Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by KB94605NINERS:
The NFL should make the QB's wear florescent pink from the collarbone down to the knees. The pink zone will let the defense will know where they can hit the QB.
Actually not a horrible idea lol. Maybe not pink but some florescent color. Then make it reviewable. If hands or hit is in the area call a foul and review it.
Sucks it's come to this, but it is what it is.
Totally...this topic spun off big time today; lots of input but I personally like Eric's take here. The whole point of the rule is to protect a vulnerable (and marketable $) player. This is the same as a defenseless receiver. A QB's eyes are down field while bodies are flying around. But this is the part that needs to be taken into account and that currently, is not (for the big 4):
Eric Allen also went on to say (to paraphrase) the offensive player needs to be taken into account on these judegment calls (if the QB or RB ducks his head, turns his body, etc.) THAT needs to be written into the rule book. He went on to say as long as the defender is targeting the stike zone and is not LAUNCHING himself into the player (a malicious act with the intent to injure) the defensive player should be given the benefit of the doubt here esp. in the case where no helmet-hitting was involved. And there is no doubt Brooks was aiming for (and hit) the strike zone initially and had zero intent to injury.
....you want to see launching of the helmet with the intent to injure? Go rewatch the Superbowl, 2nd to last play, where their DB launched the crown of his helmet up into the face mask of Crabtree, giving him a mild concussion. We all know what happened after that...
He goes onto say that he coached high school, youth football programs (think about this for a second) and in his words, "That was a perfect tackle. We talk about the head behind the bow with the arm in front so that there is no crown-to-facemask tackle. As you notice, his arm was in front. It was a perfect arm tackle. If you're going to penalize him for that, we're in a world of trouble!"
This whole sequence had me thinking... If the NFL really does want to protect players, especially QB's, why not make the QB's wear some sort of uniform that indicates where it's okay to hit them? I did this below quickly on photoshop(obviously it would look much cleaner), but I think it would protect the QB in area's needed and also let the defender have an idea of where it's okay to hit and grab. It doesn't have to be yellow or anything significant, but just something recognizable.
Make "illegal contact to the qb" or something reviewable. Any "forceful" contact to the area will be a (insert number here) yard penalty. Again, I think it would keep the QB's safe and also help defenders be more instinctually aware and also help them adapt to no longer hitting these areas.
And sure it may take away some of the game, but unfortunately these players have to be protected. A lot of people want to blame the NFL and the refs, but their hands are pretty much tied with all the law suits.
I don't know, maybe there are holes in this idea, but just started thinking about it.
it's a great idea..but if the QB stays still and stands straight up.
most QBs duck and move which makes it more difficult for the defender
Agreed. Even the "neck area" really comes down in the target area (the chest/shoulder). I loved Allen's idea of the refs having to consider what the offensive player did in conjunction with the defenders play. Did Brees turn into Brooks, duck his head, where was the initial contact, was that legal, did Brooks wrap-up arms do anything, what happened AFTER the initial contact (one player fell, one tried to stay up), etc. Could the defender made an additional move, drop down and hit him lower while still forcing the sack and fumble within the context of the play? Essentially, take the entire play into account as well as the state of the game (significance of the play/timing) before making the call; otherwise, allow instant replay to review critical calls at critical junctures of the game. There are only 16 games in the NFL...this isn't baseball here.
I have still yet to see proof he "hit him in the head." If he had tied his right arm to his back the play would still have ended exactly the same way...chest tackle-to-shoulder blowing up Brees, whip lash and ball flying loose. The difference is, Brooks would most likely have fallen ON top of Brees while he was folded on the ground in 1/2.
Here is the deal: If Brooks had hit Brees in the head OR tackled him by the neck, you would NOT see his head whiplash like it did. He was basically sitting in a car accident with his seat belt on.
[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 18, 2013 at 3:46 PM ]