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Can Someone Explain How It Wasn't a Penalty?

I guarantee you, had that hit been on Kap, Niner fans would've been screaming for a flag. Understand Brooks' frustration, but like it or not, that's how the NFL officiates these days. Brees isn't a tall QB and if you look at the frozen shots of the hit, his legs were spread apart, so his height at that moment was well under 6 ft. Had the hit been a few inches lower, the play likely doesn't get reviewed and it's our ball. Easier said than done, I understand, it's hard to adjust your hit that way. Still, agree, it was the right call, frustrating as it was.
Originally posted by NCommand:
This is simple physics...Brooks also lets go at this exact moment as he catches his balance. Brees turns INTO Brooks initially and the contact is so hard Brees instantly is flying to the ground up into Brooks arms. He's not holding or ripping his facemask here (he's riding him to the ground while trying to maintain his upright balance). If you watch the whole play you clearly see Brooks let go as quickly as he hits him to ensure he doesn't get a foul.

Still a hit to the head though right? Even if not on purpose?
was not worthy of a penalty
bet he doesn't get fined. thus justifying the wrong call. Then again, the nfl might just fine him to prove there is nothing wrong with officiating since this is getting some media attention.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by NCommand:
This is simple physics...Brooks also lets go at this exact moment as he catches his balance. Brees turns INTO Brooks initially and the contact is so hard Brees instantly is flying to the ground up into Brooks arms. He's not holding or ripping his facemask here (he's riding him to the ground while trying to maintain his upright balance). If you watch the whole play you clearly see Brooks let go as quickly as he hits him to ensure he doesn't get a foul.

Still a hit to the head though right? Even if not on purpose?

Where is this hit to the head? The HIT was to the upper chest, shoulder area. Brooks never lowered his head and he certainly didn't wrap up around his neck and bring him down that way. Is a helmet touching an arm on the way to the ground AS Brooks is trying to stay upright? Yes, on every play there is in this scenario...but Brooks clearly is not grabbing the face mask, ripping his arm up to take his head/helmet off, etc. Again, watch the entire play and you'll see it was Brooks legal hit that knocked him to the ground and the ball out and he is doing nothing but riding with him to the ground (to ensure the tackle) while trying to keep his upright balance (from not falling). Most players would not even ride him to the ground but pounce on top of him and drive him into the turf.
[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 18, 2013 at 8:50 AM ]
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Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I guarantee you, had that hit been on Kap, Niner fans would've been screaming for a flag. Understand Brooks' frustration, but like it or not, that's how the NFL officiates these days. Brees isn't a tall QB and if you look at the frozen shots of the hit, his legs were spread apart, so his height at that moment was well under 6 ft. Had the hit been a few inches lower, the play likely doesn't get reviewed and it's our ball. Easier said than done, I understand, it's hard to adjust your hit that way. Still, agree, it was the right call, frustrating as it was.

Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I guarantee you, had that hit been on Kap, Niner fans would've been screaming for a flag. Understand Brooks' frustration, but like it or not, that's how the NFL officiates these days. Brees isn't a tall QB and if you look at the frozen shots of the hit, his legs were spread apart, so his height at that moment was well under 6 ft. Had the hit been a few inches lower, the play likely doesn't get reviewed and it's our ball. Easier said than done, I understand, it's hard to adjust your hit that way. Still, agree, it was the right call, frustrating as it was.


pwned. I've seen malicious intent on CK this year...defenders literally, ripping his entire helmet backwards while on the ground, arching his back...never called.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Where is this hit to the head? The HIT was to the upper chest, shoulder area. Brooks never lowered his head and he certainly didn't wrap up around his neck and bring him down that way. Is a helmet touching an arm on the way to the ground AS Brooks is trying to stay upright? Yes, on every play there is in this scenario...but Brooks clearly is not grabbing the face mask, ripping his arm up to take his head/helmet off, etc. Again, watch the entire play and you'll see it was Brooks legal hit that knocked him to the ground and the ball out and he is doing nothing but riding with him to the ground (to ensure the tackle) while trying to keep his upright balance (from not falling). Most players would not even ride him to the ground but pounce on top of him and drive him into the turf.




What's he have a hold of pics 2-4? It's not the shoulder pads, it's the helmet.
[ Edited by JiksJuicy on Nov 18, 2013 at 9:06 AM ]
It's up to Brooks to wrap his arm around Brees shoulder, make the hit, and keep Brees up right, can't drove him to the ground -- to protect the qb. When Brooks can do that, he will get the qb sack and the turnover.

Brooks should've just bear hug Brees until the rep blew the whistle for in the grasp sack....


This is f**king ridiculous. And yes Brooks will get fine for the hit and the complaint about the ref in the media.

Originally posted by NCommand:
pwned. I've seen malicious intent on CK this year...defenders literally, ripping his entire helmet backwards while on the ground, arching his back...never called.

Can someone send this pic to espn or another sports show?
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

What's he have a hold of pics 2-4? It's not the shoulder pads, it's the helmet.

Brees slipping under Brooks' arm tackle. At no point his right hand was ever on Brees helmet. It was on Brees' should until Brooks let go of Brees.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Nov 18, 2013 at 9:10 AM ]
SUre. The same way grabbing a fist full of Baldwin or VD's jersey isn't a PI. Or facemasking a DB to break up an interception isn't offensive PI.
Originally posted by jeepzilla:
Originally posted by NCommand:
pwned. I've seen malicious intent on CK this year...defenders literally, ripping his entire helmet backwards while on the ground, arching his back...never called.

Can someone send this pic to espn or another sports show?

No need to, even they are calling it a "horrible call."

But, welcome to NT.
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His body went one way, his head and neck the other. Doesn't that in itself prove that he didn't hit him in the head or the neck?
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Where is this hit to the head? The HIT was to the upper chest, shoulder area. Brooks never lowered his head and he certainly didn't wrap up around his neck and bring him down that way. Is a helmet touching an arm on the way to the ground AS Brooks is trying to stay upright? Yes, on every play there is in this scenario...but Brooks clearly is not grabbing the face mask, ripping his arm up to take his head/helmet off, etc. Again, watch the entire play and you'll see it was Brooks legal hit that knocked him to the ground and the ball out and he is doing nothing but riding with him to the ground (to ensure the tackle) while trying to keep his upright balance (from not falling). Most players would not even ride him to the ground but pounce on top of him and drive him into the turf.




What's he have a hold of pics 2-4? It's not the shoulder pads, it's the helmet.

Solid visual evidence there lol. You can't see where his arm is in those pics.
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