Originally posted by Jikkle49:
To address you first point trading away a 2nd round pick isn't exactly giving up a king's ransom for a guy. I think most people in the trade for Gordon camp would at most trade a 2nd and a player or lower round pick for him.
Secondly he was only a 2nd round supplemental pick because of his baggage. He's not once in a generation kind of talent but he does have top tier talent for the position and would likely be a top 10 pick if he was clean. Recievers with top tier talent only slide if they have baggage like Moss and Dez and they really slide that far so the only way we get a guy with that talent is taking a guy with baggage or we draft in the top 10.
And lastly while we might not get full impact from this move this season he is still under contract until 2016 so it could have a huge payoff in 2014 and beyond.
Next season we're looking Crabtree, Baldwin, and Patton under contract so if it comes down using a 1st or 2nd round pick on drafting a WR or trading a 2nd rounder for Gordon I would much rather take my chances on trading for Gordon especially considering our recent track record when it comes to drafting the position.
Well, now you're changing your premise...initially, giving up a 2nd wasn't going to affect the draft, now you've moved to giving up a 2nd "isn't exactly giving away a king's ransom"...that's 2 different things. It will affect the draft and it certainly would have a big detrimental effect if Gordon gets busted again and is gone for a year.
Don't minimize 2nd round picks for this team...2nd round picks are gold in this league. Its where you can find impact players that fall for one reason or another and who will be cheap through their rookie contracts. That's especially important for this team as their salary cap structure is about to change starting with Kaep's new contract.
Well, how much help is he going to be if he gets busted and is gone for a year? Not a lot. Given his history, do you really want to go into a season depending on Josh Gordon knowing that even if he is a "top tier talent", he has shown a weakness for making selfish and poor decisions that could result in the 49ers losing not only Gordon for a year but that player that could have been drafted with the 2nd round pick given up to get him.
And, lets not forget..since his senior year in college, Gordon has not gone a full year without running into some kind of problem...what would make you think he could go the rest of 2013 through 2016 without an issue? On top of that, Cleveland has had him for the last year and this year. They know him better than anyone in the NFL. If they're willing to let him go despite his "top tier talent", that should tells you they don't think he can be trusted.
The recent history of drafting WR's? So...in the first 2 rounds, that consists of Crabtree and Jenkins. They hit on one and wiffed on one. Patton was a mid-round pick that got hurt once in TC and now so we don't know about him. Ronald Johnson was a failed 6th round pick. Not sure how much stock you can put in a failed 6th round pick.