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Wow, Crabtree's not THAT important...is he?

It's not just Crabtree....no Walker...No Moss to occupy a safety over the top...and Davis has been in and out of the line up....
Originally posted by Hitman49:
It's not just Crabtree....no Walker...No Moss to occupy a safety over the top...and Davis has been in and out of the line up....


Excellent point. Once you add up all the missing bodies, it just goes to show we just haven't been able to replace them. Delanie was a huge loss.
Crabtree coming back will certainly help. He is a legitimate #1 receiver. But I agree with a lot of the posts about Kaep. He is either a one read and panic QB or the plays only call for one WR to actually run a route. Crabtree coming back won't help that situation - if he's the first read and he's covered, we're screwed. I would have thought that Crabtree's absence would have forced the staff to diversify the play calls but that hasn't happened. I also thought Kaep would take a step forward this year but that hasn't happened. Basically, nothing's happening.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
That also doesn't tell the whole story though. Some of the wild shots thrown to KW have been barely catchable at best. Again, not saying KW is all that and a bag o chips. Just saying...


True. All I am saying is we need spread the ball so other receivers such as Baldwin will have a chance to improve and be a factor whereby teams can't just key in on Anquan and Vernon and shut down our passing game so easily.

Agreed. people talk about how much our WR corps sucks... but how many targets do they (not named Boldin) even get per game? Can't be many. I would like to see Kaep let some go, instead of hesitating and taking his eyes down to search for a pocket escape.
I personally felt that making the playoffs would be tough without Crabtree. Him and Kaep had a real connection going on last year. It's pretty clear that Crabtree is VERY important to this offense.
Originally posted by Psinex:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Through 9 games;

Gore - 10 receptions
Hunter - 2 "
McDonald - 6 "

Frank has been effective his whole career coming out of the backfield. Hunter's speed can be utilized on screen passes and McDonald is the biggest target the 49ers have. The numbers suggest it's the coaching most at fault. If the coaching staff can get the ball to these three the offense will become more diverse and productive.

Wow, 10 receptions for Gore. That's pathetic.

I can't blame the coaching staff when you literally see Gore open on almost every other play. Kaepernick either ignores his underneath routes or can't see them. Probably a combination of the two. He never seems to take what defenses give him. He's going through the "can't see open receiver, hold onto the ball until I get sacked" stage that he may or may not evolve from. Personally, I saw this from the very beginning and was never fully on board with Kaepernick. I saw him doing the same crap from the first Green Bay game. Ignoring his receivers open underneath. I've never seen Gore so frustrated, waving his arms in the air. Kaepernick is greedy and extremely selective instead of spreading the ball around. When he finally does pass it to someone other than his go-to receiver, it is a sub-standard pass.
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Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
That also doesn't tell the whole story though. Some of the wild shots thrown to KW have been barely catchable at best. Again, not saying KW is all that and a bag o chips. Just saying...


True. All I am saying is we need spread the ball so other receivers such as Baldwin will have a chance to improve and be a factor whereby teams can't just key in on Anquan and Vernon and shut down our passing game so easily.

Agreed. people talk about how much our WR corps sucks... but how many targets do they (not named Boldin) even get per game? Can't be many. I would like to see Kaep let some go, instead of hesitating and taking his eyes down to search for a pocket escape.


That would be 1 target or less per game. Before Moore got cut, he had 4 targets in 6 games and Baldwin so far has had 6 targets in 5 games. Comparing to Anquan ? 67 targets in 9 games. Unbelievable. LOL.
Originally posted by 49FanMan:
Our play action formations are the worst ever. They full no one.

Well in fairness, they're not suppose to eat it..

Originally posted by Rascal:
That depends on who is your QB, if is Kap then yes. The guy can only lock on to 1 or at most 2 guys.

I have said this before, if you are a secondary receiver with the 49ers, you have next to no future here.

Unless you are VD, Delanie Walker or Manningham. (See what I did there)
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Losing Crabtree was a big deal. The chemistry between him and Kap last year was undeniable, and Crabtree possesses some unique skill. Think of all the plays they made. That's a lot of missing production. Just look at Tom Brady's numbers this year before he got Gronk back. They were the worst of his career.

Crabtree makes it happen. Straight up. The guy has fantastic route running skills and great hands. Kap clearly trusts Crabs far more than any other receiver, including VD and Boldin. He's also clutch on 3rd downs and is a beast in the YAC department.

Losing him is probably a bigger deal than most people think. Last year, everyone knew Kap was going to Crabs and they still couldn't do anything about it. This year, everyone knows he's looking for Boldin or VD and they're able to shut it down. I think this says a lot about Crabtree's ability to get open.

If Crabs comes back at 100%, the passing game will pick up. If not we're screwed unless Roman changes the gameplan when it comes to throwing. We'll need to spread things out and use more than 2 WRs to get people open. Our passing game is vanilla as can be.
Its not just Crabtree.

Its also Delanie Walker.

Delaine posed a deep threat that McDonald can't duplicate. Down the road McDonald might develop into a very good TE, but he doesn't have the speed to challenge the way Walker did.

Kap was 19 of 35 on passes that traveled in the air more than 20 yards. That was the highest comp % in the NFL.

It isn't a coincidense that Walker caught 7 of those passes to lead the team and Crab was second with 4.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Nov 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM ]
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Its not just Crabtree.

Its also Delanie Walker.

Delaine posed a deep threat that McDonald can't duplicate. Down the road McDonald might develop into a very good TE, but he doesn't have the speed to challenge the way Walker did.

Kap was 19 of 35 on passes that traveled in the air more than 20 yards. That was the highest comp % in the NFL.

It isn't a coincidense that Walker caught 7 of those passes to lead the team and Crab was second with 4.

Average receiving yards was 11 for 2012... it was 5 for 2011. I believe that includes YAC, but I could be mistaken.

http://www.kffl.com/player/14011/nfl/statistics?mode=weekbyweek&year=2011&zzz=1
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9761/delanie-walker

based on this I believe the 11 for 2012 was the average distance of catch not including yac.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Its not just Crabtree.

Its also Delanie Walker.

Delaine posed a deep threat that McDonald can't duplicate. Down the road McDonald might develop into a very good TE, but he doesn't have the speed to challenge the way Walker did.

Kap was 19 of 35 on passes that traveled in the air more than 20 yards. That was the highest comp % in the NFL.

It isn't a coincidense that Walker caught 7 of those passes to lead the team and Crab was second with 4.

You have to stop posting things that make sense, this only confounds them and goes against their wanting to blame him at any and all costs.
Kap is not a 1 read QB. Come on guys, he's not that dense. His problem is that he takes too long to move off a read when it is not open. Please allow me to explain the difference between a 1 read QB and a QB that is unable to quickly identify when a read is not open.

A one read QB will look to his pre-determined read once the ball is snapped. This read was determined pre-snap once the defense declared its alignment. If that read is not available, a one read QB will tuck/run, get sacked, or go immediately to his safety valve, if one is available. This is the thought process of a 1 read QB:
1. dropback
2. I was fooled by the defensive disguise, pre snap read is not open
3. Now what?
a. get sacked
b. run
c. throw it away
d. throw it to the safety valve

I do not consider the safety valve a read, as a QB doesn't have to read anything when throwing to his safety valve. He just throws it there when he decides that nothing is open.

This is the mindset of a non 1 read QB:
1. dropback
2. I was fooled by the defensive disguise, pre snap read is not open
3. Analyze defense
4. Now what?
a. move to second read
b. buy time by shuffling around pocket, move to second read
5. Second read not open, now what?
a. onto the 3rd read
b. saftey valve

The problem Kap has is moving from step 2 to step 3. He takes too long to determine that a read is not open. This is due to being unable to instinctively read a defense in 2 seconds. He is fooled by tricky coverage disguises. These are young QB deficiencies. Kap needs more game time reps, not film study, not practices at walk through speed, not hand holding by the coaches with play design that calls for AR (anointed receiver) plays. It's trial by fire with the coaches having to balance QB development with winning a football game.

Here is what may go through the mind of an elite QB:
1. dropback
2. I was fooled by the defensive disguise, pre snap read is not open
3. It's man coverage on the outside, zone underneath. (defense has been analyzed)
4. Throw to the route (route combination) that beats man coverage.

There is a seamless transition from step 2 to step 3 in the mind of Brees and Rodgers. There is a lag time in the mind of Kap and other unpolished, inexperienced QBs.

To take this back to Crabs, I severely underestimated how important Crabs loss was. I thought Kap could have the same success throwing to less talented WRs. Completely wrong. What was happening in 2012 was that Crabs was used as a crutch. Crabs is a damn good WR and could beat man coverage with consistency. This made locking on to Crabs not so bad of a play. Also, in 2012 the defenses were scared to death of Kap running so they were very disciplined in their rush lanes. This made it easy on the Oline to give Kap time.

As mentioned by many posters, the presence of Moss/DWalker opened up a lot of space due to their speed, and in Moss' case, reputation. That allowed Kap to lock onto Crabs and he never really developed the quick thinking he needs in order to be an analytical QB. When Kap has time, he can progress through his reads. When he doesn't have time, he isn't quick enough to get to his secondary reads in a timely manner.
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