Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by ninerfan52:
Marvin, we run a 1960's offense 2 TE's 2 RB's and one receiver, tell me how that works today, it's so conservative!
worked fine with brady when they used hernandez and gronk.
Gronk is really a 250 lb WR in a WCO-based offense.
This. The Patriots never ran a one WR offense. With Gronk and Hernandez they were 2 WR, 2 TE, 1 RB. One of those TE's was always flexed out in the slot or on the outside. So even though it was 2 TE, it was still a spread offense with WCO principles.
I don't know why we're even comparing these two offenses. Our offense doesn't resemble NE's in any way. It's not just the personnel groupings, it's where they are put on the field and how they are used. NE also used the FB very sparingly, often not even carrying one on the roster. They just used a backup TE when one was needed.
I was going to post the same thing but you beat me to it.
Marvin, I enjoy your posts but I think you need to look a lot harder at the offensive scheme we are playing. I agree Kap is struggling, but those (and not you) who keep going on about read progression need to understand we're not running a passing game with an real or significant route trees. There really is no read progression beyond first read and sometimes a second.
1) Pass to Baldwin that he dropped in the endzone and should have been a TD: there was only one place it was going.
2) Back Shoulder throw to Boldin for the TD - same, only one way it was going.
3) TD pass to Vernon, again a designed one receiver (AR) play
4) Deep pass to Baldwin on the sideline that he didn't realise he was getting, same again. I think Baldwin mis-timed this or lost the ball in the lights as suggested.
Kap at this stage is basically being coached and instructed to throw to one designated receiver if the WR is open, or on some cases like the passes to Baldwin to let him go up and try to make a play. If the play breaks down he's being instructed to scramble and try and find someone open.
When the O line fails to provide sufficient pass protection, there's nothing for Kap to do. There is no outlet ball for him on most plays, though Miller seems to be getting this designation on the few where there are, but he's not exactly a threat with ball in hand.
I already know that.
Thats what I meant previously about how the scheme really insulated Kap last year. They were able to get defined looks for him and most often his first read was wide open to him. When people slam Roman, I don't think they are realizing just how WELL that scheme was working at the end of last year. When Crab or Vernon were the AR as you call it...it was working pretty damned well.
That isn't happening anymore.
I know what you are saying about not being a classic read progression and the play is much more based on everyone working in concert to get 1 or 2 guys open. It ain't working as well this year and one of the big reasons is that the personnel they are playing out there can't do what last years personnel could do. Randy Moss is a hell of a decoy. So was Delanie Walker. Those guys were able to create space just with their presence. That makes scheming 1 or 2 guys open much easier. Crabtree was able to separate with his route running. He isn't a burner, but he's Usain Bolt compared to Boldin.
Still tho...both Roman and Kap need to adapt when it ain't working.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Nov 19, 2013 at 8:09 AM ]