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Jon Baldwin - Another Guy Getting The Blame

  • buck
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Thanks Mr.Mcgibblets!

BTW: Does anyone know why Manningham was limited in practice this week...an article noted he was "hobbled." Seriously?


Sore knee and that might be very bad news.
Originally posted by Chico:
Excellent point and i'm glad you brought this up.

We MUST stop making excuses about our WR's not having the ability. These guys were studs coming out of college and not all of them can be failures. Remember the good old days when Bill Walsh was coach it seemed like every receiver that caught a ball had 10 yards around them with no tacklers around. We're just not calling the right plays at the right time and this falls on our OC & HC!

Get it fixed!
This is one of the most truthful statements these are professional athletes, the way some talk about theses guys is crazy usually its those who havent played the game. Good coaches get the most from our players at some point we have to look in the mirror and think maybe its more too it than just recievers "not getting open" its about making adjustments and playing to the strength of our personnel.
Originally posted by SF9er05:
Originally posted by Chico:
Excellent point and i'm glad you brought this up.

We MUST stop making excuses about our WR's not having the ability. These guys were studs coming out of college and not all of them can be failures. Remember the good old days when Bill Walsh was coach it seemed like every receiver that caught a ball had 10 yards around them with no tacklers around. We're just not calling the right plays at the right time and this falls on our OC & HC!

Get it fixed!
This is one of the most truthful statements these are professional athletes, the way some talk about theses guys is crazy usually its those who havent played the game. Good coaches get the most from our players at some point we have to look in the mirror and think maybe its more too it than just recievers "not getting open" its about making adjustments and playing to the strength of our personnel.

Yup the blame for our passing failures falls way more on the coaches and the quarterback then it does the receivers. It's funny that some people still seem to think that it's simply because the receivers can't get open.
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Originally posted by SF9er05:
Originally posted by Chico:
Excellent point and i'm glad you brought this up.

We MUST stop making excuses about our WR's not having the ability. These guys were studs coming out of college and not all of them can be failures. Remember the good old days when Bill Walsh was coach it seemed like every receiver that caught a ball had 10 yards around them with no tacklers around. We're just not calling the right plays at the right time and this falls on our OC & HC!

Get it fixed!
This is one of the most truthful statements these are professional athletes, the way some talk about theses guys is crazy usually its those who havent played the game. Good coaches get the most from our players at some point we have to look in the mirror and think maybe its more too it than just recievers "not getting open" its about making adjustments and playing to the strength of our personnel.

Yup the blame for our passing failures falls way more on the coaches and the quarterback then it does the receivers. It's funny that some people still seem to think that it's simply because the receivers can't get open.
Our only hope is for Harbaugh to limit Roman's screw ups and pray some team comes knocking to hire him as a HC, i guess thats wishful thinking
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Thanks Mr.Mcgibblets!

BTW: Does anyone know why Manningham was limited in practice this week...an article noted he was "hobbled." Seriously?

Sore knee and that might be very bad news.

That is what I was afraid of. Not jumping to conclusions but how crappy would that be...3 passes thrown his way (which is huge in our offense BTW) and his knee is already having a set back. Hopefully it's just precaution but you're right, why bring him back if he isn't ready to full-go and be in position to practice and play 100%?
  • buck
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Originally posted by NCommand:
That is what I was afraid of. Not jumping to conclusions but how crappy would that be...3 passes thrown his way (which is huge in our offense BTW) and his knee is already having a set back. Hopefully it's just precaution but you're right, why bring him back if he isn't ready to full-go and be in position to practice and play 100%?

I am not sure if the knee is an flare up of the injured knee or a different injury, but it is a concern.

It might not even be the same knee. It could be the same knee and not related to his prior injury.

I am not a doctor and I have not read very much.

I just do not have enough information to determine that he should not have been brought back.

I have not found very much.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/11/17/5113054/49ers-injury-report-michael-crabtree-vernon-davis-concussion-eric-reid-ray-mcdonald
[ Edited by buck on Nov 17, 2013 at 7:47 AM ]
Can't lay this one at the feet of Baldwin, but I can understand whyu Kaep doesn't have total trust in him.

The fact that he didn't know a ball was thrown in his direction during a crucial drive against the Saints is inexcusable. You're an NFL receiver. You play like you're getting the ball on every single pass play. If you can't go into each passing play with that kind of a mindset? It's time to play a different wide receiver.
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Originally posted by billbird2111:
Can't lay this one at the feet of Baldwin, but I can understand whyu Kaep doesn't have total trust in him.

The fact that he didn't know a ball was thrown in his direction during a crucial drive against the Saints is inexcusable. You're an NFL receiver. You play like you're getting the ball on every single pass play. If you can't go into each passing play with that kind of a mindset? It's time to play a different wide receiver.

what are you even talking about? Are you saying Baldwin was running lazy routes or are you referring to the 1 play that we called 40 yard bomb facing 3rd and 10? Kaepernick let that ball way to early because of pressure and it went out of bounds anyway. Had Baldwin turned around high pointed the ball he would've just been pushed out of bounds or gone out on his own power.

He's been on this team for 3 months now if Kaepernick doesn't have chemistry with him then it is both the fault of the QB and WR and the play calling not allowing Kaepernick to get into a rthym with any of his WRs.
The ball bounces 3 feet in front of him had he kept running it would have been a perfect jump ball situation for Baldwin.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Just read the ESPN piece from Bill Williamson.

Seriously, I don't think is the kid's fault, you can't just say he has not taken advantage of his chance given by the 9ers.

Right now, he's had 3 receptions out of 6 targets for 28 yards in 5 games. Even if he was crap, at least he had 20 receptions out of 47 targets for 325 yards in 15 games when he was with the Chiefs.

Once again, it just goes to show the 9ers just don't utilize their secondary receivers. You just don't stand a chance if your name is not Anquan Boldin or Vernon Davis.

If Kap is having problems in finding open receivers, then Baldwin can surely help out a little to say the least when the teams key in on Anquan and Vernon.

I so agree with this.

Rascal, it's not just Baldwin. We have the same philosophy when it comes to LMJ and Hunter. We only use them as traditional, off-tackle runners. If you don't fit within a particular mold on this offense, you're either sent to Special Teams or a healthy inactive.

THIS!!! I've been saying this for weeks...unless your name is Davis or Boldin...your ass won't get the ball.....so defenses know where to target...they know the no namers won't get a shot...

pathetic and predictable....this offense is like playing inside a living room that's how much space they play in...can't stretch the field so they can't get the mid range passes in....
  • Garcia
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Jon Baldwin is a f**king bust turd burglar and doesn't deserve his own thread.
at this point... Crabtree should just rest the year..no point on risking more injury if it's not going to help...not like he's a speedy receiving threat...
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Can't lay this one at the feet of Baldwin, but I can understand whyu Kaep doesn't have total trust in him.

The fact that he didn't know a ball was thrown in his direction during a crucial drive against the Saints is inexcusable. You're an NFL receiver. You play like you're getting the ball on every single pass play. If you can't go into each passing play with that kind of a mindset? It's time to play a different wide receiver.

what are you even talking about? Are you saying Baldwin was running lazy routes or are you referring to the 1 play that we called 40 yard bomb facing 3rd and 10? Kaepernick let that ball way to early because of pressure and it went out of bounds anyway. Had Baldwin turned around high pointed the ball he would've just been pushed out of bounds or gone out on his own power.

He's been on this team for 3 months now if Kaepernick doesn't have chemistry with him then it is both the fault of the QB and WR and the play calling not allowing Kaepernick to get into a rthym with any of his WRs.
He did turn around and never saw the ball. Why? Because it was thrown to early and had more hang time than a punt. Down right s**tty throw. Still Baldwin should have caught the ball earlier in the game but didn't maintain control.
Well, Baldwin got his opportunity and blew it. Didn't get separation all game long. The one time he could have made a play he failed to make the catch. He sucks, always has sucked, always will suck, and I never want to hear anyone complain about how he doesn't get opportunities. He doesn't earn them.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Well, Baldwin got his opportunity and blew it. Didn't get separation all game long. The one time he could have made a play he failed to make the catch. He sucks, always has sucked, always will suck, and I never want to hear anyone complain about how he doesn't get opportunities. He doesn't earn them.

Someone wants to explain why Kaep keeps getting opportunities ?

Kaepernick 17/31 127 yards 4.1 per play