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2013 - Week 11: Thoughts after rewatching the game

Originally posted by AMBITION:
Regarding your last comment, Kaepernick had nothing to do with how closely we played the Saints; It was our defense that kept us in the game. Kaepernick caught a huge break when the Saints DB coughed up the pick 6 which turned into a touchback. Therefore, I'm not even that mad about the penalty at the end which negated Brees' fumble; we were supposed to lose that game, anyway, because of awful Qb play.

Sure, Kaep caught a huge break when the DB coughed up the ball into the end zone for a touchback. But notice that it was Kaep who chased him down and tackled him. Many QB's don't do that or just go through the motions. Sometimes you make your own breaks. That play was one of the best he made all day.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
I appreciate your comment Marv and please keep up the good work.

IMO, Kap is slowly being ruined by this situation and he needs help.

I totally disagree w/many that heap it all on him. As you, Marvin, pointed out he does shoulder some of the responsibility.

We don't know what's going on behind the scenes BUT it's clear to me Kap needs a mentor to:

a). Help him w/the press. He looks frustrated and lost with them. Why put him through that? Not necessary at all.

b). Address his increasing hesitancy w/the ball. I think [I]m just guessing] it's in part to the horrendous play calling. Come on man - it is very bad.

c). I don't know how the plays are coming in. If JH is changing the plays Roman sends in or Roman changes them or Kap changes them but the result looks discombobulated. It seems it's down to the last second before a delay of game penalty is called. This can't be helping Kap at all.

d). He needs a much better QB coach than Morton. Clearly, he has regressed. He looked his old self on a few plays especially the over the shoulder pass to Boldin and the rocket to VD. Without a doubt something is missing and he needs someone other than we have on our staff to get him out of his funk.

I feel the majority of the situation falls on the coaching staff. The sky isn't falling but at this point we are most definitely not playing Championship caliber ball.

YES!!!!

We are losing because of COACHING, which has been putrid, and very well analyzed by BUCHY in other threads (seriously, people go read it)

Kaep has been playing awful, but it is upon the coaches to make him play better. Shorten the calls, shorten the shifts, cause no one is buying it anyways. With better coaching, Kaep will play better.

Which brings us to an interesting cross-roads---- Baalke brought Harbs and Co to us with dreams of WCO. We haven't done any of it. Was Baalke fooled or was he lying? I think it will be very interesting to see what Baalke does with the staff, either during the year or after. I think cleaning house in coaching is the answer, minus Harbaugh and Tomsula/Rathman. For all those that like Fangio, he's getting it done with pro bowl players on every level of defense. He does not inspire me in any way. I would much rather have a roving, formless, blitzing 3-4 of Dick LeBeau than anything Fangio has ever done.

We need better coaching and we need it now, which is really weird considering how smart people thought our coaching staff was when they arrived
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by AMBITION:
Regarding your last comment, Kaepernick had nothing to do with how closely we played the Saints; It was our defense that kept us in the game. Kaepernick caught a huge break when the Saints DB coughed up the pick 6 which turned into a touchback. Therefore, I'm not even that mad about the penalty at the end which negated Brees' fumble; we were supposed to lose that game, anyway, because of awful Qb play.

Sure, Kaep caught a huge break when the DB coughed up the ball into the end zone for a touchback. But notice that it was Kaep who chased him down and tackled him. Many QB's don't do that or just go through the motions. Sometimes you make your own breaks. That play was one of the best he made all day.

Kapexcuse #321 ?

dude did throw an int still...sh!t is sh!t no matter how much perfume you try to disguise it with lol
Nice write-up Marv.
Marvin,

Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.

Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.

Very few great QB's are stupid.
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,

Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.

Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.

Very few great QB's are stupid.

He's not stupid by any stretch.

The TO was probably because he didn't in that moment realize that 2 had been used on failed reviews. A mistake, no doubt...but one I can kinda give him a pass on. What I can't give a pass on is the guy who aligned incorrectly forcing the entire situation.

Running out of bounds? He was trying to make a play and to protect himself as has been preached to him...but it was a really, really bad decision. No excuse on that one. Poor decision that haunted them later.
Originally posted by ninerfreak:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by AMBITION:
Regarding your last comment, Kaepernick had nothing to do with how closely we played the Saints; It was our defense that kept us in the game. Kaepernick caught a huge break when the Saints DB coughed up the pick 6 which turned into a touchback. Therefore, I'm not even that mad about the penalty at the end which negated Brees' fumble; we were supposed to lose that game, anyway, because of awful Qb play.

Sure, Kaep caught a huge break when the DB coughed up the ball into the end zone for a touchback. But notice that it was Kaep who chased him down and tackled him. Many QB's don't do that or just go through the motions. Sometimes you make your own breaks. That play was one of the best he made all day.

Kapexcuse #321 ?

dude did throw an int still...sh!t is sh!t no matter how much perfume you try to disguise it with lol

Yeah, he threw 1 pic all day. So did Brees.

Not sure you know what the word "excuse" means.
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,

Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.

Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.

Very few great QB's are stupid.

I have no reference to call him smart or stupid, and really he's probably pretty smart, though probably not a genius.

However, his quick responses with the press, while at first I thought were smart, now seems to come from a man without layers to his thinking. I know most press questions are dumb, but to see Luck and Wilson expertly play the press, it shows that they have 'IT' when it comes to the brains department
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by ninerfreak:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by AMBITION:
Regarding your last comment, Kaepernick had nothing to do with how closely we played the Saints; It was our defense that kept us in the game. Kaepernick caught a huge break when the Saints DB coughed up the pick 6 which turned into a touchback. Therefore, I'm not even that mad about the penalty at the end which negated Brees' fumble; we were supposed to lose that game, anyway, because of awful Qb play.

Sure, Kaep caught a huge break when the DB coughed up the ball into the end zone for a touchback. But notice that it was Kaep who chased him down and tackled him. Many QB's don't do that or just go through the motions. Sometimes you make your own breaks. That play was one of the best he made all day.

Kapexcuse #321 ?

dude did throw an int still...sh!t is sh!t no matter how much perfume you try to disguise it with lol

Yeah, he threw 1 pic all day. So did Brees.

Not sure you know what the word "excuse" means.


"I do not think that word means what you think it means"

- Inigo Montoya
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,

Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.

Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.

Very few great QB's are stupid.

He's not stupid by any stretch.

The TO was probably because he didn't in that moment realize that 2 had been used on failed reviews. A mistake, no doubt...but one I can kinda give him a pass on. What I can't give a pass on is the guy who aligned incorrectly forcing the entire situation.

Running out of bounds? He was trying to make a play and to protect himself as has been preached to him...but it was a really, really bad decision. No excuse on that one. Poor decision that haunted them later.

He so frequently needs to call TO's, either someone should have reminded him, or he should have noted it himself that he had none left. I know it's a small point. I see him as tremendously gifted, but I don't see a lot of evidence of smart.
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,

Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.

Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.

Very few great QB's are stupid.

He's not stupid by any stretch.

The TO was probably because he didn't in that moment realize that 2 had been used on failed reviews. A mistake, no doubt...but one I can kinda give him a pass on. What I can't give a pass on is the guy who aligned incorrectly forcing the entire situation.

Running out of bounds? He was trying to make a play and to protect himself as has been preached to him...but it was a really, really bad decision. No excuse on that one. Poor decision that haunted them later.

He so frequently needs to call TO's, either someone should have reminded him, or he should have noted it himself that he had none left. I know it's a small point. I see him as tremendously gifted, but I don't see a lot of evidence of smart.


No worries.

It was a mistake. That's not in question...but I think he kinda got stuck.

The guy wouldn't line up correctly. He was yelling at him to move and the guy couldn't hear him. In frustration he called timeout...and then ralized they didn't have any.

It's a mistake, no question. I just kinda give him a pass because of the situation.
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,

Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.

Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.

Very few great QB's are stupid.

He's not stupid by any stretch.

The TO was probably because he didn't in that moment realize that 2 had been used on failed reviews. A mistake, no doubt...but one I can kinda give him a pass on. What I can't give a pass on is the guy who aligned incorrectly forcing the entire situation.

Running out of bounds? He was trying to make a play and to protect himself as has been preached to him...but it was a really, really bad decision. No excuse on that one. Poor decision that haunted them later.

He so frequently needs to call TO's, either someone should have reminded him, or he should have noted it himself that he had none left. I know it's a small point. I see him as tremendously gifted, but I don't see a lot of evidence of smart.
he has to know he has none left, thats his job. whether he used them, failed challenges cost us them or the D used all 3 of them. he has to know there is zero left. just feels so f**ked up that i knew sitting on my couch (without looking at the graphic on the screen) but yet he didnt.
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,

Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.

Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.

Very few great QB's are stupid.

I have no reference to call him smart or stupid, and really he's probably pretty smart, though probably not a genius.

However, his quick responses with the press, while at first I thought were smart, now seems to come from a man without layers to his thinking. I know most press questions are dumb, but to see Luck and Wilson expertly play the press, it shows that they have 'IT' when it comes to the brains department

I suspect that he is not as smart as those guys, although Frank doesn't answer questions well either, and he is football smart!
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Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,

Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.

Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.

Very few great QB's are stupid.

He's not stupid by any stretch.

The TO was probably because he didn't in that moment realize that 2 had been used on failed reviews. A mistake, no doubt...but one I can kinda give him a pass on. What I can't give a pass on is the guy who aligned incorrectly forcing the entire situation.

Running out of bounds? He was trying to make a play and to protect himself as has been preached to him...but it was a really, really bad decision. No excuse on that one. Poor decision that haunted them later.

He so frequently needs to call TO's, either someone should have reminded him, or he should have noted it himself that he had none left. I know it's a small point. I see him as tremendously gifted, but I don't see a lot of evidence of smart.
he has to know he has none left, thats his job. whether he used them, failed challenges cost us them or the D used all 3 of them. he has to know there is zero left. just feels so f**ked up that i knew sitting on my couch (without looking at the graphic on the screen) but yet he didnt.

I guess in his defense you could argue that he had lots to think about and was getting knocked around, while you were just lying on your couch, but in fact I totally agree, he shoulda but he didn't.
i still has a sad after losing