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Anquan Boldin

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Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Despite his saving the team last season, I wouldn't be so quick to resign him. The FO's object should be to target beating Seattle, even in Seattle. That will require speed, and much more of it. Boldin was neutralized in both Niners' games in Seattle (as was VD and Crabtree). Those three are good enough to beat lesser teams, but the Super Bowl now goes through Seattle.

Whoa. One game won't ever define one player's capabilities to perform.

With that being said, and what Boldin did for us this season, there's no doubt in my mind we need him back for the regular season + another game in/against Seattle. You are correct in saying we need speed, but we can't give up a game-changer like him to acquire one. The dude is big-time, a momentum-starter for sure.
We do need speed BUT look what he did w/out elite speed.

Imagine if we had:

A). a speed guy on the field at the same time as Boldin & Crabs

B). a game plan that actually used them
Originally posted by rEspEctdA49ers:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Despite his saving the team last season, I wouldn't be so quick to resign him. The FO's object should be to target beating Seattle, even in Seattle. That will require speed, and much more of it. Boldin was neutralized in both Niners' games in Seattle (as was VD and Crabtree). Those three are good enough to beat lesser teams, but the Super Bowl now goes through Seattle.

Whoa. One game won't ever define one player's capabilities to perform.

With that being said, and what Boldin did for us this season, there's no doubt in my mind we need him back for the regular season + another game in/against Seattle. You are correct in saying we need speed, but we can't give up a game-changer like him to acquire one. The dude is big-time, a momentum-starter for sure.

Boldin was all but blanked in both games the Niners played in Seattle. Boldin and Crabtree are too similar as possession-type receivers, excellent as they are. To beat Seattle, better utilize Kap's strong arm, get the safety off scrimmage, the Niners need speed, starting speed, at WR.
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by rEspEctdA49ers:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Despite his saving the team last season, I wouldn't be so quick to resign him. The FO's object should be to target beating Seattle, even in Seattle. That will require speed, and much more of it. Boldin was neutralized in both Niners' games in Seattle (as was VD and Crabtree). Those three are good enough to beat lesser teams, but the Super Bowl now goes through Seattle.

Whoa. One game won't ever define one player's capabilities to perform.

With that being said, and what Boldin did for us this season, there's no doubt in my mind we need him back for the regular season + another game in/against Seattle. You are correct in saying we need speed, but we can't give up a game-changer like him to acquire one. The dude is big-time, a momentum-starter for sure.

Boldin was all but blanked in both games the Niners played in Seattle. Boldin and Crabtree are too similar as possession-type receivers, excellent as they are. To beat Seattle, better utilize Kap's strong arm, get the safety off scrimmage, the Niners need speed, starting speed, at WR.

No disputing the last part, but again, I do believe we can still be effective against SEA with Anquan, if we do add speed, I hope it doesn't come at his expense. They are very similar, which I feel is a good thing because the more plays we design for one, it applies for the other. I just think our playcalling will determine, to some extent, a player's effectiveness. Kaep's (or our coaching's) decisions to lock on one receiver also plays a role on who gets some looks and who doesn't. (I'm on Kaep's side btw, in that I think the playcalling has a factor into when he does decide to lock on).

Boldin could have a breakout game against anybody, whether we have speed or not, and the same goes for Crabtree. I feel like our playcalling can and should be adjusted to where we utilize all of our threats throughout a game.
Boldin is a must sing going into the 2014 season for a couple of reasons.

1. If the Niners want to win it all Boldin is a great leader to the team a classy veteran who can mentor Kap going forward
2. He is physical and with the Hawks CB we need a guy like him to get of the line in press coverage
3. Niners suffer on third down and red zone plays he makes a great third down option
4. Great route runner great hands and great attitude make him an essential part to Kaps growth
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We do need speed BUT look what he did w/out elite speed.

Imagine if we had:

A). a speed guy on the field at the same time as Boldin & Crabs

B). a game plan that actually used them

This...had a 4.2 Ginn, Moss, Moore and probably a couple more "burners" but never used them despite a strong arm with CK. So I'm a little skeptical that a burner is what this staff wants let alone use.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We do need speed BUT look what he did w/out elite speed.

Imagine if we had:

A). a speed guy on the field at the same time as Boldin & Crabs

B). a game plan that actually used them

This...had a 4.2 Ginn, Moss, Moore and probably a couple more "burners" but never used them despite a strong arm with CK. So I'm a little skeptical that a burner is what this staff wants let alone use.

Ginn had questionable hands and moss was old. i barely even remember moore
Originally posted by rEspEctdA49ers:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by rEspEctdA49ers:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Despite his saving the team last season, I wouldn't be so quick to resign him. The FO's object should be to target beating Seattle, even in Seattle. That will require speed, and much more of it. Boldin was neutralized in both Niners' games in Seattle (as was VD and Crabtree). Those three are good enough to beat lesser teams, but the Super Bowl now goes through Seattle.

Whoa. One game won't ever define one player's capabilities to perform.

With that being said, and what Boldin did for us this season, there's no doubt in my mind we need him back for the regular season + another game in/against Seattle. You are correct in saying we need speed, but we can't give up a game-changer like him to acquire one. The dude is big-time, a momentum-starter for sure.

Boldin was all but blanked in both games the Niners played in Seattle. Boldin and Crabtree are too similar as possession-type receivers, excellent as they are. To beat Seattle, better utilize Kap's strong arm, get the safety off scrimmage, the Niners need speed, starting speed, at WR.

No disputing the last part, but again, I do believe we can still be effective against SEA with Anquan, if we do add speed, I hope it doesn't come at his expense. They are very similar, which I feel is a good thing because the more plays we design for one, it applies for the other. I just think our playcalling will determine, to some extent, a player's effectiveness. Kaep's (or our coaching's) decisions to lock on one receiver also plays a role on who gets some looks and who doesn't. (I'm on Kaep's side btw, in that I think the playcalling has a factor into when he does decide to lock on).

Boldin could have a breakout game against anybody, whether we have speed or not, and the same goes for Crabtree. I feel like our playcalling can and should be adjusted to where we utilize all of our threats throughout a game.

One way we could have used Boldin, that the Raven's used as well, was motioning Boldin, lining him up in jumbo formations and esp. running him from the slot esp. in the RZ. In each case, he should have a free release even against Seattle.
Originally posted by lucky_49:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We do need speed BUT look what he did w/out elite speed.

Imagine if we had:

A). a speed guy on the field at the same time as Boldin & Crabs

B). a game plan that actually used them

This...had a 4.2 Ginn, Moss, Moore and probably a couple more "burners" but never used them despite a strong arm with CK. So I'm a little skeptical that a burner is what this staff wants let alone use.

Ginn had questionable hands and moss was old. i barely even remember moore

Ginn's "hands" were fine. We only took one shot with him while he was here (called back TD). But it was his speed teams had to respect and like Moss (the threat) is what opened up a bunch underneath stuff for Crabtree and VD. Moore was brought in as the deep threat from Miami and played terrific in pre season. Never used either. Moss? He will go down as the best jump ball receiver of all time. Never used other than as a deeper decoy and as a #2 or #3 when injuries occured. I'm sure you could throw in Walker, VD and a host of others as "burners" but how often were they used in this manner? Deep post? Double-move and go along the sidelines? Go routes? Watch other teams and the exotic routes they use to get guys open on deeper routes (some with and some w/o "burner" speed).
Boldin is especially effective on 3rd downs and in redzone. Both things 49ers lack. We 100% need to re-sign him. Of course if he wants an insane amount of $$ then there is nothing anyone can do about that, but i assume he wants to play for a winning team to take another crack at the Super Bowl.

Something i would like to see (wont happen) is using a bunch of late round picks on the same position (WR) and having a massive training camp battle. the winner will be better for it, and get serious playing time, and the loser(s) will be cut.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We do need speed BUT look what he did w/out elite speed.

Imagine if we had:

A). a speed guy on the field at the same time as Boldin & Crabs

B). a game plan that actually used them

This...had a 4.2 Ginn, Moss, Moore and probably a couple more "burners" but never used them despite a strong arm with CK. So I'm a little skeptical that a burner is what this staff wants let alone use.
Yeah, I don't know what the FO will do. They seem to like the possession type, good blocker WRs that support the power run offense.

My point is that the off-season should be to get a new starter with speed. I hope I don't have to state the obvious that he should not have only speed. He has to be a legitimate improvement in total over Boldin. That will be difficult, and might necessitate trading up in the first round this year. I'd love to have Boldin back, but as the #3 WR.

I'm skeptical that the FO sees the need for as I do, but Seattle is in the Niners' division so beating them must be, IMO, the offseason focus.

The argument that we are weak on 3rd down and the red zone with Boldin, so we should keep him suggests we can't get better without him.
[ Edited by Paul_Hofer on Feb 10, 2014 at 5:38 PM ]
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It really bugs me when people say Michael Crabtree is just a possession receiver. At full health, he's actually not that easy to catch. He's a quick guy, not necessarily blazing fast but he's nowhere near the slowness of Anquan Boldin. I'm at an awe when I see Boldin make catch after catch out there because he literally looks like he's slower than Anthony Dixon playing WR....for yearrrs.
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We do need speed BUT look what he did w/out elite speed.

Imagine if we had:

A). a speed guy on the field at the same time as Boldin & Crabs

B). a game plan that actually used them

This...had a 4.2 Ginn, Moss, Moore and probably a couple more "burners" but never used them despite a strong arm with CK. So I'm a little skeptical that a burner is what this staff wants let alone use.
Yeah, I don't know what the FO will do. They seem to like the possession type, good blocker WRs that support the power run offense.

My point is that the off-season should be to get a new starter with speed. I hope I don't have to state the obvious that he should not have only speed. He has to be a legitimate improvement in total over Boldin. That will be difficult, and might necessitate trading up in the first round this year. I'd love to have Boldin back, but as the #3 WR.

I'm skeptical that the FO sees the need for as I do, but Seattle is in the Niners' division so beating them must be, IMO, the offseason focus.

The argument that we are weak on 3rd down and the red zone with Boldin, so we should keep him

Amen!
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