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No need to panic: 49ers will be fine

Originally posted by Hopper:
Culliver wasn't a starter which is why I didn't include him and Crabs injury was months before the season.

He might as well have been, he played almost 800 total snaps last season.
Originally posted by SaksV:
It all starts up front.
Goodwin has played sub-par 6 out of the 9 games we've played. Iupati has played sub-par to garbage all season. He's been pretty banged up though...
Boone is having a very solid season and Staley is alright as well. Anthony Davis was shaky to begin the season but he's settled back into form...
Without the interior being solid in pass protection, Kaep is going to continue to struggle to have time to progress through his reads... It won't matter if Crab comes back 100% or not...

Goodwin has been terrible, just plain bad, no way around it. At least Iupati has the injury excuse to fall back on,Goodwin....I don't know what his deal is.
I think we basically lost the division today, Today's game is very winnable and we blew it mostly offense. We have some tough games left. I think Seahawks can win most of their games just the way they are playing, Based on what kap did today it would be hard for us to beat the Seahawks even at home. I just got no confidence in him right now especially if we are behind.
I don't know why we are getting our hopes up over Wright and Carradine. We were saying the same crap about Manningham, "Manningham is coming back, offense will be better". LOL NOPE! Still suck! Kaepernick is trash and overrated, he needs to improve his game and start watching his own film because he is set in his ways and looks like he's having Michael Vick syndrome.

Niners will probably be 6th seed in the playoffs if we are lucky, and we will lose in the first round if we get there. Just my opinion. This team looks NOTHING like a superbowl contender.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
He might as well have been, he played almost 800 total snaps last season.

I was talking about injuries exclusively to starters during this season. I'm not going to point that out again.
[ Edited by Hopper on Nov 11, 2013 at 12:50 AM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Goodwin has been terrible, just plain bad, no way around it. At least Iupati has the injury excuse to fall back on,Goodwin....I don't know what his deal is.


The dude is old, he is 34. You got to drop off at some point.
Originally posted by Buchy:
I'm getting tired of quoting you for agreement


The sorry fact is, as outlined many times by Phoenix, we scheme to get one guy open. That guy is either VD or Boldin. Every other receiver is either running decoy with their head turned from the QB or blocking, they are not definitive receiving targets.

Our offense was good last year because Moss was a deep threat clearing out defenders, that's why he complained about his role. He didn't complain because he wasn't getting thrown to in a QB read offense, he complained because on most calls he was never even considered an option and his sole role was to take defenders away from the designated receiver.

The reason our pass offense is sucking, and as Ginn's better performance with Carolina has shown, is because defenses are adjusting and they know the ball is going to either Vernon or Boldin, they are now understanding who the designated receiver is. Now add to this the fact that our o-line is great at run blocking but terrible at pass blocking, and it makes the QB look like hot garbage when the other team has us figured out.

Essentially our passing woes come down to this:

1) We scheme to get one receiver open. That designated receiver is covered.
2) No other receiver is open or looking at the right time for a catch because they are running decoy routes as instructed or they are blocking.
3) Our O line pass protection is sub par and the QB is coming under pressure before there are any receiving options down field.


That's exactly what we saw last night. Vernon was injured, Boldin is obviously our only passing outlet with Mario rusty. Boldin is getting covered, we've no deep threat as VD is out and Moss is not on the team. The O-line is giving up sacks to a 3 man rush and Kaep is running for his life hoping that someone get's open after running their decoy route, but because Boldin is the designated receiver, Kaep''s on the run to his side of the field hoping he gets open or trying to force it into coverage. That's exactly what happened on the INT at the end of the game.

People are bashing on Kaep, as they bashed on Smith, and the real culprit is the incredibly shoddy, naive, one-trick pony passing offense we are running.

Excellent post. Summed up our passing offense nicely. The "one-read" scheme was a lot more effective when we had the Pistol confusing the hell out of defenses. Now not so much. It was meant to give Kap easier, defined reads. Now it just makes things tougher. Once that read is taken away, he is s**t out of luck.
[ Edited by SofaKing on Nov 11, 2013 at 12:52 AM ]
Originally posted by Kronos2560:
I don't know why we are getting our hopes up over Wright and Carradine. We were saying the same crap about Manningham, "Manningham is coming back, offense will be better". LOL NOPE! Still suck! Kaepernick is trash and overrated, he needs to improve his game and start watching his own film because he is set in his ways and looks like he's having Michael Vick syndrome.

Niners will probably be 6th seed in the playoffs if we are lucky, and we will lose in the first round if we get there. Just my opinion. This team looks NOTHING like a superbowl contender.


Ravens fans were saying the same thing last season too.


As far as Kaepernick, he made some great throws today and he made some bad ones, he had little time to throw and when he did have time to throw, there was rarely anyone open. Bad game, but trash? Now you're just being emotionally driven. If McDonald catches that deep pass which was perfectly thrown, he likely scores a TD and we're having a completely different discussion on here. A lot of Kaepernick's performance was the combined result of horrendous pass-blocking and terrible, inappropriate playcalling.
Originally posted by Hopper:
I was talking about injuries exclusively to starters during this season. I'm not going to point that out again.

LOL, so if they aren't a starter it doesn't matter? He was their #1 rated CB last season and was a de facto starter on the outside for them. Spin it however you like, it was a HUGE loss for this defense.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 11, 2013 at 12:56 AM ]
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Excellent post. Summed up our passing offense nicely. The "one-read" scheme was a lot more effective when we had the Pistol confusing the hell out of defenses. Now not so much. It was meant to give Kap easier, defined reads. Now it just makes things tougher. Once that read is taken away, he is s**t out of luck.

I get the feeling that the coaching staff is trying to be conservative to protect Kaepernick, at this point I'm like f**k it, set him loose, let him make plays, that is what Carolina did with Cam after the Buffalo loss. I don't think things can get any worse on offense, let Kaepernick do what he does, run around, chuck the ball all over the place, let him do what Seattle lets Wilson do, just go out there and play #YOLO, chuck the ball up and see what happens. From early on he seemed to have been over-coached, scared to run, scared to make a mistake, deer in the headlights look that he didn't have last season. Spread out defenses, give him multiple targets, I'd be a lot less upset if they lost playing that way then this forced one-read b******t.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 11, 2013 at 12:56 AM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:


Ravens fans were saying the same thing last season too.


As far as Kaepernick, he made some great throws today and he made some bad ones, he had little time to throw and when he did have time to throw, there was rarely anyone open. Bad game, but trash? Now you're just being emotionally driven. If McDonald catches that deep pass which was perfectly thrown, he likely scores a TD and we're having a completely different discussion on here. A lot of Kaepernick's performance was the combined result of horrendous pass-blocking and terrible, inappropriate playcalling.

All we need is to make it into the post-season relatively healthy. It could be as the 6th seed, I don't care. Once we're in, it's anyone's game. I like our chances. I like the makeup of this team and the collection of talent is championship caliber. I believe in Harbaugh's offensive approach, but the pass concepts and Roman's situational play calling needs an overhaul.

I understand what they are trying to do with Kap. They want to scheme a single, defined read for him to recognize pre-snap to make his life easier. Fact is, it's making it harder. This approach was feasible when the Pistol was causing confusion and creating massive throwing lanes. Not anymore. Time to take the training wheels off and work in more progressions.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Excellent post. Summed up our passing offense nicely. The "one-read" scheme was a lot more effective when we had the Pistol confusing the hell out of defenses. Now not so much. It was meant to give Kap easier, defined reads. Now it just makes things tougher. Once that read is taken away, he is s**t out of luck.

I get the feeling that the coaching staff is trying to be conservative to protect Kaepernick, at this point I'm like f**k it, set him loose, let him make plays, that is what Carolina did with Cam after the Buffalo loss. I don't think things can get any worse on offense, let Kaepernick do what he does, run around, chuck the ball all over the place, let him do what Seattle lets Wilson do, just go out there and play #YOLO, chuck the ball up and see what happens. From early on he seemed to have been over-coached, scared to run, scared to make a mistake, deer in the headlights look that he didn't have last season. Spread out defenses, give him multiple targets, I'd be a lot less upset if they lost playing that way then this forced one-read b******t.

Agree.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
LOL, so if they aren't a starter it doesn't matter? He was their #1 rated CB last season and was a de facto starter on the outside for them. Spin it however you like, it was a HUGE loss for this defense.

I give up.
Originally posted by Hopper:
I give up.

Your original point was that 49ers have been lucky because they only lost Ian Williams, then you tried to downplay the loss of Culliver like it wasn't s**t, forget that he was their top rated CB last season who would be a full starter this season.


The loss of Crabtree was bad, the loss of Culliver was bad, I don't see much upside in the way of injuries for this team, Patton has lost out on pretty much his entire rookie season, McDonald has been hobbled with injuries that have reduced his performance, likewise so has Iupati, those guys aren't "out", but their performance has dropped off big time. Dorsey has been out at times, VD, Reid, Willis....this has been a disastrous season for injuries, anyway you slice it.
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[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 11, 2013 at 1:11 AM ]