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Fran Tarkenton Says Kaeperknick looks Confused?

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
The biggest question for me is why didn't Harbaugh and Roman let CK play more in the preseason and institute the change in style then so that by this time, today, Kap would have been way more familiar with it. Trying to mold him into Andrew Luck mid season seems questionable, especially without Crabtree and Rio who the brass knew would be gone for a while. Who wouldn't be confused.

Based on the way we played offense early this season, I think they fully expected the pistol read-option to be as effective as it was last year. They were going to roll with it until defenses proved they could stop it. They have, and we had to adapt out of necessity.

Good point SofaKing. It's not realitic to think teams wouldn't catch on at some point. Arrogance or ignorance on their part?

Probably a little bit of both. I don't blame them for opening the season with the pistol. It was so wildly successful last year, it's worth finding out if we could sustain it. They knew defenses would catch on to a certain extent. That's why they hired Mangini, a defensive coach, to consult the offense. But it seems like they underestimated how effectively teams have prepared for it.

Yup, its called the OFF-SEASON.
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Pretty Good accessment from a very good QB & football mind in Fran T. I agree with him. Let CK use his legs more and throw on the run more, He has a cannon and can make HUGE chunk plays passing downfield using his legs.

Agree
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Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
"Fran"




add a K to that muthaf**ka

That's Incredible!

...I liked that show ...especially the episode when that dude caught a bullet with his teeth
Originally posted by thl408:
Holy crap, that just gave me a blast to the past moment. That show was awesome.

Is Fran a ventriloquist or was that really Tiger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfTY5xUFaJs
Originally posted by Kronos2560:
Originally posted by NeonNiner:
Originally posted by barrymartin:
Originally posted by verb1der:
This year is is pocket passing school for Kaep. Next year will be total annihilation!

The rules changes that allowed defenders to hit the QB on read/option really changed the teams plans. That along with how fast defenses caught up to our schemes. Harbaugh and Roman weren't ready for these rapid shifts in the dynamics. While they were creative, they didn't realize how intelligent and creative the rest of the NFL is. Welcome to the big leagues guys.

So, they saw that Frank had to be the prime guy and went back to what worked for him..the I formation. But I feel they did this in a reactionary way, riding the pendulum from wanting to be a wide open, spread passing offense as they did in the Green Bay game to being the 60% run team they morphed into during the winning stretch against inferior competition.

They have to find a new way, one that is more like the really good teams like Green Bay, Pats, New Orleans use. It's a hybrid with a lot of spread sets, still running a lot out of them. We dont' have to be 60/40 pass/run like the rest of the league, but how about 55/45. We all know the game favors passing, and we can't go against the odds forever. We're finding this out this season. Frank doesn't do as well with this, but Frank's days are coming to a close.

I think they are going to figure out that Kap functions best out of the spread and shotgun. He's built for it. He learned the game this way, he's natural and he MUST become the heart of the offense not a running back. The teams that win perennially are teams centered around an elite QB. Kap can be that, but only if we build the offense strategy around him. We saw what he can do last year. That amazing talent/skill set is still there. It's just on hold because of what they are attempting to morph him into.

Think about a New Orleans or Patriot type offense. Add in LaMichael in a Sproles role with more Kendall(who knows and would be great in spread) and we have a formula for the future. Throw in Lattimore who is the power back also familiar with spread and you have a real three headed monster at the RB. Crabs, Boldin, Manningham and VD spread out with LaMichael or Kendall in the backfield. Can you imagine what that would do to defenses if they had to also watch for Kap to roll out and turn the corner. I just don't know you would defend that. It would stretch defenses every way imaginable. If we are going to be a top team continually we are going to have to go much more in this direction....

Excellent post.


Only thing I'd add is that I hope we take a guy like Sammy Watkins, Marqise Lee, Odell Beckham Jr, or Brandin Cooks in the draft next year - a legit burner and game breaker that can stretch the field. It'd set our offense over the IMO.


Agree. I want Sammy Watkins
fran tarkenton looked confused his entire career so he really cant talk
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
fran tarkenton looked confused his entire career so he really cant talk

Hey! Knock that off! My favorite non-niner QB was a very good QB...with a mediocre team. Not sure he was a championship caliber QB but he was close. Loved to watch him run 200 yards behind the LOS in order to throw a five yard pass!

I agree with him that CK needs to be allowed to play instinctively, but at some point he will need to learn the nuances of the position and this year may be it...next? Top of the world Ma!
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Nov 27, 2013 at 10:54 PM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
fran tarkenton looked confused his entire career so he really cant talk

Hey! Knock that off! My favorite non-niner QB was a very good QB...with a mediocre team. Not sure he was a championship caliber QB but he was close. Loved to watch him run 200 yards behind the LOS in order to throw a five yard pass!
out of the non niners qbs i like brady, elway and thats pretty much it lol. i think Cam is dope but hes not on their level yet.
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Yeah, Fran is one to talk. He's the one running around like a chicken without it's head.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Yeah, Fran is one to talk. He's the one running around like a chicken without it's head.

...and setting records along the way!
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Yeah, Fran is one to talk. He's the one running around like a chicken without it's head.

...and setting records along the way!

True.
its not the end of the world that Kaepernick is having struggles. Everybody needs to put on the 88 niners yearbook to get some perspective. Steve Young struggled. Two time champ, Montana had some rough games too. in the end they went to soldier field and crushed the bears , then won fought hard for their third lombardi.

it takes time to become great and no qb ever achieves perfection. Kaepernick will lead the niners for many years to come, and even after the panthers and saints games, I was telling people to chill. this guy will mature. he will only get better and better once he has faced every scenario, and many struggles/ lessons.

bottom line. we are fotunate to have Kap. we are lucky to have Harbs. life is good. we may or we may not hold the trophy this year, but the future is bright. Go niners!
Originally posted by ninersforlife:
its not the end of the world that Kaepernick is having struggles. Everybody needs to put on the 88 niners yearbook to get some perspective. Steve Young struggled. Two time champ, Montana had some rough games too. in the end they went to soldier field and crushed the bears , then won fought hard for their third lombardi.

it takes time to become great and no qb ever achieves perfection. Kaepernick will lead the niners for many years to come, and even after the panthers and saints games, I was telling people to chill. this guy will mature. he will only get better and better once he has faced every scenario, and many struggles/ lessons.

bottom line. we are fotunate to have Kap. we are lucky to have Harbs. life is good. we may or we may not hold the trophy this year, but the future is bright. Go niners!

This is true...but you also never know if a guy will reach his potential. So a certain amount of angst is justifiable. It won't do any good to worry, but what else do you have to do from Monday til Saturday? LOL!

I still believe he has more physical talent than any QB I've seen and he is bright. What I don't know is whether he has the calm, champion gene or vision, or the maturity to ward off self destructive urges. It seems he does...but only time will tell for sure.
When you have only two legit pass receivers Boldin and Davis, and the defense stacks the line to stop the run/ rush the passer, it would be hard on any QB. We see how even Brady and Brees look average when they get pressured and can't find anyone open.

Crabtree will help in so many ways. The defense can't play the same way with 3 viable targets--4 if Manningham keeps recovering.
Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
When you have only two legit pass receivers Boldin and Davis, and the defense stacks the line to stop the run/ rush the passer, it would be hard on any QB. We see how even Brady and Brees look average when they get pressured and can't find anyone open.

Crabtree will help in so many ways. The defense can't play the same way with 3 viable targets--4 if Manningham keeps recovering.

And I smell a future playmaker in Quinton Patton once he can get healthy and get acclimated to this league
Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
When you have only two legit pass receivers Boldin and Davis, and the defense stacks the line to stop the run/ rush the passer, it would be hard on any QB. We see how even Brady and Brees look average when they get pressured and can't find anyone open.

Crabtree will help in so many ways. The defense can't play the same way with 3 viable targets--4 if Manningham keeps recovering.


It only makes a stronger case for the niners to make Crabtree a top priority to be re-signed, as long as he looks to be back in form.
When healthy, his route running separation, hands and YAC are very important to keeping our offense legit for the future.