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What is the real problem with this offensive offense?

What is the real problem with this offensive offense?

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
I can't recall the last time that Kaep scrambled and had someone break off their route and come back for a first down reception. Cam had that luxury a couple of times tonight and that's all you need to extend that drive or kill off that D.

It seems we all see the same
No we're not frustated immature pricks we just open our eyes and all see the same s**t coming from the booth
Originally posted by 49Fever:
It seems we all see the same
No we're not frustated immature pricks we just open our eyes and all see the same s**t coming from the booth

People find it easier to slam on Kaepernick. Put any QB in this offense, they'll do drastically worse than the offense they came from, it's a b******t college offense that is predictable as hell. In their rush to "protect" Kaepernick, they're actually screwing him up with these BS schemes. Meanwhile up in Seattle, the coaching staff basically allows Russell Wilson to go #YOLO, play backyard football and it has worked out nicely for them.


The problem is Harbaugh and the offensive coaches. They had two weeks to come up with an offensive gameplan and they failed miserably. Two full fuccing weeks, SMFH!!
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
The problem is Harbaugh and the offensive coaches. They had two weeks to come up with an offensive gameplan and they failed miserably. Two full fuccing weeks, SMFH!!

Problem is the bye week gave Roman more time to dream of potato.
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
The problem is Harbaugh and the offensive coaches. They had two weeks to come up with an offensive gameplan and they failed miserably. Two full fuccing weeks, SMFH!!


No kidding. I was really looking forward to this game after having to wait 2 full weeks and this is the crap we got !! Just highly disappointing to say the least !!
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Problem is the bye week gave Roman more time to dream of potato.

Makes me wonder what the hell he was doing the whole 2 weeks?




[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 11, 2013 at 1:17 AM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
People find it easier to slam on Kaepernick. Put any QB in this offense, they'll do drastically worse than the offense they came from, it's a b******t college offense that is predictable as hell. In their rush to "protect" Kaepernick, they're actually screwing him up with these BS schemes. Meanwhile up in Seattle, the coaching staff basically allows Russell Wilson to go #YOLO, play backyard football and it has worked out nicely for them.

A question I'm starting to wonder about more and more with this offense and its complexity: When Kap comes to the line with two plays called...could defenses be "trapping" Kap/the Niners by intentionally giving them one bogus look initially and thus baiting Kap into changing the play? I just wonder if this could be causing Kap to overthink his calls at the line (by killing the original play call based on the D baiting him) and thus, putting the team into a formation/play call that is more predictable for the defense? Part of the reason I wonder this is because Kap is still gaining experience in running the team as an NFL QB...game management, clock management, etc. This plus the in-depth playbook...well-coached teams could be doing what they can to try and take advantage of this and confuse him with bogus looks, etc. Just a thought.
Originally posted by SofaKing:

SofaKing, I'm not sure where you're coming from. My post was giving further thought to Phoenix's post I included regarding the offense. What I'm getting at here is sometimes over-complexity can lead to not everyone being on the same page, errors, overthinking things (especially if you have a younger QB). A lot of "kill-kill" is going on and it makes me wonder (and worry every time the playclock gets closer to zero - need to one day quit spending our TOs because of this). My post is in no way a slam on Kap - every young QB is going to have games like today (look at Luck's game today) but it's how they bounce back and how the coaching staff does what it can to put the QB into the best position to succeed. I have full confidence in Harbaugh and co. that this will happen.
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Originally posted by sacleads:
It's sad but I think this offense is missing Moss, and D. Walker at this moment. I believe that not having another legit WR besides Crabtree have cost us two potential Super Bowl in the past two seasons and now it is biting us in the azz again. We need another receiver who is a threat to hit a home run. Without that, we are relying on Davis too often and if he's out, we are just incapable of winning games through the air. We are wasting away our window by not seriously addressing our WR issues.

We need to draft a WR well in the upcoming draft.

I can't put the blame on the receivers anymore. They had a few bad plays in the game, but overall, they just did not have the opportunity to get the ball. The play design was atrocious. With a team blitzing the way the Panthers were, this would have been the perfect game to showcase Hunter and James on short screens and pass plays. Manningham was out there moving really well, and he would have been great to put on short crossing patterns. The bottom line is that the plays that were called took way too long to develop, and Kap was under fire because of it. There were several times he took sacks that he should not have, but I think the best we could hope for is that he threw the ball away.

I used to hope that Roman would be able to adapt and get creative with the pass, but I just don't see any change from year one to year three. To be honest, I don't even think he is as good as advertised in the run game. I don't know how many times Frank Gore turns a loss of 3 into a positive gain. I just think that if this team ever expects to be a better offense, Roman has to go, and there is a reason nobody has hired him yet.


Agree entirely, and with what Phoenix is saying.

We could put Payton Manning in this offense and the result would be the same, well he might perhaps tell Roman to stop being an idiot and then run it as he wanted.our losses over the last 3 years are almost identical.

I also agree even on the run game element re. Roman. He's got some creative plays but he also calls some incredibly obvious run plays that get us in trouble, or that Frank manages to convert into a small gain because he's Frank. our offense has peaked with Roman and he needs to go if we want to take the next step.
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
SofaKing, I'm not sure where you're coming from. My post was giving further thought to Phoenix's post I included regarding the offense. What I'm getting at here is sometimes over-complexity can lead to not everyone being on the same page, errors, overthinking things (especially if you have a younger QB). A lot of "kill-kill" is going on and it makes me wonder (and worry every time the playclock gets closer to zero - need to one day quit spending our TOs because of this). My post is in no way a slam on Kap - every young QB is going to have games like today (look at Luck's game today) but it's how they bounce back and how the coaching staff does what it can to put the QB into the best position to succeed. I have full confidence in Harbaugh and co. that this will happen.


I think he was laughing at the video I posted.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
SofaKing, I'm not sure where you're coming from. My post was giving further thought to Phoenix's post I included regarding the offense. What I'm getting at here is sometimes over-complexity can lead to not everyone being on the same page, errors, overthinking things (especially if you have a younger QB). A lot of "kill-kill" is going on and it makes me wonder (and worry every time the playclock gets closer to zero - need to one day quit spending our TOs because of this). My post is in no way a slam on Kap - every young QB is going to have games like today (look at Luck's game today) but it's how they bounce back and how the coaching staff does what it can to put the QB into the best position to succeed. I have full confidence in Harbaugh and co. that this will happen.


I think he was laughing at the video I posted.

Yup. Sorry about the confusion LottDMontanaO. You're OK in my book.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think he was laughing at the video I posted.

Yep, my bad. (And, that video is funny...Costco sweatpants are underrated ).
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Yep, my bad. (And, that video is funny...Costco sweatpants are underrated ).

I'm wearing a pair right now! I s**t you not. That's why I lol'd
Originally posted by calbear:
The WRs are terrible.

We do not throw the ball down filed because Kap doesn't trust the WRs and Roman doesn't call effective passing plays.

And maybe Roman doesn't trust the WR's either? Still though good QB's make below avg receivers look avg and good receivers look great. I'm finished making excuses for Keap, WR's and Roman, they all suck this year I don't really know a better way to put it.