. Which is no surprise because these guys are better suited for run blocking.

He's done the same thing I'm talking about a number of times in wins and losses.

And I have rewatched all the games. I started watching the "All 22" film on NFL.com after every game because so many people were screaming about how 49er receivers were not getting open so I had to see for myself what was really happening since you can't even see if people are getting open when the camera is on the QB/ball on the network's sideline camera (receivers are consistently open BTW).

He does it all the time. Clean pocket to step up into right in font of him and he freaks out and runs right into the defender behind or to his side. Watch for it this weekend. I hope he doesn't keep doing it and you don't see it but there is little doubt he fixes that overnight.

The only game where the O-line was playing under their normal abilities was the game in Seattle. There is an obvious reason for that and they played just as possibly in Seattle last year so the idea that they are playing worse is nonsense. This O-line has been passblocking to the same standard consistently for about three seasons now.


P.S. The "pocket" collapses around all QB's. That is all any QB can ask for. A collapsing pocket is still a pocket. If the rushers have been pushed around the sides of the pocket for 2.5-3 seconds that is is good as it gets on most plays. That is the way it is supposed to work. The fact that there is a pocket at all means the O-line is doing its job most of the time. The one thing the QB is not supposed to do is run into the direction of the defenders when he can step forward and throw the ball or pick up some yards with his legs.

You don't need to school me, I've watch plenty of the coaches film this year too via GamePass. In our losses, it's a recurring theme that Kap has very little time to go through his progressions. Yes, there are times he bails early when feeling pressure, but using that and extrapolating it as the norm is intellectually dishonest. Looking at PFFs ratings, our O-line isn't performing to their standards from last year. Yes, we are the tenth ranked O-line but that's a far cry from the gushing we get every Sunday from commentators drooling about the best Oline they've seen since the Cowboys in the 90s. We simply aren't consistent in our wins to our losses and it's abundantly clear in the film and the statistics.
[ Edited by AmpLee on Dec 6, 2013 at 12:54 PM ]
Well, he needs to protect the ball, but you will have to make big plays to beat Seattle. Playing a game managing style will make it awfully hard to beat this team.

Kaepernick 19-27 259 yards, 2 TDs 0 INTs, 6 rushes 39 yards
weakhawks luck will run out
The thing that Kaep HAS to do in this game is run. Take that first down with his legs when its there. I like that he's looking downfield to make a big throw, but our opportunities to have long, time consuming drives will be few and far between.
Glad Kaep didn't play like Alex Smith today.

Then why did we trade Smith away then? Nobody plays Alex Smith like, well Alex Smith.
This is ridiculous. This is Alex fanboy saying hey look at Alex. Yeah we see that he's
getting beat by the better QB, Peyton Manning. Long may it continue.
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