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The next 49er to get a big $$ deal (other than Kap)

O- Line, O-Line, O-Line, its the trenches that constantly wins football games. Iupati deserves a extension!
  • dwett
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by dwett:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by dwett:
Sorry I won't let this go but Alex is a prime example of what I am talking about. His salary cap figure does not hurt the team which is why they paid so much in draft picks to get him.

If he wants 18 mil a year to continue on the Chiefs will have to look elsewhere since I am sure they want to pay those great players on D. The thing is if you can have a decent QB for under 10 mil it opens up so much for the rest of your team. If you pay them 18-20 mil is closes that. Can you be successful having a great overall team and a QB that you pay under 10 mil for. YES. Most of the Superbowl winners were on the front ends of the QBs contracts. So would you be better served to construct a great team and only be looking for one piece even though it is important???


I think you answered your own question.

No maybe you misunderstood. They were winning them before they got paid. Brees Rodgers even Brady won their super bowls and then got paid the big dollars. None of them have won one since because they are eating up so much salary cap space the team around them is not near the level they once were.


You make a good point.
I think Eli was already in his second contract when he won his Super Bowls. I think Big Ben was on his second when he won his second Super Bowl. Peyton Manning was almost certainly on an epic contract when he won his Super Bowl. Brady might have won one on his second contract, but I'm not sure.

It's a tough call. Hopefully it works out for us in the end.

Don't get me wrong I do as well, just have reservations on how we should go about it.
  • dwett
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by AUniner:
Eli & Ben I would think both won their 1st SB's with in their rookie contracts. Also backed by some pretty good defenses.

Peyton would be the only one that I think falls into the big money contract situation on that list. He was probably pretty lucky to be up against Rex Grossman in the SB.

Kaeps not worth 18-20M at this point. Somewhere in the 4 years 50M is what I would want to pay. Maybe a few incentives to top it to 60?

I'm pretty sure Russell Wilson will be a guy that settles for less when his 2nd contract is coming up.
Here we go.

Super Bowl Winning QBs, Since 2000

2000- Rams - Warner - $2,004,300
2001- Ravens - Dilfer - $1,000,300
2002- Pats- Brady - $314,993
2003- Buccaneers - Brad Johnson - $6,803,150
2004- Pats- Brady - $3,323,450
2005- Pats- Brady - $5,062,950
2006- Steelers- Big Ben - $4,225,090
2007- Colts- Peyton - $10,571,068
2008- Giants- Eli - $10,046,666
2009- Steelers - Big Ben - $7,971,920
2010- Saints- Brees - $10,660,400
2011- Packers - Rodgers - $6,500,000
2012- Giants- Eli - $14,100,000
2013- Ravens - Flacco - $8,000,000

None over $10.6M until Eli's new deal, when he won the title.
Wow that just makes you think about paying one player on a completely team sport 15 mil plus. Eli was there but man they had one hell of a run to get there and he is the exception to the rule not the rule.

Would take Brady for 314,000. Damn Gio and that draft.
keeping the O-line intact is a priority, even over crabs as far as im concerned. Quarterbacks that get sacked take longer to develop, not to mention get injured, Kaepernick doesn't do that great in tight spaces either.
As pointed out over and over again, Iupati is a great run blocker, but a so-so pass blocker. You don't pay someone like that elite guard money. I'd extend him, but the price would have to be right.


I think Kap is a must and I'd still target Aldon assuming the FO feels he's really changed. If I had to rank: Kap, Crabs, Aldon
Everybody has an asterisk right now.
  • xcfan
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what kind of big deal is kaep building for himself? is he good, very good, or elite?
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Here we go.

Super Bowl Winning QBs, Since 2000

2000- Rams - Warner - $2,004,300
2001- Ravens - Dilfer - $1,000,300
2002- Pats- Brady - $314,993
2003- Buccaneers - Brad Johnson - $6,803,150
2004- Pats- Brady - $3,323,450
2005- Pats- Brady - $5,062,950
2006- Steelers- Big Ben - $4,225,090
2007- Colts- Peyton - $10,571,068
2008- Giants- Eli - $10,046,666
2009- Steelers - Big Ben - $7,971,920
2010- Saints- Brees - $10,660,400
2011- Packers - Rodgers - $6,500,000
2012- Giants- Eli - $14,100,000
2013- Ravens - Flacco - $8,000,000

None over $10.6M until Eli's new deal, when he won the title.


Looks like the Manning brother's pulled it off the best. One must also consider how much the salary cap has risen over the last 12 years.
Originally posted by ninerhippy:
keeping the O-line intact is a priority, even over crabs as far as im concerned. Quarterbacks that get sacked take longer to develop, not to mention get injured, Kaepernick doesn't do that great in tight spaces either.


Does one guard keep a quarterback upright? Has our line pass blocked well this year? I sure know that Iupati has not been dominant this year. Campbell was eating him up before he went down.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Does one guard keep a quarterback upright? Has our line pass blocked well this year? I sure know that Iupati has not been dominant this year. Campbell was eating him up before he went down.

Iupati has been absolutely awful in pass protection. I can identify where he's at in pass pro by looking for the guy getting kickes back the most. It's a lost cause though. Ive pointed this out multiple times but the homer is strong on this one. Iupati pass protection has certainly helped keep Kaep clean long enough to find his receivers this season. Thats a fact. We dont need crabtree for sure. Clearly hes expendable. Extend iupati and watch the passing production FLOURISH!
[ Edited by eonblue on Oct 17, 2013 at 12:04 AM ]
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Here we go.

Super Bowl Winning QBs, Since 2000

2000- Rams - Warner - $2,004,300
2001- Ravens - Dilfer - $1,000,300
2002- Pats- Brady - $314,993
2003- Buccaneers - Brad Johnson - $6,803,150
2004- Pats- Brady - $3,323,450
2005- Pats- Brady - $5,062,950
2006- Steelers- Big Ben - $4,225,090
2007- Colts- Peyton - $10,571,068
2008- Giants- Eli - $10,046,666
2009- Steelers - Big Ben - $7,971,920
2010- Saints- Brees - $10,660,400
2011- Packers - Rodgers - $6,500,000
2012- Giants- Eli - $14,100,000
2013- Ravens - Flacco - $8,000,000

None over $10.6M until Eli's new deal, when he won the title.


Looks like the Manning brother's pulled it off the best. One must also consider how much the salary cap has risen over the last 12 years.





What are those numbers like in current dollars with comparables? Brady at 5 million in 04 is probably equivalent to a 15-20 million contract nowadays isn't it?
  • Wodwo
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Originally posted by bigmur49:
What are those numbers like in current dollars with comparables? Brady at 5 million in 04 is probably equivalent to a 15-20 million contract nowadays isn't it?

The problem as I see it is that over the years QBs have been increasing their percentage of cap space faster than the cap has been rising. Especially the last couple years.
Harbaugh eluded to the fact that we didn't want to pay 25% of the payroll out to one player on the 53 man roster when addressing the Manning fiasco. I don't think now they pay that to Kap unless he tears it up these last 10 games
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Harbaugh eluded to the fact that we didn't want to pay 25% of the payroll out to one player on the 53 man roster when addressing the Manning fiasco. I don't think now they pay that to Kap unless he tears it up these last 10 games

If he plays well, but not great for the remainder of the season, we may push the extension. But if he plays great, he'll want to wait it out.
[ Edited by NinerBuff on Oct 17, 2013 at 7:21 AM ]