Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by SaksV:
The Niners literally have only ONE WR that can separate from coverage and that's Boldin. VD gets his touches by moving him all over the formation, plus he's a mismatch nightmare. Kyle Williams sucks, Jon Baldwin has done jack all, Osgood is a special teamer, Marlon Moore isn't even good enough to be activated on gameday.... Seriously, if you were Greg Roman and were faced with a passing situation, what would you do? Flood the formation with a 4 WR look consisting of ONE guy that will get open? OR give your QB a few more options by releasing the fullback and runningbacks out to catch due to the fact they don't need to beat the press (which is the number 1 problem for our WR corps)? When we get guys that can actually play some goddamn Wide Receiver (Rio and Crab), you'll see us spread it out a bit more like we did vs. Chicago last year, like we did vs. the Bills last year, like we did vs. the Saints last year......
I strongly disagree.
The problem is; Harbaugh/Roman's SCHEME does not ATTEMPT to get more than one WR free at a time. In fact, much of the time, Boldin is the only WR on the field. When there is another WR, or two, their JOB is to just draw cover so Boldin can get open, or be in position to block for him, or Davis, when they catch the ball.
Kyle Williams had no problem getting open for the "noodle-arm game manager" last season. While playing BEHIND Crabtree, Manningham and Moss, he caught 14 passes for an average of 15.2 yds/catch. A receiver that averages over 15 yards/catch obviously can get open fairly well.
Last season, Jon Baldwin playing in KC with some of the worst quarterbacking in recent NFL history, caught 20 passes for over 16 yds/catch. Again, Baldwin was even better with worse QB play than Williams.
So here we have a team with supposedly excellent QB play and a coaching staff that is reputed (by some) to be offensive geniuses, yet claim to be hard up for quality receivers, have two guys on the team that performed much better LAST SEASON with lesser quality QB play.
Don't take it personally but I don't see how anyone can honestly claim the 49ers do not have adequate WRs on the team. Most writers don't watch anything other than the ball most of the time so they have no idea how poorly Williams and Baldwin have been utilized. Hence this myth that because Crabtree and Manningham are injured, we have NO WRs of any value.
Once again, we see how Harbaugh's PREFERENCE for a power running game and a VERY limited passing game results in a misperception of the quality of receivers on the team. Williams and Baldwin COULD contribute but they are deliberately not being planned into the scheme.
I think you are greatly overstating.
I understand what you are saying about the roles of the WRs when they are out there...but there is a REASON they are boing schemed they way they are. Baldwon had 20 receptions...but they were so impressed by him that they traded him for AJ Jenkins.
This is a power running team. It has been since Harbaugh took over. It wanted to be one before that...nevermind...I'm not going to get into before Harbaugh.
Unbalnced lines, extra O-Linemen, 2 or 3 TEs, very few WRs.
It has ALWAYS been this way. Thats the way they ran it at Stanford. It works. All of those lines create on on one situations in the secondary and you need guys who can take advantage of those situations. Boldin can be that guy sometimes. Vernon can be that guy. Crabtree can be that guy.
If you can man up Boldin tho and take him out of the game with one guy, SOMEBODY else needs to be capable of beating coverage. THAT isn't happeneing. Moreover, all offseason it has been drilled into Kaps head that Boldin isn't a separation receiver so you throw to him even when he isn't open. Mission accomplished. He's been doing that. If Boldin is the #1 receiver and he's been told to throw to him even if he's covered...how often are you actually going to get to a second read?
This is why I think Crab is important. It will be clearer if he is or is not open. Its an easier read and will allow Kap to move to a second option.
Yes, there are going to be ALOT of plays where there are only 1 or 2 viable passing options. Thats the nature of the offense. That isn't a mystery when you run jumbo sets as much as the 49ers do.
Well, we saw how well that power running/limited receiver deal worked against the Seahawks.
A good bit of the conversation around here has been about lack of receivers that can get separation. I believe THAT is the part that is greatly over-stated. As I showed, we have some receivers who have PROVEN they can get separation in the past but Harbaugh refuses to use them. There is no other reason.
As to Baldwin; Baalke saw a chance to get a blocker with some receiving skills in exchange for a speed guy who couldn't block. Baldwin is much more than that but will not prove that here. I expect him to leave at the first offer when this season ends. He COULD be a good pass catcher but will not have the chance here.
As to the future of a team that is 90% power running; how many teams have made it to the Super Bowl in the past 8 years as a power running based team?
This is a passing league. That is what the league powers want it to be, and that is what it is. You might get by with a power running game against weaker teams but it is just too limited if you fall behind against a good team.
The 49ers have the potential to be both but that will not happen under Harbaugh. He is Bo Schembechler reincarnated.
ok...several problems here for me....
1) Yes...they had/have issues with Seattle. Thats gonna be true no matter what the scheme is. This just in, Seattle is good. :) Harbaugh was brought here with the idea of bringing his Stanford offense to the NFL. He's done that. He's 29-9-1. The Colts have beaten the Seahawks, the Niners, and now the Broncos with Pep Hamilton as their OC. Guess whos staff Pep worked on. They are using a very similar offense...they don't have the RBs we do (and that's what the Richardson trade was about) and have a QB whos been running that offense since college. They also have WRs who can get open (or at least they did before last night) in TY Hilton and Reggie Wayne.
2) Separation is NOT overstated. Too often people simply look at the game and see a guy running open and think "SEE, SEE!!! They ARE getting OPEN!!!". What they miss is that they have no idea how far through the play progression that player might be. Kap can't look at all points of the field at the same time. When I'm talking about separation BTW, I'm not talking about a guy running 4.3. I'm talking about a guy who can consistantly get open and warrant being a top read on any given play. If he can't beat man coverage more than 30% of the time, they probably aren't going to scheme a way to get that guy the ball.
3) Baldwin was a chance to get SOMETHING productive for a player they had realized was never going to pan out. He was also an opportunity to get a big red-zone target they had been looking for.
4) How many teams were power run based? I really hate this argument. Don't take this personally because this isn't targetted at you specifically, but the number one most annoying argument I read is that "This is a passing league" and that power run teams can't win. That is such BS. Cowboys of the 90s were a power run team. The Steelers more recently were a power run team. The Ravens were a power run team. The Seahawks right now are a power run team. The Niners BEAT Pass first teams like the Packers (three times), The Saints (Twice), The Pats, and the Falcons in the last three years. The team that stands in the 49ers way right now? A RUN FIRST POWER TEAM BUILT JUST LIKE THEMSELVES. Outside of Seattle and a Colts game that is looking less and less like a fluke every week (tho the 49ers were within a score in the 4th quarter of both games), the 49ers have put up over 30 points in EVERY GAME THIS YEAR. The Power Run game is alive and well thank you and I'd take it any day of the week and twice on sunday. When the entire league is becoming a Passing League, what do you do? Do you try to out pass the Jones' or do you take advantage of the defenders teams are trying to get to stop the pass by OVERPOWERING THEM. I think the answer is obvious.
5) The Harbaugh jab at the end is comical to me. They've now been to the NFC Championship twice in his first 2 years and were 5 yards from winning the Super Bowl. I could understand these comments if they werent' winning, but what "good teams" can they not beat? Seattle...another power run team? The Ravens...yet another running team? This comment makes no sense.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Oct 21, 2013 at 2:42 PM ]