Originally posted by real9erfan:
Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Originally posted by real9erfan:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Harbaugh has made the 9ers look like a complete joke and an unprofessional outfit with this whole back-up QB debacle.
Just think about the ridiculous chain of events, Josh Johnson was a pretty decent back-up, then they dumped him for the crappy Tolzien, followed by signing an even more crappy McCoy and later dumping Tolzien. Then, he brought in Seneca Wallace and didn't even evaluate him properly by giving him only 2 mins of garbage time in a preseason game, basically using him just to force McCoy to take a paycut. The worst of all was to cut a promising young QB in BJ to deliver him on a silver platter to the Seahawks to sign a well known scrub in Skelton only to be dumped again days later for MBT.
If I was a QB, I wouldn't touch the 9ers.
Really? Do you know what other teams have done with backup QBs? Do you know why those players the Niners have signed and later released were available? What did the Patriots do with Tim Tebow? Was that unprofessional? Was it unprofessional what the Bengals did with John Skelton? There is a lot of turnover in backup QB positions, and especially in 3rd string QB positions. Harbaugh did nothing unprofessional and has not made this team a joke except in the minds of obsessed fans who are getting exercised over the 3rd string QB position. Most other people around the country don't even know what is going on with the Niners' 3rd string QB.
But that's just missing the point. A third-stringer isn't supposed to be front page news, but it doesn't mean that he is unimportant. QB is the most important position on the team. It behoves a well run organization to carry a developmental prospect on the roster. In Harbaugh's first year, the team carried TWO developmental guys. Didn't seem to bother them then, but they've strayed from that model this year. They had a guy that fit the development role perfectly and was showing well . . . they confessed to liking him, but they got spooked because some team worked out another player who they thought looked intriguing (a failed veteran on whom there was plenty of film; nevertheless even some "experts" here knew better).
IMO, and evidently, the Niners lost the plot, played roulette and tried to slip their guy by the rest of the league and onto the PS. Except that their biggest rival also had their eye on BJ (something the Niners knew, or should have known) and snatched him. I'm pretty sure that, given the rivalry, there's some amount of chuckling going on by the 'Hawks. Yes, they pwned the Niners on this one.
What makes it look worse is that now it looks like the rest of the league was pretty much right about Skelton. Now the team APPEARS to be scurrying around try to make up for their abandoning a perfectly good scheme. So there probably is some delight being experienced by teams/people who are not fans of the Niners. Also, judging from the way Baalke responded to the questioning on it, the Niners, I think realise thay they made a mistake. It happens and the Team will move on from it.
The team and FO is not infallible as some here on the 'zone would have us believe.
No one is saying the FO is infallible. However, first, the FO ALWAYS has much more information about players than we do. That doesn't mean they can't get it wrong, but it means that we don't know why they make certain decisions and overreacting to them is simply irrational. Second, it's one thing to believe that the FO might make mistakes, but it's another thing to make categorical, exaggerated statements like "Harbaugh is making the Niners look like a joke," all because we are exercised over movements the team has made for the 3rd string QB position. As for carrying a developmental QB, can you tell me which successful organization today carries a developmental 3rd string QB and who this QB might be?
I don't disagree with much of what you say.
There always seems to be a group who brings up the "we can't know better than the FO" argument to forestall any further discussion (NOT SAYING THAT YOU"RE PART OF THIS GROUP). If that's going to be the attitude, why bother having any discussion on roster moves? Of course we don't know, but its fun speculating anyway, and subsequent event's are either supportive of the argument made or not. FO does make mistake and that's evident, but then you know that.
Re Back-up QB's: Are you suggesting that successful organizations don't carry developmental QBs? Because that's the point, isn't it? Do teams carry developmental QB's . . . not so much whether they are 2nd or 3rd string? I'm sure that you agree.If the team carries three QB's and one is a rookie, he's usually the developmental guy and usualy 3rd string. Two years ago the Niners carried two "developmental" guys, wouldn't you say? Off the top of my head, NE carried Ryan Mallet as a third stringer in his rookie season. A few years ago San Deigo carried Charlie Whitehearst (who has graduated to 2nd string) as their developmental guy. I'm sure that there a lot of examples.
I agree that the team does have a reason to be making the decision that they do. And that saying the Niners are looking like a joke is an over reaction. A fan voicing frustration and going a bit over the top with it. I don't agree with that part of the assessment at all.
[ Edited by Rsrkshn on Oct 10, 2013 at 5:06 PM ]