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I knew our passing game wasn't the greatest but I didnt know we were DEAD LAST in the

Originally posted by valrod33:
I thought Good QBs make their WRs better? When Alex was here playign with craptastic WRs it was his fault for not being good enough now that Kaep has some crappy WRs options its the WRs fault


Interesting how this is playing out now

Why are you mourning over an ex player. Even if you did have a point, it is long gone. You are just showing you aren't much of a Niner fan.
Fan support their team, other fans attack their team. You got one foot on the boat and one on the dock.
About to splash.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Keap is not the problem... Lack of receiver help is.... Hopefully Manningham and Crabtree can help him out ASAP

I thought Good QBs make their WRs better? When Alex was here playign with craptastic WRs it was his fault for not being good enough now that Kaep has some crappy WRs options its the WRs fault


Interesting how this is playing out now

At that time Kyle Williams was decent. Solid at best. Boldin can't do it all being doubled. Mario or Crabtree will help. How much remains to be seen. Kyle, Baldwin, Moore couldn't help out boldin. The only one I would like to see more of is Baldwin. Obviously Moore is gone and Kyle I wouldn't be mad if I never see him with the NINERS. Boldin, Keap and Vernon can use some help at the receiver position.
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Keap is not the problem... Lack of receiver help is.... Hopefully Manningham and Crabtree can help him out ASAP

Agreed, CK is not the problem. The type of passing offense we have IS. We do not have a QB-reliant offense like in NE, Denver, NO or GB where no-name WR's off the bench have become legit WR weapons in their offenses. Nobody on SF is going to ask that of CK nor is it even fundamentally built into our offense or offensive philosophy. We'll rely on the pass only if we have to but we'll never be a WCO or Spread-type offense that relies on multiple receiving threats/options, route trees, progression reads, constant pre-snaps audibles, etc. The passing game is merely here to compliment the running game and that too can be a winning formula in today's game. "Game managers" in CK (getting there), Alex, Wilson, etc. are what, 23-3 right now? What's funny about all three of these offenses is that SF, Seattle & KC are completely different from each other but as a team, employ the same winning TEAN formula: Excellent defenses, TO's, TOP, great running games, good ST and pass for around 200 a game (but efficient).
[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 5, 2013 at 9:59 AM ]
Originally posted by OldJoe:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I thought Good QBs make their WRs better? When Alex was here playign with craptastic WRs it was his fault for not being good enough now that Kaep has some crappy WRs options its the WRs fault


Interesting how this is playing out now

Why are you mourning over an ex player. Even if you did have a point, it is long gone. You are just showing you aren't much of a Niner fan.
Fan support their team, other fans attack their team. You got one foot on the boat and one on the dock.
About to splash.

Either read your pm's or read the rules before you make any more personal attacks.
Originally posted by valrod33:
I thought Good QBs make their WRs better? When Alex was here playign with craptastic WRs it was his fault for not being good enough now that Kaep has some crappy WRs options its the WRs fault


Interesting how this is playing out now

I'm biting the bait again......

Smith had had two solid WRs. Crabtree and Manningham. Kap has only had one Crabtree last year Boldin this year. So your point is again lame.
Originally posted by OldJoe:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I thought Good QBs make their WRs better? When Alex was here playign with craptastic WRs it was his fault for not being good enough now that Kaep has some crappy WRs options its the WRs fault


Interesting how this is playing out now

I'm biting the bait again......

Smith had had two solid WRs. Crabtree and Manningham. Kap has only had one Crabtree last year Boldin this year. So your point is again lame.


Dude is clearly trolling. Don't waste your time going back and forth with him. No use.
Originally posted by English:
Either read your pm's or read the rules before you make any more personal attacks.

Read the rules. I'm not allowed to attack personally Niner fans. I think I'm ok because I don't think I reacted to a Niner fan, but a Chief fan.
I always though Harbaugh made Kaep the qb so we could get away from the "game manager" status quo. Not return to it, I hope it changes when Mario and Crabtree return to the field. If we become more balanced on offense we'd be a lot more efficient in the passing game and run.
Originally posted by OldJoe:
Originally posted by English:
Either read your pm's or read the rules before you make any more personal attacks.

Read the rules. I'm not allowed to attack personally Niner fans. I think I'm ok because I don't think I reacted to a Niner fan, but a Chief fan.

Ummm, how about no. Rule # 1 states: Don't be a jerk. Certain topics will get heated debates but please remember, disagree/attack the idea and not the poster.

If you can't debate with your fellow fans, why be here at all? He has a different opinion than you, debate the points and do not attack the poster.

- 98
So, we are 6-2 with a crappy passing game. Imagine the situation with an avg or even above avg passing game...the Chicks and the other 30 teams would start to cry because of our dominance
Good QB's don't need the best WR's. They make the players around them better. Good thing our OL (same personnel) has immensely improved from allowing 40+ sacks to half that amount. Wonder why.

I wouldn't worry about our passing. Looks like we are 5th in pass efficiency.


http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff
Doesn't surprise me.. Sure, we have Boldin but we got nothing out of Kyle Williams, Marlon Moore, Kassim Osgood and even Jon Baldwin. It's almost like playing with one arm behind our backs. Nfl corners probly laugh when they see who our starting recievers our rightnow. Hopefully Manningham can get in there an help some with this big problem.
Over the past 5 games, Kaepernick hasn't been required to do much in the passing game in the 4th qtr of games, even the entire second half for a few of them. He has a 8+ YPA, which is well above-avg. They've been rushing for close to 200 yds/game. Kyle Frickin' Williams has been the #2. That should be about all you need to know...at this point there is simply no reason to be hand-wringing over the passing game.
I don't care where we rank in passing, as long as were still winning games.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Keap is not the problem... Lack of receiver help is.... Hopefully Manningham and Crabtree can help him out ASAP

Agreed, CK is not the problem. The type of passing offense we have IS. We do not have a QB-reliant offense like in NE, Denver, NO or GB where no-name WR's off the bench have become legit WR weapons in their offenses. Nobody on SF is going to ask that of CK nor is it even fundamentally built into our offense or offensive philosophy. We'll rely on the pass only if we have to but we'll never be a WCO or Spread-type offense that relies on multiple receiving threats/options, route trees, progression reads, constant pre-snaps audibles, etc. The passing game is merely here to compliment the running game and that too can be a winning formula in today's game. "Game managers" in CK (getting there), Alex, Wilson, etc. are what, 23-3 right now? What's funny about all three of these offenses is that SF, Seattle & KC are completely different from each other but as a team, employ the same winning TEAN formula: Excellent defenses, TO's, TOP, great running games, good ST and pass for around 200 a game (but efficient).

Every player has its strengths and weaknesses. I'm fine with CKs. He may not be a multi-read, zone shredding QB, but what he does bring to the field is excellent 3rd down conversion provided a the running game is sufficient. I think our offense understands this and accentuates his strengths. As long as he can beat a 1-1 match-up, then I'm happy.

Now I know that may be a problem against a team with great CBs (like Seattle). That's fine, you have to unleash some RB out of the backfiled type passing plays. I expect LMJ to re-emerge as Weapon X toward the end of the season and help stomp Seattle when they arrive. Many will use the Seattle template. Good luck. With addition of Manningham to Boldin, I expect options to be a bit more available.

Go Niners.
[ Edited by NinerGM on Nov 5, 2013 at 11:55 AM ]
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