Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
On a general note. What's puzzling is how the Niners plan for stocking the pipeline with developmental players. Isn't that what the draft is for? Especially the later rounds. Why even draft a position if there is no chance that you're going to keep a player no matter how much he shines or exceeds expectations? What exactly is the point? Draft other positons that have a chance of sticking.
Specifically, I refer to Morris, Gray and Daniels (there are probably others).
You talk about drafting guys and then bring up two players who were UDFA's. Seriously? Look, this team has talented roster, they won't be able to keep everyone, its simple as that. Gray has done nothing for Cleveland, hasn't even taken a snap, realistically he should be on a practice squad somewhere. Daniels also belongs on a practice squad, he's extremely raw, comes from a spread-based system, and with the 49ers moving away from a read option system, Daniels had no fit on this team, the last thing they need is to develop another guy with limited experience playing behind center. Skelton is a pure pocket QB that fits what Harbaugh is trying to do on offense and is already experienced with over 20 NFL starts under his belt.
Daniels someday MIGHT be a good player, or he might be a total bust and get released by Seattle like many of the other former 49ers they've signed.....*cough* Nate Davis *cough*, I just hope if that happens, you're honest enough to come back and say "whoops, looks like Baalke knew what he was doing after all." I'm not happy with the 49ers dumping Cooper either, but people are strongly overreacting over a quarter's worth of play against a team that is struggling in every facet of the game. Let's see how these guys are doing a year from now.
All this grinding of teeth, moaning and groaning reminds me when the 49ers let Nate Palmer and Chris Owusu go last offseason...where are those guys now? Owusu is on the practice squad for Tampa Bay and Nate Palmer is selling insurance now. In the end, the 49ers won't be able to keep everyone, this is a pretty loaded roster, they'll swing and miss on players, just like every other team, like every other GM in the NFL does, it happens, that is just reality.
6th and 7th rounders are crap shoots, the vast majority of them will be out of the NFL in under 2 years or less. It is just the reality of the situation, you take a chance on a guy and if it doesn't work, you cut your losses and keep moving on.
Well I commited a "typo". Obviously I meant Cooper and not Morris. Hopefully one would surmise that because, in fact, Morris is still with the Niners. By your later reference to Cooper, I think you understood who I meant.
That said who is the other UDFA among those I named? I was under the impression that both Gray and Daniels were drafted. But please correct me if I am mistaken. I was watching the Browns/Bills game and I recall Gray being in the game, so your statement re his not taking a snap is incorrect.
BTW who is "grinding their teeth" and "moaning"? I'm simply making an observation which I believe to be valid re the interrelationship between drafting someone and stocking the developmental pipeline. I'd appreciate your not putting the shoe on the other foot. You seem to have problems with opinions that don't conform to your own.
"Honest enough", "come back and say 'Whoops'"? What in the world are you going on about? Development players are by definition speculative undertakings. Not every one works out. But they are players deemed worthy of being given a chance to develop. Primarily because they haven't to date had the opportunity to show what "they got". Anyway, in the case of Daniels, both Baalke and Harbaugh plainly stated that Daniels was someone who they strongly felt belonged in that category and that they agonized over the decision to expose him to waivers. They wanted him back; he's the classic "developmental" player. My point has already been validated by the FO. Some teams hit the jackpot, many don't. Why is it that when someone posts a remark supportive of a rookie, there's always a know-it-all that brings up Nate Davis or *insert some other rookie who got cut here*. You probably would have said the same thing about Brady; he was only a 6th rounder after all, wasn't even a full-time starter at Michigan, another Nate Davis, etc.
One of the beat writers elaborated on the theme at the QB position rather obviously: Starter, experienced back-up, dvelopmental, raw 3rd stringer. I felt that Daniels fit the 3rd stringer role rather well. He might have a very high football IQ. Like Wilson, for example. He might not, but that's what the team needs to find out. On the other hand, Skelton, could very well be good. He fits more in the experienced 2nd stringer mold. Besides there is a pretty extensive book on him; moreso than on McCoy for example. So far his football IQ has not proved stellar. Perhaps he should be the second-stringer and it MIGHT turn out that way. He does have impressive size. But size isn't everything. Personally, despite better judgement, I am excited to see what he could potentially be for the NIners. But reallistically that's just the fan in me. He's bounced around so much and been released from every team he's signed with, the chances of him suddenly excelling aren't very high. But we'll see.
Anyway, you missed the point of my post, so I'm probably wasting time here.