Originally posted by NCommand:yep I agree,your are on point,The porblems are with COACHING...this Smell Likes the crap that Nowin and Singleminded were Spreading not long ago.
Originally posted by SDDAVE:
I would bet that most DC's spend about a day on planning how to defend us if they are honest and see what we see. They see a team that does
not stretch the field vertically or horizontally. With no WR speed to account for excepting Vernon who can be doubled, the length of the field is greatly shortened. With no safety valve or outlet passes for the QB to go to, no screens, flare passes, slants, and speedy, elusive running backs being called to run up the gut most of the time, the defense does not have to cover the field horizontally. The outside LB's have nothing to do. Talk about creating a small box for the defense to have to cover! As a consequence, the OL is assaulted by seven or eight pass rushers, creating incredible mismatches and quick, severe pressure on CK. With his outside running lanes contained, he has nowhere to go with the ball and looks horrible. We are not even close to looking like a WCO. It's serial fraud to state that we are. It's as believable as Obama telling us we can keep our policies if we like them. LOL
Bill Walsh's whole plan was to make the defense cover the entire field and I mean all of it. Let's take 1989 as an example when the Niners went to the Super Bowl. Yes we had Jerry Rice and John Taylor at WR and use them to illustrate I am not taking the easy way out. And we had a superb TE in Brent Jones. But what made the offense was the way we got the ball to the RB's to make plays and force the defense to cover the entire field. With Tom Rathman and Roger Craig together in the same backfield, they accounted for 122 pass receptions for 1,089 yards and 1,359 yards rushing. So the defense literally had to cover the whole field. Often times the LB's were confused in coverage creating big plays. The pressure put on the defense probably made the OL look better than they were, since a majority of the defenders were assigned coverage responsibilities. The scheme was magnificent.
Which brings me to the negative news that today we have 4 potential receivers in our offense who are being completely wasted. Their names are Gore, Hunter, James and Dixon, guys who know how to really run in space. Between them they have 13 catches for 133 yards which extrapolates to a season totals of 24 catches for 240 yards. Compare to Craig and Rathman above. And that is how you move the chains. So there are only two reasons why this is happening - Roman is really out of his element as an OC, or more frightening is the hearsay that CK is not really comfortable throwing the short passes required in the WCO. If this is the case we are in deep doo-doo, with no hope in sight. The Chiefs to not look like the toast of the NFL offensively, but they are running the WCO the way it is supposed to be run - moving the chains, eating up clock, resting the defense.
You, clearly, are a smart fan who gets it! Nice post (although this one could probably go under the Roman thread).
I understand the easy cop out is to blame our piss poor passing attack (esp. when it matters) on injuries that happened last year/off season but give me a break, it's not like we didn't have PLENTY of time to prepare and counter with competent game planning and receiver development. Even w/o Crabtree and Manningham out for the majority of the year, NOBODY is going to convince me we still don't have x10 the talent other teams currently have (and are getting x5 more production out of compared to us). THAT is 100% on the coaches. Period. All this blame on CK? Laughable IMHO. I'd love to hear someone convince me that we don't have ENOUGH talent with players such as: Gore, Hunter, James, Miller, McDonald, VD, Boldin, Baldwin, Patton, hell even Moore (brought in to stretch the field) and Williams (best ideal in the slot) plus we had others developing like Marqueis Gray and Chris Harper in to develop as H-backs, Harbaugh's favorite FB of all time, etc. That is a TON of receiving talent that could be used to compliment the already-effective Gore/Hunter run-game.
At bare mimimum, we essentially have the best FB and TE in the game, one of the very best WR's in Boldin...coupled with a #1 rushing attack. The excuses are running out people. Again, why do we need a "full aresenal" with 3 Calvin Johnson's, 2 Jimmy Graham's and a Darren Sproles before we can be a dominate passing offense that compliments our top rushing attack and defense?
Originally posted by Wisconsin49erfan:
In my opinion, the frustrating thing about a topic like this is that it lacks perspective. Here are some facts:
1) Carolina is an elite defense. Right now, at this moment, their defense might be even better than ours. They shut down our offense, yes. They have also shut down a @$#%^load of other offense this year. It's what they do.
2) Our offense also got shut down in Seattle. Right now, at this moment, Seattle's defense might be even better than ours. They shut down our offense, yes. They have also shut down a @$#%^load of other offense this year. It's what they do.
3) Against the weaker teams, we did not need to pass as much, so we didn't. This lead to lower statistical passing numbers.
4) Our biggest passing struggles have come when Vernon Davis is out of the game. Which also happen to be at the same time when Michael Crabtree is out of the game as he has been all year. Also, #3 WR Mario Manningham is still gimpy. (I wonder how good Drew Brees would do today if Jimmy Graham, Marcus Colston and Lance Moore all had to leave the game because of injuries.)
5) Our offensive line is really struggling in pass protection.
6) Kaepernick is still a VERY young QB, and still adjusting to the pro game.
7) We have scored the 10th most points in the league. That's right, despite all of the above obstacles, we have still scored the 10th most points.
More or less, those are the facts. Our offense is not terrible, or laughable. Why? Because 2/3 of the league scores LESS. The problem I have with this type of topic is that it is hyperbole. It's over-stated.
Yes, our offense has struggled. We have, perhaps, the best running attack in the league, however, when Vernon Davis is out we really struggle passing the ball. But why is this surprising? Why is this generating so much reaction? Why is Kaepernick getting so much attention? It's not like Alex Smith was ever able to light it up. I seem to recall a couple of godawful offensive performances, such as at Baltimore on Thanksgiving 2011 and against the New York Giants 2012. Those were Alex Smith led offenses (off the top of my head, I don't think we scored a TD in either of those games.)
I suggest the reason this is causing such enormous reaction is because of the enormous success that Kaepernick, Greg Roman, and Harbaugh achieved in the passing game at the end of last year. Because of that success, everybody saw the raw talent that Kaepernick possessed. Because of that success, everybody got to see the creative genius of Greg Roman on full display when everything is working right. Big plays in the passing game. Runs that gashed the defense. The expectations were that we would be a top 5 offense in the NFL.
However, when we struggle to put up points, it is contrary to the above expectations. And it is frustrating. But don't "bite the hand that feeds you"! Alex Smith is not better than Colin Kaepernick. Colin Kaepernick can still develop into a top 5 QB, and he will. There may be good offensive coordinators out there, but keep in mind that Greg Roman is a very bright and very talented offensive coordinator. He has proven as much in the past. Yes, Kaepernick must take some of the blame here. He needs to be more decisive and spread the ball around more. Yes, the lack of receiving options is part of the blame here. Yes, the poor pass protection is some of the blame here. Yes, the play calls have been part of the blame here. Yes, we need to show some improvement if we are to make a legitimate Super Bowl run this year.
But our offense isn't LAUGHABLE.
Greg Romlan is a VERY Stubborn OC
Originally posted by cciowa:X2
Originally posted by hofer36:
yet some on the board continue to maintain that the niners offense strikes fear in opposing defenses
so many keep saying" if roman gets his head out of his ass" we will be unstoppable. when do we stop saying that because his head is stuck up his ass against good teams and JH lets him go. if we are not careful we will find ourselves on the outside looking in come playoff time still saying,,," well if roman gets his s**t together we will be unstoppable"