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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by ECLaloosh:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
True (and I had a feeling someone would say something about that), but most other teams (including Seattle) haven't been on the good side of blowouts this season. While the Niners have struggled against the better teams, they have been OBLITERATING the other teams on their schedule.

A good example is this weekend...the Rams had 122 yards of offense through 3 quarters....yet they ended up with over 300.

as we get deeper into the season and hit the playoffs, what you did against the lesser teams of the league doesnt really matter. we're only going to play those teams who we have struggled against already, and we'll be playing them on the road. we can turn it around but i'm not really caring what we did against s**tty teams.

Of course...but that has nothing to do with my point. Only saying that the Niners have been in garbage time more than other teams ans that's why they've given up a lot of garbage time yards and points. I wish someone tracked that.

All 2013 games where Niners lead by 10 or more points in the final 10 minutes...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/play_finder.cgi?request=1&match=summary_all&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&team_id=sfo&opp_id=&game_type=R&playoff_round=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&quarter=4&quarter=5&tr_gtlt=lt&minutes=10&seconds=00&down=0&down=1&down=2&down=3&down=4&yds_to_go_min=&yds_to_go_max=&yg_gtlt=gt&yards=&is_first_down=-1&field_pos_min_field=team&field_pos_min=&field_pos_max_field=team&field_pos_max=&type=PASS&type=RUSH&is_turnover=-1&is_scoring=-1&no_play=0&game_day_of_week=&game_location=&game_result=W&margin_min=10&margin_max=50&order_by=yards

Doesn't really capture it.

49ers had huge leads and the game was essentially over against every team they beat outside of Green Bay and Arizona. I know they gave up points and yards late to the Rams both times, the Titans, the Jags, at LEAST 28-35 pointws and a lot more yards...especially vs the Rams on Sunday and vs the Titans.

It is what it is tho. Just sayin they've had a lot of leads.

You're right, I had the team info reversed in the criteria. This should give you what you're looking for.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/play_finder.cgi?request=1&match=summary_all&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&team_id=&opp_id=sfo&game_type=R&playoff_round=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&quarter=4&quarter=5&tr_gtlt=lt&minutes=10&seconds=00&down=0&down=1&down=2&down=3&down=4&yds_to_go_min=&yds_to_go_max=&yg_gtlt=gt&yards=&is_first_down=-1&field_pos_min_field=team&field_pos_min=&field_pos_max_field=team&field_pos_max=&type=PASS&type=RUSH&is_turnover=-1&is_scoring=-1&no_play=0&game_day_of_week=&game_location=&game_result=L&margin_min=-50&margin_max=-10&order_by=yards
Originally posted by ECLaloosh:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by ECLaloosh:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
True (and I had a feeling someone would say something about that), but most other teams (including Seattle) haven't been on the good side of blowouts this season. While the Niners have struggled against the better teams, they have been OBLITERATING the other teams on their schedule.

A good example is this weekend...the Rams had 122 yards of offense through 3 quarters....yet they ended up with over 300.

as we get deeper into the season and hit the playoffs, what you did against the lesser teams of the league doesnt really matter. we're only going to play those teams who we have struggled against already, and we'll be playing them on the road. we can turn it around but i'm not really caring what we did against s**tty teams.

Of course...but that has nothing to do with my point. Only saying that the Niners have been in garbage time more than other teams ans that's why they've given up a lot of garbage time yards and points. I wish someone tracked that.

All 2013 games where Niners lead by 10 or more points in the final 10 minutes...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/play_finder.cgi?request=1&match=summary_all&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&team_id=sfo&opp_id=&game_type=R&playoff_round=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&quarter=4&quarter=5&tr_gtlt=lt&minutes=10&seconds=00&down=0&down=1&down=2&down=3&down=4&yds_to_go_min=&yds_to_go_max=&yg_gtlt=gt&yards=&is_first_down=-1&field_pos_min_field=team&field_pos_min=&field_pos_max_field=team&field_pos_max=&type=PASS&type=RUSH&is_turnover=-1&is_scoring=-1&no_play=0&game_day_of_week=&game_location=&game_result=W&margin_min=10&margin_max=50&order_by=yards

Doesn't really capture it.

49ers had huge leads and the game was essentially over against every team they beat outside of Green Bay and Arizona. I know they gave up points and yards late to the Rams both times, the Titans, the Jags, at LEAST 28-35 pointws and a lot more yards...especially vs the Rams on Sunday and vs the Titans.

It is what it is tho. Just sayin they've had a lot of leads.

You're right, I had the team info reversed in the criteria. This should give you what you're looking for.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/play_finder.cgi?request=1&match=summary_all&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&team_id=&opp_id=sfo&game_type=R&playoff_round=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&quarter=4&quarter=5&tr_gtlt=lt&minutes=10&seconds=00&down=0&down=1&down=2&down=3&down=4&yds_to_go_min=&yds_to_go_max=&yg_gtlt=gt&yards=&is_first_down=-1&field_pos_min_field=team&field_pos_min=&field_pos_max_field=team&field_pos_max=&type=PASS&type=RUSH&is_turnover=-1&is_scoring=-1&no_play=0&game_day_of_week=&game_location=&game_result=L&margin_min=-50&margin_max=-10&order_by=yards

That's more like it.

4 TDs there and the rams had a 2 pt conversion in first meeting so that's 29 pts. Dunno exactly how that compares to other teams, but it shows 7 games fit your formula.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
That's more like it.

4 TDs there and the rams had a 2 pt conversion in first meeting so that's 29 pts. Dunno exactly how that compares to other teams, but it shows 7 games fit your formula.

10 point lead with 10 minutes or less, yeah. I wouldn't necessarily call that garbage time, but it should capture a lot of 4th quarter action in which SF led by double digits in the 4th.
[ Edited by ECLaloosh on Dec 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM ]
Originally posted by ECLaloosh:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
That's more like it.

4 TDs there and the rams had a 2 pt conversion in first meeting so that's 29 pts. Dunno exactly how that compares to other teams, but it shows 7 games fit your formula.

10 point lead with 10 minutes or less, yeah. I wouldn't necessarily call that garbage time, but it should capture a lot of 4th quarter action in which SF led by double digits in the 4th.

Well, in all fairness there isn't really a way to draw a line between what is and isn't garbage time. When your in it tho, you usually know. It depends on the flow of the game, etc. Suffice it to say, the 49ers have been in it quite a bit this year.
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[ Edited by pdizo916 on Dec 4, 2013 at 8:05 AM ]
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Well, in all fairness there isn't really a way to draw a line between what is and isn't garbage time. When your in it tho, you usually know. It depends on the flow of the game, etc. Suffice it to say, the 49ers have been in it quite a bit this year.

This. One could argue that after the 1st qtr of last night's SEA/NO game, the Saints were in "Garbage Time"......... No way to qualify it.
Good work Marv. Thanks for the info.
Originally posted by SaksV:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Well, in all fairness there isn't really a way to draw a line between what is and isn't garbage time. When your in it tho, you usually know. It depends on the flow of the game, etc. Suffice it to say, the 49ers have been in it quite a bit this year.

This. One could argue that after the 1st qtr of last night's SEA/NO game, the Saints were in "Garbage Time"......... No way to qualify it.

any comeback attempt that falls short could be classified as garbage time, looking at it after the fact
Originally posted by swayze:
Originally posted by SaksV:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Well, in all fairness there isn't really a way to draw a line between what is and isn't garbage time. When your in it tho, you usually know. It depends on the flow of the game, etc. Suffice it to say, the 49ers have been in it quite a bit this year.

This. One could argue that after the 1st qtr of last night's SEA/NO game, the Saints were in "Garbage Time"......... No way to qualify it.

any comeback attempt that falls short could be classified as garbage time, looking at it after the fact


If you look at it strictly from a stat perspective, that is correct.

Watching a game tho you can see when a team begins to be more lax and tries to burn clock. The D plays off much more to keep from surrendering big play and forcing the offense to take time to score. The offense all but shuts down to kill clock and ends up kicking the ball back to the other team so that D can again play off for time purposes.

You can see it when its happening. Its just impossible to define it in stat form.
ummmmm, the Seahawks faced the same damn teams.
Hey Marvin, not sure how far you're trying to go with this but if you're looking for analysis of your offense weighted against the defenses they've played (and how important each play was when it was played), why don't you just use their DVOA stats?
[ Edited by ECLaloosh on Dec 4, 2013 at 10:00 AM ]
Originally posted by ECLaloosh:
Hey Marvin, not sure how far you're trying to go with this but if you're looking for analysis of your offense weighted against the defenses they've played (and how important each play was when it was played), why don't you just use their DVOA stats?


I wasn't looking to go that deep. Just making the point that the offensive downturn has something (but not all) to do with the respectable defenses the 49ers have faced.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by ECLaloosh:
Hey Marvin, not sure how far you're trying to go with this but if you're looking for analysis of your offense weighted against the defenses they've played (and how important each play was when it was played), why don't you just use their DVOA stats?


I wasn't looking to go that deep. Just making the point that the offensive downturn has something (but not all) to do with the respectable defenses the 49ers have faced.


Well if you look at the total DVOA and weighted DVOA(which takes into account how teams are playing now) we're doing pretty good. It's not surprising that 3 of the 4 teams that bet us are ranked higher. Once we get to the playoffs we will probably have to play 2 of those teams again to make it to the Superbowl.....

TEAM TOTAL
DVOA
LAST
WEEK
WEIGHTED
DVOA
RANK W-L OFFENSE
DVOA
OFF.
RANK
DEFENSE
DVOA
DEF.
RANK
S.T.
DVOA
S.T.
RANK
1 SEA 40.7% 1 41.8% 1 11-1 13.3% 5 -20.7% 1 6.8% 2
2 DEN 32.1% 2 28.3% 3 10-2 32.6% 1 0.7% 18 0.1% 17
3 CAR 30.2% 3 32.1% 2 9-3 11.4% 8 -18.0% 2 0.8% 14
4 NO 20.1% 4 20.9% 5 9-3 16.5% 4 -4.9% 11 -1.3% 21
5 NE 19.1% 5 22.5% 4 9-3 11.8% 6 -1.2% 16 6.1% 4
6 SF 16.7% 6 17.6% 6 8-4 5.1% 14 -8.9% 6 2.7% 10
7 CIN 14.8% 7 16.6% 7 8-4 -5.1% 21 -15.5% 4 4.4% 7
8 KC 10.9% 9 7.8% 11 9-3 -0.3% 16 -4.1% 12 7.0% 1
9 PHI 10.5% 10 13.4% 8 7-5 18.2% 3 7.6% 25 -0.1% 19
10 CHI 10.5% 8 7.6% 12 6-6 11.0% 9 1.6% 19 1.1% 12
11 ARI 7.6% 11 9.7% 9 7-5 -7.2% 24 -17.2% 3 -2.5% 24
12 STL 4.4% 14 8.6% 10 5-7 -4.3% 20 -2.4% 13 6.3% 3
13 DET 3.5% 18 4.4% 13 7-5 5.4% 13 -1.7% 15 -3.6% 26
14 DAL 2.4% 12 1.7% 15 7-5 7.9% 10 9.4% 27 3.9% 9
15 IND 1.0% 17 -3.1% 19 8-4 3.8% 15 3.7% 20 0.9% 13
16 PIT 0.5% 15 3.4% 14 5-7 5.7% 12 5.4% 23 0.3% 15
TEAM TOTAL
DVOA
LAST
WEEK
WEIGHTED
DVOA
RANK W-L OFFENSE
DVOA
OFF.
RANK
DEFENSE
DVOA
DEF.
RANK
S.T.
DVOA
S.T.
RANK
17 MIA -1.1% 21 0.2% 17 6-6 -0.7% 17 -2.2% 14 -2.5% 25
18 SD -1.4% 19 0.3% 16 5-7 22.0% 2 23.6% 32 0.2% 16
19 TB -1.9% 16 -1.3% 18 3-9 -6.6% 22 -6.3% 10 -1.6% 22
20 BUF -4.6% 20 -7.1% 21 4-8 -8.2% 25 -9.0% 5 -5.4% 28
21 GB -5.6% 13 -9.1% 24 5-6-1 11.7% 7 15.3% 30 -1.9% 23
22 TEN -7.7% 22 -9.0% 23 5-7 -2.3% 18 -0.9% 17 -6.2% 29
23 BAL -8.6% 23 -6.6% 20 6-6 -20.7% 30 -7.5% 8 4.7% 5
24 ATL -10.3% 24 -13.3% 25 3-9 6.0% 11 15.5% 31 -0.8% 20
25 NYG -12.5% 26 -7.8% 22 5-7 -12.9% 27 -7.9% 7 -7.5% 31
26 MIN -13.4% 27 -13.5% 26 3-8-1 -7.1% 23 10.7% 28 4.5% 6
27 NYJ -15.6% 25 -18.5% 27 5-7 -27.2% 31 -7.4% 9 4.2% 8
28 WAS -22.3% 29 -21.7% 28 3-9 -3.0% 19 8.1% 26 -11.2% 32
29 CLE -22.8% 28 -23.9% 29 4-8 -17.7% 28 5.1% 22 0.0% 18
30 HOU -23.1% 30 -25.6% 30 2-10 -12.3% 26 4.1% 21 -6.7% 30
31 OAK -30.3% 31 -30.8% 31 4-8 -18.4% 29 6.8% 24 -5.0% 27
32 JAC -47.7% 32 -40.1% 32 3-9 -36.1% 32 14.0% 29 2.4% 11